Jallianwala 'deeply shameful' event in British history: Cameron

[Yusuf]

Re: Cameron will visit Jallianwala Bagh to express regret, won't apolo

Or may be having closure; his advisors might have suggested so.

Closure for whom? Even the sons and daughters of those killed may not be alive now.

The thing is that I understand that all this is a hogwash and related to business and nothin genuine. That is what pisses me off. He might as well not go there and express any regret or sham apology which is carefully worded.

 

[cloud_9]

Re: Cameron will visit Jallianwala Bagh to express regret, won't apolo

We have never demanded any apology from the Brits

 

[cloud_9]

Re: Cameron will visit Jallianwala Bagh to express regret, won't apolo

In 1997

 

[Blackwater]

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[panduranghari]

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At least he is a better PM of UK than MMS is a PM of India.

I found this on the internet about David Cameron.

David Cameron, the current British Prime Minister, is the great, great, great grandson of Elizabeth Fitzclarence (Jan 17, 1801 - Jan 16, 1856) who was an illegitimate daughter of William IV and his mistress Irish actress Dorothea Bland who was known by her stage name as 'Mrs Jordan'. They lived together for 20 years when he was Duke of Clarence and had 5 sons and 5 daughters. When he became heir to the throne William married Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen but they had no surviving children so when he died having no legitimate children his niece Victoria became Queen.
David Cameron is the 5th cousin, twice removed of Queen Elizabeth II, but illegitimate lines have no claim to the throne. The Royal Marriage act of 1772, instigated by William IV's father George III, requires members of the royal family to obtain permission from the monarch to marry. So William and Dorothea would have had to get permission from his brother George IV to marry and it would also have required ratification by Parliament. She was Catholic and would have had to renounce her Catholic faith for William to remain in the line of succession to the throne. In the very unlikely event that they had been allowed to marry and had done so before their children were born then their eldest son George Augustus would have had a claim to the throne. His great grandson Geoffrey Fitzclarence, 5th Earl of Munster, was a Conservative politician in Winston Churchill's government. David Cameron's line through their 3rd daughter Elizabeth would have had only a very remote claim.

 

[nrupatunga]

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Looking at the trip wherein how he is requesting partnership with us, the 3rd photo in the post #22 should be the opposite.

 

[nrj]

AMRITSAR: British PM David Cameron on Friday Described the 1919 Jallianwala Bagh massacre in Amritsar as "a deeply shameful event in British history", becoming the first serving prime minister to voice regret about one of the British Empire's episodes bloodiest in India. He, however , just fell short of an apology but made "‹"‹clear that he Considered the episode a stain on Britain's history that needed to be regretted by a democratically elected government of the UK.

"This was a deeply shameful event in British history - one that Winston Churchill rightly Described at that time as monstrous "the left-handed Cameron wrote in the visitor's notebook at the massacre site. His note further read: "We must never forget what happened here," underlining the word never twice. And in remembering we must ensure ' that the UK stands up for the right of peaceful protest around the world, "it said. The gesture came on the third and final day of his visit to India Aimed at drumming up trade and investment.

Just minutes before he wrote the telling remarks, he told a few journalists: "it was a terrible act." He thus laid a wreath on the memorial site and then gently walked towards the table where visitor's notebook kept what. His remarks are likely to be seen as to attempt to improve relations with India and around 1.5 million British to woo voters of Indian origin ahead of a 2015 election. Cameron's visit has been Largely focused on trade and investment so far.

Jallianwala Bagh massacre 'deeply shameful', says British PM Cameron - The Times of India

 

[W.G.Ewald]

This comment followed the article:

Among the soldiers under Brigadier Dyer's command who opened fire on the innocents were 25 Gurkhas of the 1st battalion 9th Gurkha Rifles, a battalion that continues to this day as part of the Indian Army. While the 1/9 GR has performed heroically in many battles in the first & second world wars and the wars with China and Pakistan, it was rather shameful that this battalion was not disbanded when India became independent. No amount of heroism can remove this blot of killing over 1000 innocent men, women and children from this battalion's history. In what way was 1/9 GR less than the infamous Nazi SS, of obeying orders that were patently inhuman? It certainly calls for a rethink.

 

[Dovah]

Their whole empire was a blot on human history.

 

[Das ka das]

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Gurkhas have almost always been loyal supporters of Mother England. Check out what they did in the First Indian War of Independence. Ironically, the Sikhs before this massacre were among the most enthusiastic supporters of England. I think the Parsis were also quite Anglophilic.

