It belongs to China

[J20!]

I've been saying this all along, the Filipinos know very well that those shoals are Chinese territory,, but with the big bad US behind them, they somehow feel its their chance for island grabs in the SCS. You can only push your luck so far... And Indians say we're the bullies.

Ray so what if a Chinese man discovered the America's? Is China claiming them now? The Scarborough Shoal is Chinese. period. All the "China claims everything" whining doesn't change that.

 

[Ray]

No the Philippines have been exercising control over this shoal for long.

 

[ice berg]

yah, exercising control surely has a new meaning when they didnt even has the shoals in their maps until the 90s. Not to mention removed the chinese marks in 97. Follow that logic, India must still have exercised control over Pakistan. :taunt1:

So, what exactly was the territory we declared independence from the US in 1946? Why is it that NONE of our constitutions, past and present, from 1899, 1935, 1943, 1973, 1986 and 1987, include either the Spratlys or the Scarborough Shoal within our declared national territory? Where, or from whom, did we, all of a sudden, acquire title to these? Out of thin air?

In the late 1970s, China organized many scientific expeditions in the Shoal and around that area. In fact, in 1980, a stone marker reading "South China Sea Scientific Expedition" was installed by China on the South Rock. This Chinese marker was removed, without authority, by the Philippines in 1997.

All official maps published by the Philippines until the 1990s excluded both the Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal from its territorial boundaries. Our own Republic Act No. 3046, passed by our Congress and approved in 1961, stopped us from our claim. Yet, we had the temerity to amend this law on March 10, 2009, after 48 long years, to unilaterally include the disputed territories.

 

[Ray]

Follow that logic, India must still have exercised control over Pakistan.

Indeed before 1947.

Even maps show that.

But it is foolish to claim Pakistan is a part of India.

Your comparison falls in that category.

In the late 1970s, China organized many scientific expeditions in the Shoal and around that area. In fact, in 1980, a stone marker reading "South China Sea Scientific Expedition" was installed by China on the South Rock. This Chinese marker was removed, without authority, by the Philippines in 1997.

And what about the Chinese map that states that China discovered the Americas and most of the world?

Why not bring that in too?

 

[redragon]

Indeed before 1947.

Even maps show that.

But it is foolish to claim Pakistan is a part of India.

Your comparison falls in that category.



And what about the Chinese map that states that China discovered the Americas and most of the world?

Why not bring that in too?

Again, as always, just your imagination, no facts, no valid point.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

yah, exercising control surely has a new meaning when they didnt even has the shoals in their maps until the 90s. Not to mention removed the chinese marks in 97. Follow that logic, India must still have exercised control over Pakistan. :taunt1:

Since when did China start believing the maps? Macmohan line would have been a non-issue if China were such a believer of maps.

All official maps published by the Philippines until the 1990s excluded both the Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal from its territorial boundaries. Our own Republic Act No. 3046, passed by our Congress and approved in 1961, stopped us from our claim. Yet, we had the temerity to amend this law on March 10, 2009, after 48 long years, to unilaterally include the disputed territories.

I would not be surprised if one day you unilaterally decide the whole world is a disputed territory and belongs to you!!

 

[ice berg]

Since when did China start believing the maps? Macmohan line would have been a non-issue if China were such a believer of maps.



I would not be surprised if one day you unilaterally decide the whole world is a disputed territory and belongs to you!!

the Macmohan was not recognised by the chinese. When you draw lines between two countries and one of them dont agree with that. Then it is disputed. Not that hard to understand, right? And what does that got to do with the topic at hand anyway? If you want to talk about that, open a new thread.

You can claim the whole world belongs to you for all I care. Claim something and actually enforce your will is however complete different.

 

[Ray]

You can claim the whole world belongs to you for all I care. Claim something and actually enforce your will is however two complete different thing.

It is China who claims that world is theirs because of maps.

Here is a refresher for your tired memory

China map lays claim to Americas

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China map lays claim to Americas

Don't be a jhantu.

