Israel set to bag another mega Indian defence deal

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  1. sathya

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    Israel set to bag another mega Indian defence deal

    Israel seems all set to bag yet another mega defence deal to equip all the 356 infantry battalions of the Indian Army with third-generation anti-tank guided missiles(ATGMs). While Russia is far ahead in the lead, Israel is trying to stave off a strong challenge from the US to remain the second largest arms supplier to India.

    The Rs 15,000-crore project will involve an initial direct acquisition of the man-portable “tank killers”, with a strike range of 2.5-km, followed by transfer of technology (ToT) to defence PSU, Bharat Dynamics, for large-scale indigenous manufacture.

    The Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC), led by A K Antony, took up the procurement of the fire-and-forget Israeli “Spike” ATGMs for clearance on April 2. But the case was kept “pending” after being referred for “a technology scan” since it was “a single vendor situation” without any competition, said sources.

    The DAC can approve acquisition of a state-of-the-art weapon system, aimed to gain a qualitative edge over adversaries, in a single-vendor situation only after “a technology scan” is conducted by HQ IDS (integrated defence staff) in consultation with DRDO. “The scan basically certifies it’s not possible to get the weapon system from anywhere else. The DAC will consider the case after the scan,” said a source.

    The 1.13-million Army is pushing the “critical” project since it has a huge shortfall of 44,000 ATGMs of different types, half its authorised inventory at present. Moreover, both Pakistan and China — the latter with third-generation ATGMs — have zoomed ahead in this capability of stemming enemy armoured attacks.

    The “buy global” project for the shoulder-fired ATGMs had begun — after DRDO failed to deliver an indigenous system — with the Israeli Spike being pitted against the American FGM-148 Javelin missiles. But the US could not assure India of providing full ToT to allow indigenous production. Consequently, only the Spike ATGMs underwent extensive field trials conducted by the Army.

    The force is keen to begin inducting the new ATGMs soon to ensure each infantry battalion deployed in the plains has eight ATGM launchers (each with 12 missiles), and those in the mountains have at least two, by the end of the 12th Plan (2017). “Even mechanised infantry battalions will get them later,” said the source.

    At present, the Army is making do with second-generation Milan (2-km range) and Konkurs (4-km) ATGMs, produced by BDL under licence from French and Russian companies, which are wire-guided and do not have fire-and-forget capabilities.

    A part of the deficiency will be met by the induction of the long-delayed indigenous third-generation Nag ATGMs, which are vehicle and helicopter-mounted, with a 4-km strike range. The Army has already placed an initial order for 443 Nag missiles and 13 Namicas (Nag missile tracked carriers).
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    What happens to 40 years old Nag which is hybernating somewhere in the deep recess ....

    Hear, read and forget !

    Americans having refused Javalines, it is Spike to spice the curry..
     
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    Is the ATGM procurement cleared ? not clear to me... or the same old story we are evaluating since how many years...
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    DRDO's Nag missile fails in user trials - Indian Express
     
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    India needs A-10 in anti-tank role.
     
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    sir, Then What about FGM-148 Javelin ?
     
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    Livefist: DRDO Develops New 84mm Lightweight Anti-Tank System

     
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    Israel pips US in anti-tank guided missile supply to India - Times Of India
    @Bhadra

    Israel pips US in anti-tank guided missile supply to India




     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    Have been ranting this for so many days! Is Fairchild Republic willing to set up shop in India?

     
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    Honestly I don't know what it would take for IAF or IA Aviation Wing to get A-10.
     
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    Nag is resting in peace, pls dont disturb nag devta now
     
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    may be 15 yrs back not now
     
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    This is another trick of DRDO to stave off imports and keep itself relevant in the larger scheme of things.

    It is high time that there should be a performance based appraisal and the dead wood be relieved. We cannot pump Millions of Dollars so that some babus keep their high paying jobs.
     
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  15. the lwl is nothing but an indegeneously developed version of carl gustav rocket launcher which is similar to at-4.on the other hand this is man portable dedicated atgm intended to be used as anti-armour fire and forget missile equipped with a tandem heat warhead.the nag programme is also going smoothly and it was recently tested on alh dhruv during the army exercise.but i think drdo has given up hope for a man-portable nag missile(reported earlier) and nag will now only serve as a heavy atgm in dedicated namica and helicopter carriers similar to american tow.
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Learn to Read, You need Chasma..

    Get Proper Education about Category of ATGM..

     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    @sob, Without self-reliance we will die..

    About new 84mm RCL MK3, Its a Upgrade of earlier 84mm RCL MK2, This RCL is less than 8kg..

    Calls >> Carl Gustaf 84mm MK3..

    It fires :

    1. Smokes
    2. Illuminating Rounds
    3. Anti-tank
    4. Anti Personal
    5. Anti Material
    6. Thermal

    Rounds, Very popular in Infantry

     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    But wasn't there recent news that Nag failed? 3 out of 4 fired missed target. Also Namica under performed. Don't know how Helina performed though...

     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    NAMICA is equivalent and more sofisticated than HELLFIRE..

    Both in range and warhead payload..

     
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    The IAF would need to fix its ground support doctrine first.
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    What you know about our Ground Doctrine, Hope its not from your Comic book.. ;)

     
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