 

[pmaitra]

This comment followed the article:

Among the soldiers under Brigadier Dyer's command who opened fire on the innocents were 25 Gurkhas of the 1st battalion 9th Gurkha Rifles, a battalion that continues to this day as part of the Indian Army. While the 1/9 GR has performed heroically in many battles in the first & second world wars and the wars with China and Pakistan, it was rather shameful that this battalion was not disbanded when India became independent. No amount of heroism can remove this blot of killing over 1000 innocent men, women and children from this battalion's history. In what way was 1/9 GR less than the infamous Nazi SS, of obeying orders that were patently inhuman? It certainly calls for a rethink.

Both the Gurkha Regiment and Baloch Regiment were involved in the massacre.

 

[Blackwater]

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Just Watch Cameron news on paki Geo TV.

Bastard showing this news as if Cameron has apologised to pakistan

 

[pmaitra]

Threads merged.

 

[hello_10]

Independence is the biggest gift of your elders

when a foreign country 'successfully' establish its 'Rule' on a nation, it has right on the every asset of that country. since then, whoever makes noise against the 'rule', is deserved to be killed by its 'rulers/government' too. and when people fight for their nation, they do know that a nation is made only when we may defend it. otherwise the foreign government, even if it was 'democratic' Britain, will be allowed to do anything in that certain country like India, whether Koh-i-noor or whatever they could get from India, in behalf of the 'voters' who voted for that certain British 'Democratic' Government, hence to fulfill the 'common interests' of the 'voters' of Britain of early 20th century this way

I mean to say, even if women were kidnapped to serve the 'rulers' during that period, the rulers had right to do so in the country they "Rule" :agree:. even if they had to kill 1000s of women and kids in Jaliawalla Bagh as there were too many meetings in that same park by the local public with the demands of British pull out from India, as they didn't want to pay tax to that government which doesn't use money to serve the common Indian Public that time. but in that certain case also, it was in 'national' interest of British 'Democratic' Government of 1919 to create enough threat among the common people to make them understand that the tax they pay, in fact, was being used for WW1, WW2 that time, which was meant to serve purpose of "Rule" of British in India itself. and anything against 'The Rule' is 'anti national' for the "ruling government" and this way they had right to shoot down the traitors, anyone against the Rule. Mr Cameron is right to show his shame for the deaths of thousands of unarmed women and kids, but he knows that "apologizing" means for in fact apologizing for the British Rule in 1919, in fact, which he didn't want to accept. he may hardly show shame for the death of unarmed people, but he can't 'apologize' for the British Rule as whole, as its true that those unarmed people were involved in doing meetings against that time British Rule

did you people watched 'Troy' movie????? once the foreigners entered inside that country through that wooden horse, they killed everyone who opposed the Rule, removing all those who resisted the efforts until the Rule is properly established. thats how the things happen, once you lose control from the border you can't defend........ over a million died in Stalingrad War of Russia just to defend itself from Nazi-German that time, i remember. a nation is made by sacrifice, and Independence is the biggest gift of your elders :thumb:

 

[MAYURA]

Gurkhas have almost always been loyal supporters of Mother England. Check out what they did in the First Indian War of Independence. Ironically, the Sikhs before this massacre were among the most enthusiastic supporters of England. I think the Parsis were also quite Anglophilic.

this is a thing lost upon most of indians.

the most of minorities were supporters of british even the muslims who since 1927 aided the brits at every step.

they have nothing to show except a traitor in disguise Maulana Azad.

the reason why brits and americans are so supportive of muslims and sikhs is their long historical services.

and you are quite wrong in saying that sikhs were loyal only till 1914. the akali brand of sikhs were loyals everytime the brits showed their willingness.

 

[roma]

as the economy of india improves, as WE do OUR part to clean up and improve OUR OWN SYSTEM , our economy will be the best in the world or perhaps second and "they" will be tripping over each other to be the first to apologise .............. ! - the ball is pretty much in our court and that's positive - we CAN do something ( in fact a LOT ) about the situation

meanwhile we can be fair -minded taking into consideration as member natarajan said brits were better than the arab invaders and today indians are participating in the uk on a permanent basis - as member member yusuf said .

 

[roma]

Re: Cameron will visit Jallianwala Bagh to express regret, won't apolo

Has India ever officially demanded apology from UK ?

i / We do not want an "apology" - i will tell them to save the apology and instead if you are sincere , return the stolen or misappropriated jewelry, Crown jewels and other valuables

- we want a proper accountability and return of all stolen property including of course, So-called Crown Jewels, Koh-i-Noor , etc etc other jewelry we may not even be aware of , a proper list and account of all stolen , misappropriated items and their return

- and compensation to the families of the tortured

 

[dhananjay1]

He was probably looking for some British Indian votes. Even at the time Brits thought the massacre was unnecessary and damaging to British rule because it involved killing of many upper and middle class Punjabis and Punjabis formed a big part of British Indian army.