Its official, US gives up on challenging China's ADIZ

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  1. G90

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    US Advises Airlines to Comply with China Air Defense Zone

    The United States advised U.S. carriers to comply with China's demand that it be told of any flights passing through its new maritime air defense zone over the East China Sea, an area where Beijing said it launched two fighter planes to investigate a dozen American and Japanese reconnaissance and military flights.:rofl:

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    US Advises Carriers to Comply with China Air Zone
     
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    Not a bad thing to do since the Chinese are unpredictable and have no value for human lives.

    But is this advisory also applicable to military overflights of this self declared ADIZ?
     
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    :rofl: I am very amused to read this piece of news, especially the part that the news is now in a SEA of chantings from US-owned house monkeys all these days, so ironic :rofl:
     
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    China will be satisfied to intimidate whomever it can. The Chinese mind is like a child's.
     
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    It is time to create the international commercial and naval density in the SCS and ECS as thick as that of The Grand Banks of Newfoundland before China declares these areas as Sea Defence Identification Zone!

    After all China is claiming all waters up to the Philippines and wherever the eye goes!
     
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    But the real simians reside between the boundaries of the Imperial Han Dynasties!

    Your delight will be short lived since the military planes would not comply.

    In the Free World, one cares about human lives unlike the Hans who are famed for their cruelty and lack of human rights.

    Remember Wu Han ( 吴汉)?

    Remember qwhen Chengdu had surrendered after Gongsun died from battle wounds during Eastern Han forces' siege of Chengdu?

    What didWu Han do?

    Two days after Chengdu had submitted, Wu suddenly ordered that the Gongsun and Yan (the clan of Gongsun's general Yan Cen (延岑)) clans be slaughtered to the last child and his soldiers raped and pillaged.

    Remember Dong Zhou (东周)?

    He killed all the eunuchs and burned Luoyang to the ground.

    That is Han psyche for you!

    With such type of people, what should sane men do?
     
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    on the other hand our pm reducing defence spending
     
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    No prizes for guessing which party the cartoonist belongs to
     
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    hmm... it's official eh! So all that CCP wanted was passenger airlines to inform them when they flew through ADIZ. And all those "defensive measures" that were promised were against passenger airlines! :facepalm: Nice and fun guys these people! It should keep the Chinese public happy as well! As atleast somebody informs them before they enter the ADIZ!

    US forces operating 'normally' in Chinese air zone: Reports - The Economic Times

    Even after all this, if the Indian government doesn't think it needs to spend all its energy building strong defense ties with Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Indonesia and the rest of SE Asia, the next such escalation will be closer home and it need not always end in our terms.
     
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    And you can be sure the cartoon appeared in no major US newspaper. Until very recently the "mainstream media" has not breathed a word of criticism against The Won.

    Although many Americans are frustrated by the apparent timidity of US foreign policy under this administration, as many Indians on DFI are by that of the Indian government today.
     
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    Source in China give out more background about US's decision here:

    It looks like there was some serious electric warfare within the disputed zone in China's ADIZ, between China and the US.:cool2:

    And most likely the US get pwned by Chinese electric warfare department, and thats why they caved in.

    The source claimed last day, half of the disputed zone were electrically denied by Chinese airforce and the rest half are electrically distubed as well.

    During yesterday's TV interview, a senior PLA officer, Du Wenlong, said that yesterday, which is the day before US advised their civil airlines to follow China's rule in ADIZ, is a memorable day, but he refused to give out more details about his comments.:cool2:

    Lets stay tunned and wait and see whats going on in the coming days, and whether multiple sources can confirm the same things.

    Anyway, it is hard to imagine the US suddenly caves in without a proper reason, and it is also hard to imagine China's leadership would annouce ADIZ without fully prepare to handle the conseqence, so be patient, and lets wait and see what are the true reasons for the US's 180 degree turn.:cool2:
     
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    U.S. Said Making Daily Flights Into China’s Air Zone

    The U.S. military is conducting daily flights through China’s newly declared air-defense zone without notifying Beijing authorities in advance, a U.S. defense official said today.

    The disclosure indicates that U.S. flight activity in the area, where China has unilaterally sought to exert control, is more extensive than was previously known. The Pentagon had acknowledged a flight by two unarmed B-52 bombers through the air zone earlier this week.

    The defense official, who asked not to be named discussing military operations, wouldn’t specify the type of aircraft used in subsequent flights nor say whether any of them are armed.

    “It’s very important the U.S. signal to the Chinese that we’re not going to be bullied and that we’re going to adhere to our commitments,” which include a defense treaty with Japan, said Nicholas Burns, a former U.S. undersecretary of state for political affairs from 2005 to 2008.

    China for a second day today sent fighter planes into the air zone over an area that includes islands claimed by both China and Japan. The situation “certainly holds the real potential for a crisis,” said Dean Cheng, a senior research fellow at the Asian Studies Center of the Heritage Foundation in Washington.

    China’s assertion and the subsequent flights have increased tensions which U.S. Vice President Joe Biden will seek to defuse when he visits Japan, China and South Korea next week. Biden will convey U.S. concerns about China’s air zone and seek clarification from Chinese leaders on their intentions, according to an administration official who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity because the talks will be private.

