Israeli defense minister pledges closer ties with China's military!

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  1. bhramos

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    Israel expects to consolidate partnership with China's military as well as to promote cooperation in technology and economy, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said during a press conference held in the Israeli Embassy in Beijing on June 14.

    Barak's last visit to China was 17 years ago as Israel's chief of general staff. He said what impressed him most is that there has been a huge leap forward in everything he could see in Beijing.

    Barak arrived in Beijing for meetings with senior officials, including Gen. Liang Guanglie, the Chinese minister of defense; Gen. Chen Bingde, chief of the general staff of the People's Liberation Army, and Vice Premier Li Keqiang.

    "In all of our meetings, we looked for ways with people in uniforms to consolidate the relationship between our defense establishments with a variety of common interests, from fighting terrorism to exchanging visits of soldiers and officers. I invited both the defense minister and chief of general staff to visit Israel," he said.

    In addition to raising military-to-military relations to a new level, Barak also expressed his wish to enhance the historical friendship between the two peoples and to further broaden cooperation in diverse areas, such as in high technology, clean technology, agriculture and trade.

    "We are ready to share our knowledge with your gifted scientists, engineers and businessmen to find ways to make business. Israel is too small, and it never has enough market for our technology," he said. "We came here to consolidate our partnership with the Chinese PLA but also to expose to the Chinese people our openness to join hands and make the world, including China and Israel, a little bit better to live in."

    Ehud Barak is an Israeli politician who served as Prime Minister from 1999 until 2001. He was leader of the Labor Party until January 2011 and holds the posts of Minister of Defense and Deputy Prime Minister in Benjamin Netanyahu's government. He served as an officer in the Israel Defense Forces. Following a highly decorated career, he was appointed chief of general staff in 1991, serving until 1995.

    By Zheng Qingting, People's Daily Online

    Israeli defense minister pledges closer ties with China's military - People's Daily Online

    Israel has same views as India, like India has closer ties with Both Russia and US!!!!
    Is this Israel Issue good for India???
     
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  3. pack leader

    pack leader Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    you are paranoid we like china and hate ccp
    we wont share important mil tech with china
    both America and India will be offended if we do
    stop spreading hysteria you sound like a Pakistani/Arab
     
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  4. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    The Chinese warplane program got it's start from Israel's LAVI program.
     
  5. Tshering22

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    Relax.. we're not paranoid. With this idiotic government trying to appease Muslims through their behinds and lack of engagement with Israel at the levels that NDA had, this has to happen a bit. Even we've started war games with the Chinese. It is just that we're concerned about what the invasive and expansionist CCP can do. That's all.
     
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    i know it was 30 years ago when every one traded mil equipment with china (including NATO)
    we weren't friends with India (you formally recognized Israel only in 1991 )
    and we had a crisis in us-Israel relationship after they refused to supply engines for lavi
     
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    The IAI Lavi is a far bigger copy of F-16 than the J-10 is a copy of Lavi. The Canards, ducts, nose everything is diffrent with the J-10 apart from the two small rear Tail fins at the bottom that resemble the Lavi and that could be merely a design feature. .
     
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    Chinese salvaged the program for the J-10.
     
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    Sorry but I fail to understand what "appeasement of Muslims through their behinds" related to Israeli policy is happening? In fact Israel has got more defense deals under UPA than NDA in terms of dollar amounts. Infact it even became the biggest supplier in defense h/w for 2009 pipping Russia for the top spot. Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan
    And given that major Israeli deals were signed right before the elections, the theory that UPA devalues Israeli relationship to "appease muslim voters" goes out the window. So this misconception should be allayed.

    Its only recently that after some Israeli companies have been blacklisted due to corruption charges and the increasing presence of US inventory in military sales that the Israeli number one spot has gone down.

    In terms of trade, there has been Commerce minister Jyotiraditya Scindia visit last year to finalise an FTA and trade from NDA era to now has increased by almost 40 times to about US $4billion+. Other ministers include Kapil Sibal, Kamal Nath and Sharad Pawar. And in 2007 a delegation of the All India Organisation of Imams and Mosques also visited Israel Indo-Israeli relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So such an assumption is surprising and I would say Indo-Israeli relations have never been so good if you look at trade figures, intelligence co-operation and military sales.

    In fact, the Israelis know how important it is to cultivate the Indian Muslim public opinion and Mark Sofer has always gone ahead to give interviews to Urdu newspapers or visiting local mosques or dargahs in Ajmer or Indian Muslim ngos to present the Israeli point of view and would always make it a point to include journalists from papers that had large Muslim leaderships like Urdu papers for example. Infact, the Israeli embassy website in India is probably one of the few that has a Urdu version as well.

    Having said that, Indian diplomacy inevitably revolves around what is in Indian interest no matter who is power. For example, the diplomatic reset with Saudi Arabia actually began under the NDA. The Saudi support to India and pressure on Pakistan during Kargil laid the foundation of goodwill gesture and in 2003, LK Advani and Shahnawaz Hussain arranged for anti-terror security co-operation with Saudi interior ministry
    India, Saudi Arabia agree to sign anti-terror treaty - Economic Times

    Now was this some sort of muslim appeasement by the NDA? No, it was in Indian interest to tackle terrorism and forge co-operation with SA.

