Israel to supply Spike 'tank-killer' missiles to India

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Re: Israel to supply Spike 'tank-killer' missiles to India

Sir, it is not worth to consider PSU shipyards as production line for subs. The reason is they can't help much.

SSBN are all different ball game. India can't produce them as product came out of production line.

That is fact.

So all hope left form only one shipyard, which will make project 75I.

And there are no question of imitate anybody. But it is requirement.
The Indian Navy is Pressing for Foreign Construction of Next Generation Submarines | Defense Update:
Mar 27, 2012

....This decision is a blow to the private sector shipyards. Larsen & Turbo (L&T) shipyard. The company is playing a major role in building the Arihant-class nuclear submarines. ABG Shipyard and Pipavav Shipyard have also invested on infrastructure in preparation for major defense contracts. According to the long-term Submarine Construction Plan introduced in 1999, Indian shipyards would build 24 conventional submarines by 2030.....
 

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Re: Israel to supply Spike 'tank-killer' missiles to India

Casper, it is possible that L&T gets 75I project as it is the only private company with sub building experience.
L&T is building Arihant class boats.
Mazgaon Dock is building scorpene (I think it will build 6)
L&T has two shipyards at Hazira and Kattupalli and also leases ship building space at HSL.

The foreign construction is no longer easy with situation like Mistral stuck in France.
 

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The thumbrule calculations show that Spike Missile is being procured at USD 50,000 per round which is 1/3rd of earlier estimated figure. So I continue to wonder if the reporting is correct. Also another issue is when will Indian Manufacturing start? Whether any portion of 8200 missiles will be made in India or manufacturer in India will start only after these 8200 missiles? Israel inspite of hype has been very stingy in giving any technology to India, so lets see what have they promised to do this time.
 

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Re: Israel to supply Spike 'tank-killer' missiles to India

Casper, it is possible that L&T gets 75I project as it is the only private company with sub building experience.
L&T is building Arihant class boats.
Mazgaon Dock is building scorpene (I think it will build 6)
L&T has two shipyards at Hazira and Kattupalli and also leases ship building space at HSL.

The foreign construction is no longer easy with situation like Mistral stuck in France.
Sir, there are no reasons for foreign construction in Modi's govt. Please check the date of that link, Mar 27, 2012. It is old report.

But still I posted it bcz of this info only -->
According to the long-term Submarine Construction Plan introduced in 1999, Indian shipyards would build 24 conventional submarines by 2030
Now read it again, in reference to my this post --->

Originally Posted by Casper

It will be great if Indian Navy gets more diesel electric submarines.

Only 12 new boats are simply not enough.

Better if they select two bigger and one smaller boat to increase the numbers.

In shorter time they can get more numbers.

And that way two separate submarine production line get started in country with private shipyards.

It will help in future as well.

What say...?
 

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Indian MoD Clears BMP-2 Infantry Combat Vehicle Purchase Worth $293 Million



The Indian Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) Saturday approved the purchase of 362 BMP-2 "Sarath" infantry combat vehicles worth $293 million.

The Indian Army has more than 1500 BMP-2 vehicles currently operational in various roles, such as armored ambulance, armored vehicle tracked light repair, armored amphibious dozer (AAD), armoured engineer reconnaissance vehicle (AERV), NBC reconnaissance vehicle (NBCRV), carrier mortar tracked, and unmanned reconnaissance vehicle.

In 2013, the Indian Army had sought to upgrade its entire Boyevaya Mashina Pekhoty-2 (BMP-2)/2K infantry combat vehicle (ICV) fleet in an effort to enhance their capability to address operational requirements.

Upgrades included integration of latest generation fire control system, twin missile launchers and commander's thermal imaging panoramic sights, anti- tank guided missiles, as well as automatic grenade launchers.

The second-generation amphibious infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) is manufactured at the Ordinance Factory Board, Medak in Telangana under license from Russia.

The BMP-2 has a welded steel enlarged turret in the center with periscopes.

Indian MoD Clears BMP-2 Infantry Combat Vehicle Purchase Worth $293 Million
 

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The Narendra Modi government has cleared new defence projects worth Rs 80,000 crore (a little over $13 billion). Who are these new defence projects aimed at?

The obvious answer is China and Pakistan. But will China risk another war with India, non-winnable this time, at a time it has greater strategic sweepstakes elsewhere like the South China Sea? Probably yes, and probably not!

