J-11BS vs Su-30MKI

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  1. indochina

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    J-11BS is known as the twin seater version of J-11B.

    This is a multi-generation version 4.5 using more local components, including radar, engines and missiles. Aircraft based on Su-27SK/J-11 framework, but with the following modifications:

    - Using more composite materials to reduce weight and increase the life of the aircraft.

    - A multi-function fire control radar capable of tracking domestic 6-8 targets and combat simultaneously with 4 goals, the maximum range of the radar is 350 km.

    - A digital flight control system interior.

    - A systematic search of electronic and optical tracking OEPS-27 made ​​in the form of Russia.

    - An inertial navigation system INS / GPS.

    - A cockpit features four multi-function color display (MFD) and a wide-angle laser image display (HUD).

    - Missile approach warning system.

    - Radar AESA, WS-10A engine

    The aircraft can carry short-range missile infrared led by China-made medium-range missile PL-8 and PL-12 positive self-serving war. While current Chinese Air Force combat capability with two goals combination Su-27/-30 and missile R-77 (AA-12 Adder), the integrated PL-12 success on J -11B will create the ability to combat many goals. J-11B is also expected to enhance the ability to strike the ground with the arms manufacturing precision bombing as LT-2 laser-guided bombs, dropping bombs guided precision LS-6, anti-radiation missile YJ-91, air-to-surface missile and KD-88.

    Specs J-11BS

    Crew: 2

    Length: 21.9 m

    Wingspan: 14.70 m

    Height: 5.92 m

    Unladen weight: 16,870 kg

    Takeoff weight: 23,140 kg

    Maximum takeoff weight: 33,000 kg
    Engine: 2 × Lyulka AL-31 F or Woshan WS-10A
    Maximum speed: Mach 2.35 (2,500 km / h, 1,600 mph)

    Range: 3720 km
    Combat radius: 2000 km
    Service ceiling: 19,000 m
    Wing loading: 371.0 kg / m²

    Weapons:
    Guns: 1 × 30 mm (1.18 in) GSh-30-1
    Missiles (PL-12, PL-9, PL-8, Vympel R-27,
    Vympel R-73), Rocket, Bomb

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    Maybe I do not need to say much about the Su-30MKI ! :cool2:

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/1363-su-30-mki.html

    Its strengths (J-11BS) compared to the Su-30MKI is the material is made of composites, should be lighter than the Su-30MKI and the angle of attack will probably large or mobility level will be raised, It is enough to compensate for the lack of 3D TVC or Canard, RCS smaller than the Su-30MKI as the Canard wing design.Engine 3D TVC (Su-30MKI) the only work effectively in Dogfight.

    Related to the radar of the two, India has now replaced most with AESA radar for the Su-30MKI, but it has the paint below the target detection range with PESA N011M Bars (300-400 km) I read somewhere that said AESA radar on J10B has a detection range of 200 km. However, if the information is correct, said that India replaced by Irbis-E radar on the Su-30MKI, which would be the advantage for India.

    We all know the winner of BVR will account for 90% of winning in the sky for today, so one has ever seen before shoot and kill the enemy before the most important, I think J-11BS with the supportKJ-2000 will be at the rate of 50/50.

    AESA radar frequency changes continuously, so RWR will not be able to detect, in addition to Su-30MKI can also advertise the operational independence not need to AEW, they make it as a mini-AWACS.

    Depending on the scanning angle of the radar and its scanning range.PL-10 missiles and R-77 probably will be at the rate of 50/50 for the 100km range (China also has R-77). The same rumors AESA radar (China anonymous) for J-10B and J-11B has a detection range of 200 km and scan angle of 60 degrees, AESA radar of India? I do not know much because is relatively little information.

    Also J-11BS has the advantage of being equipped with a maws (acting as a rear-facing radar), for melee / Dogfight some rumors that they develop a system flying hat (or helmet mounted displaysystem) allows the control of shooting, melee for with missiles IR seeker PL-8 (copy Python 3).

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    welcome, please introduce yourself in member corner first. that's DFI culture,
     
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    how about Su-30 MKV
     
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    J-11BS bold feature

    *AESA
    *Better thrust engines(ws-10B=132KN)
    *Composites
    *way too advance avionics when compared with last century MKI
    *More in numbers

    etc
     
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    Daredevil On Vacation! Administrator

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    Why are Junk fighters being compared to Originals like Su-30MKI. It will take a decade for China to catch up to that level.
     
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    both junk, until you get super su30. it doest not matter if you listen wisely, but please knowledgeably speak
     
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    I think the rate for J-11BS 50/50 for BVR, we can not rely on unofficial and rumored to say that it is better than the Su-30MKI (the combination of Russian Jews and France).

    China's engine has very poor life
     
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    Even the current Su-30MKI with its PESA BARS radar is superior to any other aircraft in the Asia when it comes to air dominance. No two ways about it.

    J-10BS has engines which are unproven given the fact that till today Chinese are buying engines from Russia. More engine deals are made with Russia by China.

    Super Su30 will only make Su-30MKI more lethal than it already is. None of J-10s which are itself copies of Russian fighters are no where near to touch Su-30MKI. Its like comparing Cherry Car to Audi car.
     
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    It is so humiliating to compare MKI with this Chinese junk J-11. Please lock this thread
     
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    Super Su30 fixed a lot shit in su-30MKI so Russia start to use them and even biggest copycat does not deny they are good.
    Nothing special Su30MKI has done except crash few per year but still far from lethal.
    show me they can carry your dangrous Brahmos which supposed to be super Su30's jobs.
    Chinese only worry about Brahmos as you have known.
     
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    lock the thread only while copycat try to compare J-8 to your Super 30 or compare whose mouths/eyes are bigger between Indian and Chinese.
     
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    This time your joke is boring.

    Thread started by Chinese fan boy with only one post on A vs B should be locked.
     
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    sorry, Vietnamese say their are better.
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    know why the new comer post his first post on this topic?
     
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    He is not Chinese, and he has C.
     
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    Super Su30 doesn't fix anything but it upgrades the capabilities of Su-30MKI. Ever heard MLUs (mid-life upgrades)?. It will have AESA, better avionics and better weapons systems like long-range stand-off missile as well as Brahmos. Since Brahmos is heavy (2.5 tonne), it needs special hardening of the hard points on the air craft.

    Now please don't compare Su30MKI to the J-10 junk.

    You can compare your J-10BS :)pound: at BS) to Su-30MKI when it can do these maneuvers

    Su 30 Extreme Maneuvers "Super Cobra" - YouTube
     
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    correct, you remind me, the new comer try to let us compare everything with true data and he get everything he want.
    thread closed.
     
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    in terms of the tech levels of the 2 the only thing mki may be better is the engine........

    in terms of the manufacturing tech.....all the russia made weapons for export can be very problemetic...........they only make good stuff for their own........
     
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    Oh, I'm so embarrassed that it was a propaganda
     
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    mate please cut the crap will, ya:panda::bs:!you are comparing THE best air dominance fighter in Asia with a cheap illegal reverse engineered version:hippo:!you guys can't even build a proper PESA radar neither can you build a reliable engine(don't start babbling about those junk WS-series cr*p:finger:) and you are dreaming of making a better combat aircraft than the famous Russkies who are second only to the Yankees when it comes to aircraft manufacturing:facepalm:.Period!
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Not really... Russia has better engine, avionic, composite and radar tech than China.
     
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