Actually with all this, China becomes the world's laughing stock!

 

[Ray]

Again, as always, just your imagination, no facts, no valid point.

I agree.

You do find English a problem!

Wakey wakey!

Smell the coffee!

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

the Macmohan was not recognised by the chinese. When you draw lines between two countries and one of them dont agree with that. Then it is disputed. Not that hard to understand, right? And what does that got to do with the topic at hand anyway? If you want to talk about that, open a new thread.

You can claim the whole world belongs to you for all I care. Claim something and actually enforce your will is however complete different.

I brought it up to show your hypocrisy because you unilaterally decide to recognize or unrecognize a map.

Surprisingly, you are so innocent but still you have border disputes with all your neighbours and everyone wants to claim your territory.

 

[ice berg]

I am hypocrite when I post an article written by a local Philippine?

The article shows that they are just as hypocrite as the CCP.

No idea the part about unilaterally recognize a map. Try to be more clear in your post.

And have the facts right. China has only one border dispute on land. And that is India. So much for your lies that she got border disputes with all her neighbours.

Ignorance is a bliss.

 

[Ray]

I am hypocrite when I post an article written by a local Philippine?

The article shows that they are just as hypocrite as the CCP.

No idea the part about unilaterally recognize a map. Try to be more clear in your post.

And have the facts right. China has only one border dispute on land. And that is India. So much for your lies that she got border disputes with all her neighbours.

Ignorance is a bliss.

You are talking to who?

Talking to yourself?

Do quote the post you are addressing unless you have become gutless.

 

[Ray]

BTW Iceberg,

Why did you go to war with Vietnam?

Did you think that Vietnam was your weapons proving ground?

and Ussuri River?

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

I am hypocrite when I post an article written by a local Philippine?

The article shows that they are just as hypocrite as the CCP.

No idea the part about unilaterally recognize a map. Try to be more clear in your post.

And have the facts right. China has only one border dispute on land. And that is India. So much for your lies that she got border disputes with all her neighbours.

Ignorance is a bliss.

China has dispute with all its neighbours. Some are resolved, some are under freeze. For whetting your appetite, some links:
CBC News Indepth: China
China’s Territorial Disputes in the South China Sea and East China Sea | China Briefing News

Even Wikipedia provides an extensive list of China's disputes. So, please update yourself on the disputes. Although, you do not consider Tibet and Taiwan worthy enough to be even labelled as a dispute, but the rest of the world thinks otherwise.

For the Macmohan line I will put up a discussion thread somewhere else. If someone knows of boundary dispute thread here on DFI, please point us to it if possible.

 

[Ray]

China is the Middle Kingdom.

The world belongs to her!

Read their fairy tales that they call history and check their maps (that claim the world is there)!

They are the cutest things that could hit the universe. They beat the Martians in the comic books!

 

[Ray]

List of fictitious stories in Romance of the Three Kingdoms

he following is a chronologically arranged list of fictitious stories in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, one of the Four Great Classical Novels of Chinese literature. Although the novel is a romanticised retelling of the history of the late Han Dynasty and Three Kingdoms period, due to its widespread popularity, many people falsely believe it to a real account of the events that happened during that era. Some historians have also used the novel as a source to study the history of the late Han Dynasty and Three Kingdoms period, regardless of factual basis. The authoritative source for the history of the Three Kingdoms is Records of Three Kingdoms, a historical text written by Chen Shou, which includes annotations by Pei Songzhi from other historical texts such as Weilue and Jiangbiao Zhuan (江表傳). Other historical sources covering the history of that period include the Book of the Later Han and the Book of Jin. Since Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a historical novel, many stories in it are either fictitious or based on folktales and historical incidents that happened in other periods of Chinese history. What follows is an incomplete list of the better known fictitious stories in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, each with accompanying text that explains the differences between the story and historical accounts.