    ‘Provocative’ Behavior

    China’s “provocative” behavior toward its neighbors in the region “now becomes a very prominent issue for the visit,” said Burns, who is now a professor of international relations at Harvard University’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

    Biden is “well-positioned to play a calming role hopefully to defuse this crisis, in a way that is supportive of our primary friend, the government of Japan,” Burns said in an interview.

    China announced the air-defense identification zone effective Nov. 23 and said its military will take “defensive emergency measures” if aircraft enter the area without reporting flight plans or otherwise identifying themselves.

    Japan, which denounced the move, told its airlines to stop providing flight plans to China. Japan and South Korea also have flown military aircraft through the air zone in recent days, testing China’s resolve to control a swath of the East China Sea that is central to a territorial dispute.

    ‘Destabilizing Attempt’

    Japan and China both claim sovereignty over islands known as Diaoyu in Chinese and Senkaku in Japanese. The surrounding waters are rich in oil, natural gas and fish.

    Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has called China’s air zone “a destabilizing attempt to alter the status quo in the region” and warned that it “increases the risk of misunderstanding and miscalculations.”

    Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, wrote a Twitter posting warning of the “real chance” of a military incident involving China, Japan and others over the air zone. Haass, a former State Department official, said the “challenge will be to manage” the situation and avoid an escalation.

    While the U.S. is probably responding correctly, the military flights pose the danger of a conflict, most likely by accident if warning shots are fired that could be misinterpreted, Cheng said in an interview.

    ‘Powder Keg’

    “It is a multilateral powder keg,” he said. “You’re talking about something that will inevitably spill over to broader diplomatic relations and economic relations.”

    The U.S. defense official said the Pentagon’s flights through China’s air zone are consistent with U.S. freedom-of-navigation policies that are applied to many areas of operation around the world.

    Chinese planes were deployed in the zone off the country’s eastern coast and identified Japanese aircraft in the area, China’s Defense Ministry said in a statement on its website. Yesterday, Chinese planes entered the area on normal patrols, the official Xinhua News Agency said.

    The Chinese Defense Ministry statement also said its planes identified U.S. aircraft, without specifying whether they entered the air-defense zone.

    Japanese Flights

    Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said today he would respond to China’s air zone in a “calm, assured manner.” Japan and the U.S. plan to step up air surveillance in the East China Sea, with Japan stationing E-2C airborne early-warning aircraft at the Naha base in the Okinawa region and expanding the use of unmanned Global Hawk aircraft, the Yomiuri newspaper reported today, without citing a source.

    South Korea is considering expanding its own air-defense zone in response to China’s move, Wee Yong Sub, spokesman for the Defense Ministry said today in Seoul.

    “This is one of the most serious challenges ever posed by China to freedom of movement both on the sea and in the sky and will affect very seriously the forward deployment of the United States,” Tomohiko Taniguchi, an adviser to Japan’s Abe, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television.

    Japan’s major airlines, including ANA Holdings Inc. and Japan Airlines Co., have been flying through the zone without coordinating with China, all without incident.

    U.S. airlines “are being advised to take all steps they consider necessary to operate safely in the East China Sea region,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Nov. 27.

    Hagel called Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera on Nov. 27 to assure the U.S. ally of support and its commitment to continued military operations in the region.

    Hagel commended Japan “for exercising appropriate restraint” and he “pledged to consult closely with Japan on efforts to avoid unintended incidents,” according to a Pentagon statement.

    To contact the reporter on this story: David Lerman in Washington at [email protected]

    U.S. Said Making Daily Flights Into China’s Air Zone - Bloomberg

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    As I said earlier, there was nothing for the Chinese to exult about the US advisory to its civil airlines.

    Given the irrationality & erratic behaviour that the Chinese are famed to exhibit, it was natural that none would like to put the civilians in harm's way.

    As I said, the proof of the pudding is stopping/ controlling foreign MILITARY AIRCRAFT.

    Apparently, the US has told China to take a running jump into the East China Sea.

    Now, that is what I would call OFFICIAL.
     
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    This does indicate that the Chinese Govt is doing well to keep the morale suitably cool.

    Funny that you feel the US caved in.

    They are making China eat crow by flying daily what is what the ADIZ is all about - stop foreign military aircraft making merry in what the Chinese call their ADIZ,
     
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    Sir, with all due respect, @G90 appears to be an illiterate. He doesn't even know how to read, let alone understand simple English.

    This is what US State Dept said...
    BBC News - US carriers urged to comply with China air zone rules

    G90 is just jumping up and down like a monkey which got a banana not knowing that there is a sleeping pill embedded in it.

    Also for G90, the US govt did not ask it's airlines to comply with Chinese ADIZ but instead said that they generally follow NOTAMs. Likewise, they will continue.
     
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    US caved in ??????!!!!!!!!!!!????????? This is the second highlight joke of the chinese year ....ha ha ha.
     
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    Far from caving in, the US followed Pat Boone

     
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