J-10 crashed in Hunan province, pilot died

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One Chinese J-10 Fighter Crashed in August, its Pilot awarded merit


August 27 (China Defense Mashup Reporting by Johnathan Weng) — On August 25, the PLA Air Force awarded pilot Meng Fansheng the first-class merit for his successful disposing the air crisis of J-10 fighter.

On the eve of the Army Day which fell on August 1, Meng Fansheng, first-class pilot of the PLA Air Force, successfully parachuted under the situation of the abrupt loss of the engine power when he piloted his J-10 fighter to take off to the height of 680 m from the ground in the flight training.

PLA Air Force's investigation showed that the AL-31F engine malfunction cause this accident and Meng Fansheng attempted to resume the power for several times, and manipulated his J-10 fighter to avoid the populous areas twice in the handling of the serious special situation.

J-10 is Chinese first indigenous third-generation fighter but its power is AL-31F Turbofan engine imported from Russia. China has developed "Taihang" Turbofan engine but its quality is not stable and cannot be used in J-10 single engine fighter yet.


Chinese are crashing with AL-31 and Taihang another name for WS-10 has been ruled out for J-10 ;a limited amount of AL-31 given to China by Russia . What engine will go in Pakistan's version? (my guess WS-10 no matter how it performs?).
 

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Chinese are crashing with AL-31 and Taihang another name for WS-10 has been ruled out for J-10 ;a limited amount of AL-31 given to China by Russia . What engine will go in Pakistan's version? (my guess WS-10 no matter how it performs?).
I was wondering the same thing in some earlier posts.

PAF will be compromising a lot if FC10 comes with WS10. Maybe then we can also see PAF suppressing J10 crash incidents.

PRC will suffer a blow in the export market when such crash news comes in light.

If PAF want a healthy 4th Gen fighter, its in search lies into West only.
 

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CCP is not fond of denying such an unimportant untrue report.

And it is funny that so many Indian members here expressed their condolence before this news is confirmed. Isn't it too obvious? You can save that after more informaton is revealed, i believe that would be more appropriate.
It doesn't matter what CCP says. They denied the 2007 crash and there are photos proving it happened. When a report comes out of China it crashed, it most likely did.
 

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It doesn't matter what CCP says. They denied the 2007 crash and there are photos proving it happened. When a report comes out of China it crashed, it most likely did.
Since when can you read Japanese? Do you know what kind of report that is?
And what kind of person believe report like that?
 

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J-10 crashes ,pilot dead

PLAAF Div 9 lost another J10 due to engine failure near Dao County, Hunan Province on April 22nd. Division commander Sr. Col. Xie Fengliang died during the crash
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J-10 crashes ,pilot dead

BY :CHINESE DEFENSE FORUM / PICTURE CHINESE MEDIA




PLAAF Div 9 lost another J10 due to engine failure near Dao County, Hunan Province on April 22nd. Division commander Sr. Col. Xie Fengliang died during the crash.


http://idrw.org/?p=1477#more-1477
 

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Rest In Peace! May his family get the strength to overcome this sad happening!
 

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China tries to hide J-10 fighter crashes

[video=dailymotion;xcz8o7]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcz8o7_yyyyyyyyyyy-yyyyyyj-10_news?start=5[/video]

10 May 2010 : On April 13, in the port city of Tianjin about 130- KM away from Beijing, China showed off its 4th Generation J-10 aircraft to military attaches of about 50 countries it could possibly export to. 9 days later as per Strategy page reports it was running to cover up the 2nd crash of the J-10 fighter that became public in the last two years.

The 22 April crash became public because a senior colonel had died in the crash and the funeral became too big to keep the story hushed. The news report also claims that the design of the 200-odd J-10s produced has not worked out as desired by its developers.

The crash and doubts over its design also comes as a set back to Pakistan, which was hoping to buy 36 J-10 in a deal worth US$1.4 billion has also been concluded reports China's English Peoples Daily. In the past it has exported fighter aircraft to Iran, Myanmar, Bangladesh and Pakistan. However, the pitfalls of reverse engineering without paying royalty and truly understanding the technology are high accident rates, a fact that China has hushed up with its lack of media freedom.

The first flight of the J-10 begun took place in 1998. It is the most advanced 4th Generation aircraft to be built by China. However, Fighter-Planes.com reports the development of J-10 has proven to be torturous. The prototype was rumoured to have first flown in 1996, but the project suffered a serious setback in late 1997 when the 02 prototype lost control and crashed, as the result of certain system failure, presumably with either the FBW system or the engine.