Oath of the Peach Garden

The story follows three protagonists, Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei, who take an oath of brotherhood in a place known as the Peach Garden, believed to be in present-day Zhuozhou, Hebei.[1]

There is no mention of the three men becoming sworn brothers in Records of Three Kingdoms. In Guan Yu's biography, their relationship was simply described to be "as close as brothers", to the point of "sharing the same bed".

Zhang Fei thrashes the imperial inspector

An inspector was sent to survey Liu Bei's county when the latter had assumed office as a minor county-level magistrate after helping to suppress the Yellow Turban Rebellion. The inspector hinted to Liu Bei that he wanted bribes, but Liu did not understand what the inspector meant. Later, even after his assistant explained to him, Liu Bei still refused to give bribes. The inspector was unable to find any fault with Liu Bei's administration so he attempted to force the locals to file a complaint against Liu.[3] Zhang Fei was furious when he heard about it and he barged into the county office, dragged the inspector out, tied him to a post and gave him a severe thrashing. Liu Bei showed up and stopped Zhang Fei. When Guan Yu suggested to kill the inspector and seek their fortune elsewhere, Liu Bei refused and he resigned, returning his official seal to the inspector before leaving.

Liu Bei's biography in Records of Three Kingdoms mentioned that Liu Bei was the one responsible for beating up the inspector. Apparently, the inspector refused to see Liu Bei and claimed that he was ill, but Liu broke into the inspector's room and dragged him out, tied him to a tree and flogged him more than 100 times

Read more of this junk here:

List of fictitious stories in Romance of the Three Kingdoms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ray]

Chinese are daydreamers who believe in their daydreams!

Hitler died, but left his legacy of Lebensraum!

Hitler had his Herrenvolk policy.

Chinese have their Han cultural supremacy and Legalism over "barbarians" i.e. all non Han people!

Racist to the core!

That is why even non Hans declare themselves as Hans and China claims to have 92% as Hans.

One wonders when did the 100 Yues become Han!

Or those for Sichuan and elsewhere!

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

China is the Middle Kingdom.

The world belongs to her!

Read their fairy tales that they call history and check their maps (that claim the world is there)!

They are the cutest things that could hit the universe. They beat the Martians in the comic books!

China has closed upon the only window they had to the world wisdom(i.e. India). Unless some new Huang Tsang(Xuanzang) appears on the scene, they have no option but to keep themselves engaged in pipe-dreams.

 

[Ray]

True.

But they are such loveable tykes!

 

[ice berg]

China has dispute with all its neighbours. Some are resolved, some are under freeze. For whetting your appetite, some links:
CBC News Indepth: China
China's Territorial Disputes in the South China Sea and East China Sea | China Briefing News

Even Wikipedia provides an extensive list of China's disputes. So, please update yourself on the disputes. Although, you do not consider Tibet and Taiwan worthy enough to be even labelled as a dispute, but the rest of the world thinks otherwise.

For the Macmohan line I will put up a discussion thread somewhere else. If someone knows of boundary dispute thread here on DFI, please point us to it if possible.

Seriously what are you smoking, dude?

Your own sentence: China has dispute with all its neighbours. Some are resolved, some are under freeze.

You do realise it is a contradiction, right? How can you have a dispute if it is solved? Once again, what are you smoking?

Have you ever used a map to see what countries bordering China? All of them have disputes with China? Seriously,
learn to read a map.

Do you even know what a border dispute is?

A territorial dispute is a disagreement over the possession/control of land between two or more states or over the possession or control of land.

That is quite different than overlapping claims in EEZ. We are only talking about land border here.

If we follow your logic, then all the involving countries have overlapping claims including Vietnam, Phillipine, Malaysia, China, Brunei and Taiwan. Then why single out China? They all have disputes with each other.

And who is the rest of the world you are talking about. Do give me a source that states that Tibet or Taiwan is a disputed area. Who is the "world"? UN? US? Phillipine? Provide an authentic source. Otherwise it is just your fantasy.

And for the last time. The only country China has a dispute with on land is India. Do your homework.