It is a Crime to be a Christian in Pakistan

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  1. Peaceworldwide

    Peaceworldwide Regular Member

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    In Pakistan being Christian is a crime. If they raise voice for their rights or someone speak in their favor, their corpses will be on the road. I ask Prime Minister of Pakistan Mr. Nawaz Sharif, what will you say about Minorities in United Nations General Assembly? Are minorities living according to the charter of UN in Pakistan? That is why whoever gets a chance is fleeing from Pakistan especially Christians.

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    It is crime to be human in pakistan.:sad::sad:
     
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    Ashutosh Lokhande Senior Member Senior Member

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    Well christians and hindus living there already knew that pak is a non secular country which was specially created for only religion of peace.

    Why you complaining now?
     
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    We are complaining because we are living in utmost poverty, illiteracy, crime, shame, instability, greed, social injustice, non-availability of basic sanitation and health facilities, over-crowded educational institutions and hospitals, corrupt officials and an environment which curb new innovation and growth. But we will surely fight this system, win back our rights and tell the World that Yes we are good to humanity, we are a good nation and we will make this world a better place to live in. I am hopeful of that. May God help us all.
     
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    Ashutosh Lokhande Senior Member Senior Member

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    You are not getting me.
    Am saying that christians or hindus or any kafirs for that matter living in pakistan know that the country they living in was created specially for followers of islam and as a non secular state.
    It's there mistake and very stupid of them to expect that any type of equality of rights or secularism from pakistan state.
    Cant they understand that if pakistan wanted to be a multi cultural;secular and tolerant country then why would they patition from india in the first place. :truestory:
     
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  7. Neo

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    Pakistan was created as a secular nation protecting the constitutional rights of minorites to certain level. Depite dominance by muslims, the minorities remained well protected and well 'tollerated' till the Zia era when Pakistani society started to radicalise due wrong policies and diktat from Arab masters and the rise of extremism.
    What Tufail is tryin to say that we are aware of our wrongdoings and good changes are to come as Pakistan finds itself on crossroads of make or break dillema.
    Pakistanis are fed uo with the system and want changes.
    If we succeed in taking our Pakistan back from these corrupt political feudals, its a matter of tine that we will emerge again as a moderate and strong society with high noral values as we did till the late eightees.
     
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    Like the time when a. q. khan was pimping nuclear technology stolen from the west for money.....If that's your benchmark, you are no less different now...

     
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    Don't judge the whole nation by the acts of a few and if you insist on doing that, blame those prominent industrialists from Germany, Belgium, Holland, Turkey, UAE and Malaysia as well who sold sensitive technology to Dr Khan or played a keyrole in his network.

    He stole nothing, he paid big money to those willing to supply to sell and are still roaming freely wherever they are.

    US, UK and France passed nuclear technology to Israel, supplied fuel through clandestine operations. USA itself stole the nuclear technology from Germany. We are a non signatory to NPT and therefor not bound to any explanation to anyone.
     
  10. Ashutosh Lokhande

    Ashutosh Lokhande Senior Member Senior Member

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    Can you provide a credible/non paki source of pakistan being created as a secular nation?

    Either you or me was taught a distorted history in school.
     
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    Pakistan became an Islamic Republic in 1956, nine years after her birth. This is also the year our first constitution was written.

    Numerous quotes by Jinnah prior to the independence support the fact that Pakistan was meant to be a secular country:


    Speaking to the Central Legislative Assembly in 1935 Jinnah said: "Religion should not be allowed to come into politics….Religion is merely a matter between man and God." Jinnah drew a clear line between politics and religion, with religion clearly limited to being "between man and God". This statement should have laid the foundation of a secular Pakistan.


    As late as November 14, 1946, 9 months prior to independence, Jinnah said: "I am not fighting for Muslims, believe me, when I demand Pakistan." Jinnah pursued Pakistan neither in the name of Islam, nor exclusively for Muslims. The Father of Pakistan was more than willing to endorse an undivided India, which he openly did when he accepted the Cabinet Mission Plan. All Jinnah wanted was to ensure that the social and economic interests of the conglomerate of the Muslim-majority states remained secure.

    "No distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one state,"
    said Jinnah at his presidential address to the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan in 1947. He went on:oSeldom has anyone described a secular state in words better than these. Jinnah spoke of the state recognizing the status of these denominations as "citizens of the state" and ignoring religious identity.

    "You are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed. That has nothing to do with the business of the state."