If the reports pertaining to the faulty design of the fourth generation fighter are serious enough, it will put the Chinese plans to replace the obsolete J-7 fighter and Q-5 attack aircraft in a limbo. With 2,000 combat aircraft China has the 3rd largest air force in the world.

http://www.8ak.in/
 

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^^ I don't think 5 crashes during 12 years of flight is a horrible track record at all. Indian sensationalism at its best...
 

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^^ I don't think 5 crashes during 12 years of flight is a horrible track record at all. Indian sensationalism at its best...
I really don't see any sensationalism in the news it is just trying to point out towards the crashes is it something wrong with that?
 

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what are the no of flying hours the chinese pilots have that gives us an idea about the crashes
 

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I really don't see any sensationalism in the news it is just trying to point out towards the crashes is it something wrong with that?
Lets see, "high accident rate", "tortuous development", "faulty design", and a setback to Pakistan over this record. Sounds sensational to me with only 5 crashes in 12 years. It isn't like Chinese fighterpilots don't get 100+ hours a year. It isn't NATO hours, but they do fly enough to stay proficient. I bet J-10 pilots fly more than that considering these are their newest planes.
 

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Lets see, "high accident rate", "tortuous development", "faulty design", and a setback to Pakistan over this record. Sounds sensational to me with only 5 crashes in 12 years. It isn't like Chinese fighterpilots don't get 100+ hours a year. It isn't NATO hours, but they do fly enough to stay proficient. I bet J-10 pilots fly more than that considering these are their newest planes.
As these are the newest planes so 5 crashes is a significant number, if it is normal then what is the purpose behind hiding the news at all?
 

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One Chinese J-10 Fighter Crashed in August, its Pilot awarded merit


August 27 (China Defense Mashup Reporting by Johnathan Weng) — On August 25, the PLA Air Force awarded pilot Meng Fansheng the first-class merit for his successful disposing the air crisis of J-10 fighter.

On the eve of the Army Day which fell on August 1, Meng Fansheng, first-class pilot of the PLA Air Force, successfully parachuted under the situation of the abrupt loss of the engine power when he piloted his J-10 fighter to take off to the height of 680 m from the ground in the flight training.

PLA Air Force's investigation showed that the AL-31F engine malfunction cause this accident and Meng Fansheng attempted to resume the power for several times, and manipulated his J-10 fighter to avoid the populous areas twice in the handling of the serious special situation.

J-10 is Chinese first indigenous third-generation fighter but its power is AL-31F Turbofan engine imported from Russia. China has developed "Taihang" Turbofan engine but its quality is not stable and cannot be used in J-10 single engine fighter yet.


Chinese are crashing with AL-31 and Taihang another name for WS-10 has been ruled out for J-10 ;a limited amount of AL-31 given to China by Russia . What engine will go in Pakistan's version? (my guess WS-10 no matter how it performs?).
any of the best engines can malfunction, there ain't anything surprising in it

WS-10 is a horror story uptill now

WS-10


the most obvious & good option for PAF will be AL-31 & Russians might allow it just like RD-93
 
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As these are the newest planes so 5 crashes is a significant number, if it is normal then what is the purpose behind hiding the news at all?
Only three of the crashes were operational, 2 were in testing and development, 1 of which was the ill fated decision to install the WS-10. The purpose is the same as all Chinese propaganda, to make them look better than they are. China wouldn't be making them by the hundreds if it wasn't operationally sound. You can tell which programmes of theirs are flops or not, the ones that don't get beyond an initial sampling.
 
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any of the best engines can malfunction, there ain't anything surprising in it

WS-10 is a horror story uptill now

WS-10


the most obvious & good option for PAF will be AL-31 & Russians might allow it just like RD-93
These pictures are from Nov 2008 and not much has changed with engine except the higher number WS-13 .Russians are only selling a limited quantity of AL-31's and chinese want them for themselves. Chinese are going to have to develop an engine if they want to export planes and they are sticking with their flop for the last 3 decades WS-10 as the engine to go into the exported planes.The Chinese are going to use Rd-93 in FC-1 after the WS-13 flopped so the question of what engine Pak will get still remains??
 
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any of the best engines can malfunction, there ain't anything surprising in it

WS-10 is a horror story uptill now
What do you mean uptill now? WS-10 still isn't a production engine. Field of engineless J-11Bs to prove it.

 

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Only three of the crashes were operational, 2 were in testing and development, 1 of which was the ill fated decision to install the WS-10. The purpose is the same as all Chinese propaganda, to make them look better than they are. China wouldn't be making them by the hundreds if it wasn't operationally sound. You can tell which programmes of theirs are flops or not, the ones that don't get beyond an initial sampling.
Well propaganda can also be seen in terms of making the numbers so everything looks hunky dory. They chosen the Su 27 but wanted to make copy of it hence no further orders given for them. So only option left to them is J 10 or J 11
 

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