"Probably yes" -- because China is the most potent threat to India and the Indians are nowhere at par with the Chinese in terms of military capabilities. If China has to wage a winnable war against India, the option for the Chinese is fast closing. Though in today's scenario, a full-scale war is unthinkable, and that too between two nuclear armed powers, if China has any ambitions of seizing Indian territory through military means, it will have to move fast. The longer China waits, the lesser will be its chances of winning a war because of the counter military measures being taken by India, slowly but comprehensively.

"Probably not" – because China does not have to really a fight a war with India if it can extend its military umbrella to Pakistan and see the fireworks in the Indo-Pak battlefield without putting its own military boots on the ground. In other words, China can "manage" India by encouraging a situation where the familiar South Asian enemies get into a war, or a near-war, situation.
The Indian government has been well aware of this twin threat for decades and has been trying its best to get a shade better of this pincer military situation.

This is the perspective from which one must view the Modi government's push to modernize its defence capabilities and preparedness. The Modi government's decisions are aimed at beefing up the Indian navy and army in a big way, with a deep focus on bolstering the Indian Navy, particularly in the field of submarines.

The newly-cleared Indian defence projects are aimed at plugging the gaping loopholes in the submarine sector. These include acquisition of six conventional submarines for augmenting the aging and depleted submarine fleet and two midget submarines, used for special operations. The Indian focus is on "Make in India," PM Modi's pet scheme, and indigenization and self-reliance.

This is a major give-away of Indian tactics. Indian Navy gave a stellar performance in the 1971 War with Pakistan and proved to be a game-changer by blockading and throttling Pakistan's main commercial artery – Karachi. The Indian Navy (IN) did not have to do much military combat and its mere presence around the enemy's throat did the wonders.

Though the IN is presently not in a very healthy state, particularly because of its vastly depleted submarine strength, even in its current situation it is more than a match for Pakistan Navy.

Therefore, the IN is being bolstered with an eye on the bigger enemy China, rather than Pakistan.
If India continues with its defence push over the next decade or so, it is sure that China won't be in a position to even think of embarking on another 1962-type military misadventure. Even now the Indian armed forces are no push over for the Chinese but by 2025, India's defence capabilities would be several notches higher.

It is in this context that the new defence projects cleared by the Modi government on 25 October assume significance.
The Modi government's next logical step should be to ensure that the China-specific mountain strike corps is made fully operational at the earliest.

In other words, if no India-China war takes place by 2025 the chances are that such a war will never take place as the Indians would have covered a lot of ground vis a vis the Chinese by then.

If India has to be most careful and vigilant about the China threat, it is now. Therefore, all new Indian defence projects must have minimum gestation period and the weapons promised in such projects must be delivered to the Indian armed forces in the shortest possible time span.

Last year on 8 July the state-owned Chinese daily Wenweipo had published an article with a sensational title "Six Wars China is Sure to Fight in the Next 50 Years". According to this widely talked about article, China's third war would be against India over Arunachal Pradesh ("Southern Tibet" for the Chinese) which will be fought sometime between 2035-40.
But that seems to be a midsummer night dream of the author as India would be completely at par with China, if not ahead, at that time.

It is now, not a decade or two later, that India has to fear China. The Modi government's decisions on new $13 billion new defence projects must be welcomed in this context.

Twin threats of China and Pakistan: Decoding PM Modi's $13 billion defence push - Firstpost
 

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Kalyani group ties up with Rafael to make Spike missiles

In a move that will further deepen India-Israel strategic cooperation, Rafael of Israel and India’s Kalyani Group are forming a manufacturing Joint Venture (JV) to produce Spike Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGM) in India and Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) will be the system integrator, informed sources told The Hindu.

Spike is a third generation, fire-and-forget, man-portable, anti-tank missile. In all, about 40,000 missiles are required to equip the Army’s 382 infantry battalions and 44 mechanised regiments.

In October last year the Defence Acquisition Council chaired by then Defence Minister Arun Jaitley had cleared the Spike ATGM deal worth Rs. 3,200 crore deal for 8,000 plus missiles, 300 plus launchers and requisite transfer of technology to an Indian firm. The U.S. had lobbied hard for its Javelin missiles with offer of joint development and production of next generations missiles for use by both countries.

The companies are in talks with the Telangana government to procure land to set up a manufacturing facility in Hyderabad as BDL’s missile unit is located there. The JV will conform to the Foreign Direct Investment guidelines with 51% ownership held by the Kalyani Group.

Sources said the plan was to start production in about two years.

http://m.thehindu.com/news/national...ael-to-make-spike-missiles/article7478207.ece
 

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