    Speaking about the Shudras, or Untouchables, during his address at the All India Muslim League session at Delhi, in 1934 he said: "In the name of humanity, I care more for [the Untouchables] than for the Muslims." These words were not uttered before a Hindu gathering, which could have led some to argue that perhaps he was trying to win their favour. These words were, in fact, openly stated during his address at a Muslim League session.

    "The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly…Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of men, justice and fairplay to everybody…In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims – Hindus, Christians and Parsis – but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan."
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    In February 1948, just months before his death, Jinnah said: "But make no mistake, Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it."
     
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    extremism and radicalization don't happen overnight. they are bred for decades and the tip is only visible when it is too late to do anything, at this point of time in pakistan the radicalization and extremism are irreversible. Moreover, you cant call a country secular which was created to harbor a set of people with similar religion, and icing on the cake is when they named the country PAKISTAN.....literally the land of pure (in this case the pure are Muslims, rest of them are not not so). surely, when you can create a nation just for muslims, kick out the non muslim population, differentiate between pure and impure.... then what is secular and what is moderate in it.
     
  13. Neo

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    I hive highlighted Jinnah's quotes which are well documented to prove that Jinnah created Pakistan as a secular state.
    The Constitution was written in 1956 and the art. 2 named Islam is state religion officially making her an Islamic Republic.

    For first nice years of her existance Pakistan remained secular.
     
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    Indeed, it didn't happen overnight....it took eleven years under Zia, 1977-1988, to lay the foundation and create an islamist environment with newly adapted state policies and laws including the Shariah under growing influence of the Saudis. Extremism and Jihad, the brainchild of CIA/ISI/MI5 were intriduced as powerful tools to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan with fall out over Pakistan once the war ended and the Jihadists were diverted to Kashmir. This was a joint blunder of Pakistan and USA as Afghanistan was left to rot with hundred of thousands of weapons and 40.000 extremists and mercinaries indulged in a civil war.

    See post #10.
     
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    not just 12 yrs, the seeds were sown when pakistan was formed (14 aug 1947), and riots which followed the partition were the manifestation of these seeds. Calcutta saw the violence, where countless hindus were killed by islamic mobs, this fire slowly spread to entire country.
     
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    Lets agree to disagree as you have the right to believe what you want to and I respect that. Partition was a very painful and traumatic seperation with emotions running high all over the country. As Calcutta burnt, one of the first trains to Pakistan arrived with thousands of dead bodies, no one survived the genocide comitted by the Sikhs. Men, women, children were butchered like animals, no life was spared...
     
  17. Ashutosh Lokhande

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    @Neo ill provide you with one of the numerous independent source on why was pakistan partioned from india.

    heres a link :- Jinnah and the Making of Pakistan | History Today


    if you still want to believe that pakistan was not created specially for muslims then i dont have anything more to say about this.


    the following videos is a proof that pakistan are fed and made to believe lies. plz make sure to go through it whenever you are free and get time.

    Najam Sethi on Distortion of History In Pakistan especially against India - Part 1 - YouTube
    Najam Sethi on Distortion of History In Pakistan especially against India - Part 2 - YouTube
    Najam Sethi on Distortion of History In Pakistan especially against India - Part 3 - YouTube
    Distorted History of Pakistan with Hassan Nisar Part 1 - YouTube


    there are many more you can find over the internet about pakistan teaching false history and lies to it people and children.
    i hope you acknowledge this fact and try to accept the truth and nothing but the truth that pakistan was created for all wrong and shamefull resons.



    @Ahsan Bin Tufail i would also like to know your views on all of the above posted content.
     
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    Nisar and sethi are kufur in THE eyes of dehati aurat
     
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    Jinnah was a secularist who believed that Muslims are a separate nation and can't live with others.
    Then Jinnah said that in this separate nation for muslims, non-muslims and muslims alike will shed their identities and all will live happily as Pakistanis.

    LOL.
     
  20. Neo

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    My prime sourceis Jinnah and his quotes. Read his biography and written history to learn more about his secular views. When you get that from horses mouth, every other link, video, article, bog or opinion becomes useless.
    Deny the quotes if you can ot the fact that Pakistan became an Islamic Republic in1956 only, nine year after its birth. Pakistan came into being as a secular nation.
     
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    this problem arise when there is a difference in action and speech........Jinnah created a separate nation for Muslims of subcontinent, but he said (purportedly) that this new nation is for every one...see the difference, jinnah said a thing and did entirely opposite of that, even his close confides were having different view ...the changed the national anthem because it was penned by hindu, so much for secularism
     
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