    Similarly, in the face of extreme hostility by the US and Israel (not mention Saudi Arabia) to Iran, we still need to maintain some sort of relationship with Iran. Not only due to energy concerns but also because they provide a vital path to Afghanistan / C. Asia and their historical support to India under Khatami on the Kashmir issue. Again no "muslim appeasement" in this either.

    On topic, Israel will continue to follow policies in ITS national interest. Why should we expect it to not seek a closer relationship with China as well given that it is a UNSC permanent member and arguably the second most powerful country after the US. Just like India will look after ITS national interest. They don't necessarily have to be the same ALL the time but they should be managed so that they don't become hostile.

    And on the Indian Muslim perspective, there is a post I did earlier here that gives a brief view on the Indo-Israeli relationship. http://defenceforumindia.com/foreign-relations/484-indo-israel-relations-6.html#post174896

    India has always stood for two state solution for the resolution of the conflict. These were publicly stated policies under NDA as well. And this is what the Israelis themselves have agreed to. We can't directly influence the negotiations as we don't have major leverages with either sides. So apart from reiterating that stand there is nothing else we would be or could be doing.
     
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    Israel uesd to help us big time militarilly and they were under big pressure from the US. however while i really appreciate this something needs to be heeded here which is Israelis also know what we can offer to nations like Iran Syria...u name it. if u think c-802 is bad enough i can assure u we ve already expressed our concerns to Iranis and much worse may happen to Israel if China didnt do so i guess.
     
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    The scope of current defence coorporation between Isral and China will be fairly limited mainly due to US objections. I will have a hard time imaging that it will be back to the level it enjoyed in the 80's and early 90's. India, however, is hardly in position to influence the China-Israel relationship , or for that matter any bilateral relationship with China around the world outside Bhutan or perhaps Nepal. Despite the million dollar sales of israeli weapons to India China-Israel trade is 50% larger than the India-Israel trade. Besides, China has considerable influence in the middile east, and is a veto-wielding member of the SC.
     
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    We cant influence China because we are not allies or friends worthy of mention. We can influence the Israelis who are in a lot of Joint programs with us and that would be enough.
     
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    tony4562 Tihar Jail Banned

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    You depend more on Israel than Israel is depending on you. And defence sales only make a small portion of the total trade, even for a country like Israel. And bilateral relationship goes much further than just military sales. Think about, India could not even stop Russia from selling RD93 to Pakistan, a country Russia was not particularly befriended with. You know, why? The sales went through because Russia didn't want to offend China. Currently India has next-to-zero influence outside the subcontinent, this is just a fact. As indian economy grows, her influences around the world will grow too, but that is long way ahead.
     
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    if Israel does not like CPC, then why is Israeli defence minister "Ehud Barak" pledging closer ties to China military in the top article?

    anyway, all cooperation is good.
     
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    Next to zero influence? Is that why Russia sells so many equipment to Pakistan? One RD-93 engine does not mean that you have all the power that just one item. Israel is in Joint-Development with India and we respect that friendship, ask any Israeli and they will tell you they prefer India towards China. We dont copy their stuff and we are a safe beat that wont sell it to Pakistan or unfriendly countries against Israel.

    Currently your only friends are North Korea and Pakistan, everyone literally hates you. You changing your name to tony does not mean your white is it? lol
     
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    Between nations there is no true friendship, only the ever-changing interests. Outside Bhutan, there is no another country where India can dictate its policies, this is a faktum. It's true that some countries refuse to sell certain weapons to China, often due to Uncle's arm twisting or sometimes out of their own interests, they don't do this just to keep India happy.
     
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    my dear friend when u post something be ware the current situation, recently french pledged not 2 supply any majore deff equip to pakistan, and u whatever holy land u stay dont think that u give us weaponary free u r taking lots of money for that ,if u dont want to give us no problem,we have enough money to buy it anywhere from the world ,and more over choose from one of the 2 if u choose china ,good luck,but indian door will be closed for u,
     
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    I wonder why he ignored this part ?

    inferiority complex perhaps.
     
  19. LETHALFORCE

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    In ADB loan for Arunachal China had less influence then India.
     
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    @ bold comon dont be shy be honest, primary reason is most countries do not trust china and there copy cat industry chain. :thumb:
     
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    Yes thats what is called soft power and democracies will work more closely with each other against Theocracies in order to not ruin their ideological reputation. Everyone hates China and your power does not even go to pull North Korea from the Brink and you tell us? Lol.

    Also your idea of their can no friendship with nations only mutual interests is not exact. There are some countries with true friendship and admiration between each other like USA and Canada which runs deep into the level of people, same is the case with some countries in Europe. Its your communist governments blind hate at India is ruining what other wise could have been great neighbors, between people we have nothing against each other its is merely an ideology that is standing on the way.
     
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