It belongs to China

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  1. ice berg

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    It belongs to China - Manila Standard Today - Daily news, current events, latest news in the Philippines

    It belongs to China
    Posted April 28th, 2012 by Manila Standard Today & filed under Opinion.

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    By Victor N. Arches II

    The Scarborough Shoal does belong to China which discovered it and drew it in a map as early as 1279 during the Yuan Dynasty. Chinese fishermen, from both the Mainland and Taiwan, have since used it. As a matter of fact, Guo Shoujing, (the Chinese astronomer, engineer and mathematician who worked under the Mongol ruler, Kublai Khan) performed surveying of the South China Sea, and the surveying point was the Scarborough Shoal which is considered part of the Zhongsha Islands (renamed Huangyan Island in 1983).

    By contrast, the “old maps” being relied upon by our Department of Foreign Affairs in its spurious claim on the same territory were drawn up only in 1820, or 541 years after China’s. I am surprised that Senator Edgardo Angara—supposedly a renowned lawyer—can claim that a map drawn 5 centuries and 4 decades after, takes precedence over the much earlier map of China.

    But I am all the more astonished that Fr. Joaquin Bernas, in his April 22 article in another newspaper, being one of the main framers of the 1987 Constitution, uses the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea as his basis to defend the Philippine claim. This, despite and after acknowledging the fact that, indeed, “the Scarborough Shoal is OUTSIDE THE LIMITS set by the Treaty of Paris for Philippine territory.” What kind of double-speak is that?

    So, what exactly was the territory we declared independence from the US in 1946? Why is it that NONE of our constitutions, past and present, from 1899, 1935, 1943, 1973, 1986 and 1987, include either the Spratlys or the Scarborough Shoal within our declared national territory? Where, or from whom, did we, all of a sudden, acquire title to these? Out of thin air?

    In the late 1970s, China organized many scientific expeditions in the Shoal and around that area. In fact, in 1980, a stone marker reading “South China Sea Scientific Expedition” was installed by China on the South Rock. This Chinese marker was removed, without authority, by the Philippines in 1997.

    All official maps published by the Philippines until the 1990s excluded both the Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal from its territorial boundaries. Our own Republic Act No. 3046, passed by our Congress and approved in 1961, stopped us from our claim. Yet, we had the temerity to amend this law on March 10, 2009, after 48 long years, to unilaterally include the disputed territories.

    But what takes the cake is the fact that China holds three international treaties in support of its claim over the territories in question—namely, the 1898 Treaty of Paris between the US and Spain, the 1900 Treaty of Washington between Spain and the US, and the 1930 Treaty between Great Britain and the US, all limiting Philippine territorial limits to the 118th degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich.

    On the other hand, the basis of the Philippine claim is restricted to proximity, relying solely on the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. As far as I know, a mere “convention” cannot overturn or supersede a treaty or an agreement reached between colonial powers. And even if it were considered a “law”, it cannot be made to take effect retroactively.

    Whom are we fooling?

    Mr. Arches is from San Juan City. He is a retired investment and merchant banker, a retired Certified Public Accountant, and a retired economist who loves to dabble in history and political science, among many other interests.



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    (Published in the Manila Standard Today newspaper on /2012/April/28)


    Let the flamming begin!
     
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  3. Adux

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    Nobody cares, China can suck an egg. Come and get it. USN has arranged to make some new reef's out there. If we go by the Chinese maps, the real ones and their theory behind possession of land, Tibet, heck even China should belong to India.
     
  4. fzaq

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    so why is china still afraid of taking this to the UN?
     
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    American belongs to China.

    The world belongs to China!

    Maybe one day a map shall 'surface' showing that the Universe belongs to China!
     
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    I get your point - everything under the Sun belongs to China.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The Sun, Moon and the Stars too.

    Everything under those belongs to China.

    In fact, the Sun, Moon and the Stars also belong to China.

    Watch the space for the map to surface!
     
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    pls dont forget pakistan, china owns them also
     
  9. redragon

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    we don't ask UN for what belongs to us.
    if I said that your wife is mine, then you can go to court, :rofl:
     
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    nobody cares what you care
     
  11. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    And China can take a running jump!
     
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    These Chinese (mainland) are pathetic. Look at their claim, it is resembling a "dick" that encompasses all the resource rich islands. Now that is an opportunistic territorial claim...

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    From now on I shall name the Chinese claim as the "CHINESE DICK CLAIM"... :rofl:
     
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    Are u amazed at the UK's Falkland dick? :rofl:
     
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    Didn't your CCP propaganda tell you that the inhabitants of the Falklands are British citizens? :pound:
     
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    Just like I thought. None of the points raised by the article is discussed. People are into another dick measuring contest.

    :rofl:

    Keep the trolling and flamming coming, guys. This is what you are good at. :thumb:
     
  16. panduranghari

    panduranghari Senior Member Senior Member

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    No but seems UK will have to give up the occupation of Malvinas soon.
     
  17. kickok1975

    kickok1975 Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    I say let the war begin otherwise everyone should back off worry something more important, no more drama.
     
  18. satish007

    satish007 Senior Member Senior Member

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    actually, in human history, who strong who take more. and you guys have 5000km nuke bombs now, ones you guys help
    argentina, UK will pee in paints. and you can give them another options, you guys can have a bet on a cricket game, UK will shit in paints.
     
  19. redragon

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    Thank god, guys like will never be leader
     
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    Listen to the war drums

     
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    or if you like


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