Jairam Ramesh : No use launching missiles if there are no toilets

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    No use launching Agni missiles if there are no toilets: Jairam Ramesh


    Launching green toilets very close to country's missile test-firing facility, Rural Development Minister Jairam Ramesh on Sunday said there is no use blasting Agni missiles if the sanitation problem is not solved.

    Ramesh, who recently said he spends 18 hours speaking on toilets daily, stressed that one of the biggest challenges before the government is to ensure that all people get toilets.

    "It is more important than the launch of Agni missiles. If there are no toilets then Agni is of no use," he said, suggesting that the eco-toilets can be named ‘Bapu’ as a tribute to Mahatma Gandhi, who had led cleanliness drive in the country.

    "Biotoilets can do to rural sanitation what Agni has done to external defence of the country," Ramesh said after launching eco-toilets using Bio-Digester technology of DRDO, the defence agency for missile development.

    Dhamra town in Odisha is about 15 km from Wheeler Island from where the Agni-V ICBM with a range of 5,000 km was successfully test-fired a couple of months ago.



    Ramesh said an amount equal to what is spent on security should be allocated for public welfare activities. "The budget of rural development department is Rs 99,000 crore while we spent double the amount on defence with a budget of Rs 193,000 crore,” he said.

    Maintaining that he did not want any decrease in the budget of the Defence Ministry, he said it should be ensured that an equal amount be spent for public welfare.

    "There is no difference of opinion on this with me and the DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation). Even they want this," he said.

    Aiming at discouraging open defecation and improving sanitation conditions, bio-toilets are based on DRDO's Bio-Digester technology. It has been developed by its Defence Research and Development Establishment (DRDE), Gwalior and Defence Research Laboratory (DRL), Tezpur.

    Bio-Digester technology was used to decompose biological waste generated by soldiers deployed in high altitude regions like Siachen and Ladakh, they said.


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    " Agar 120 crore Indians Pak ki sarhad pe mutenge to Pak urine ki flood me hi dub jayega...." So, there's no need of missiles, if there're no toilets...
     
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    Typical congi socialist....
     
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    Mr Minister When our enemies fire missiles at us we will HIDE in toilets
    since according to you we should not have any missiles to fire back at our enemies

    Or else we can throw toilets at our enemies
     
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    Right and what has the govt of India been doing for 65 years then ? Why after 65 years of independence 50% + people defecate in the fields , roadsides, railway tracks and generally in full public view.
     
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    Jairam Ramesh: "No use launching missiles if there are no toilets"

    I agree with the entire sentence. I would not, however, agree with a sentence, "No use launching missiles."

    Now, those that disagree with Mr. Ramesh do have a point. Perhaps we should keep launching missiles and deter a Pakistani invasion, so that people can continue to defaecate on the railway tracks and fields with complete peace of mind.
     
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    Jairam would have been better off saying, no point eating and drinking if no toilets!
     
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    The irony is so apparent that it would be laughable if not so tragic. The ruling dispensation that Mr Ramesh belongs to has been largely in charge of (mis)governance and (mal)administration, when the programmes were launched for missile development and for providing basic civic amenities. How is it that they have succeeded in the one of "nos use", while failed abysmally in the other.

    What next?

    No research institutes since many people are uneducated and have no toilets?
     
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    Is this a coincidence, or has Mr. Jayram Ramesh paid a visit to this thread referred to below?

    The words 'DRDO' and 'toilet' have occured together and have sparked off quite a lively debate here at DFI.

    Do have a look!


     
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    I would look at it from the perspective of an AND gate, not an OR gate.

    We have to keep launching missiles whether we have toilets or no toilets, but what is the use of all that if we cannot build toilets? Indeed, someone has to answer this question. The Pakistanesque refrain "we will eat grass if we have to, but will pursue nukes," best suits Pakistanis. As an Indian, I am not particularly thrilled with saying something on similar lines - "we will shit on the fields and railway tracks if we have to, but we will continue to launch missiles."
     
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    Indians or Indian govt have never said that we WILL eat grass

    Providing food for all is a necessity

    But providing toilets to all POOR people in rural and urban India is NOT possible

    Let the poor also make some of their own efforts to improve their own lives

    Otherwise if poor people are kept on providing freebies the POPULATION will cross 2 billion soon
     
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    My point exactly. Which is why I find it highly ironic that a key member of the department that failed to provide us with toilets in the first place is moaning about the fact that another unit in the same organisation has been successful in achieving the aims and ambitions it set itself for.

    It is like lamenting that what use is a student acing his exams (and getting into competitive institutes) when there are students who repeatedly fail the same class year after year.
     
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    I don't recall claiming the Indian government saying that we WILL eat grass. What is your point?

    Should people continue to defaecate on the railway tracks? If you are okay with that, then do let us know. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

    Providing toilets for all POOR is not possible, is it? How about making a beginning by picking villages close to railway tracks and providing them with community toilets? Surely, the government can quit subsidizing the railway fares, and divert part of the revenue towards building toilets in the vicinity of railway tracks? It would still be a populist move, and cannot be termed anti-POOR, and at the same time, reduce corrosion of the railway tracks, requiring less frequent replacement, and thus save operational costs.

    When there is will, there is a way.

    "NOT possible" is an escapist excuse.
     
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    Valid point, and I agree.

    Please see my last post.

    The environment ministry can always find genius ways to generate revenue. How about starting to fine people for public nuisance, indecent exposure, and for defaecating on railway tracks, trespassing? Let those revenues be used for building toilets. Even if it solves a small portion of the bigger problem, it is a step in the right direction.
     
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    I hate it when people mix defence issues with social issues.

    If our arses are fried by our enemies, we won't need any toilets either.
     
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    Yes. that would be the way to go. I would have liked to see the minister reflect upon, why despite 65 years of independence, numerous government schemes, enormous resource allocation and far less technical and logistical challenges- the ministry (and ministers) of Rural development has failed to provide reasonable sanitary facilities within reach of every rural dwelling?

    He should have spoken about how he plans to rectify things, his roadmap to put every Indian within the reach of a public toilet by a specific date (say 2020), his attempts to bring dignity and convenience to rural folk across the length and breadth of this country, who face the ignominy and risks of defecating in the open.

    Instead he goes on lamenting that how unfair it is that an organisation with a far smaller budget, comparatively fewer resources and facing infinitely more formidable challenges was able to succeed while his department remained moribund, inept and corrupt. The minister seems to be implying, since my ministry has been an abject failure it is only fair that the others be failures too and if not then their achievements are of no use, because I and my predecessors have been abject failures in our task.

    Like I said, it would have been laughable if not so infuriating and tragic at the same time.
     
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    And that is what we need. Solution providers, no whiners.
     
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    He will soon be named Toilet Minister :D
     
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It was an hopeless statement from Ramesh.They better keep criticizing of their own mistakes.Instead of blabbering here and there, do something for country.
 I think Ramesh should visit Planning Commission's newly made toilets.
     

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