Israel set to bag another mega Indian defence deal

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Israel set to bag another mega Indian defence deal

Israel seems all set to bag yet another mega defence deal to equip all the 356 infantry battalions of the Indian Army with third-generation anti-tank guided missiles(ATGMs). While Russia is far ahead in the lead, Israel is trying to stave off a strong challenge from the US to remain the second largest arms supplier to India.

The Rs 15,000-crore project will involve an initial direct acquisition of the man-portable "tank killers", with a strike range of 2.5-km, followed by transfer of technology (ToT) to defence PSU, Bharat Dynamics, for large-scale indigenous manufacture.

The Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC), led by A K Antony, took up the procurement of the fire-and-forget Israeli "Spike" ATGMs for clearance on April 2. But the case was kept "pending" after being referred for "a technology scan" since it was "a single vendor situation" without any competition, said sources.

The DAC can approve acquisition of a state-of-the-art weapon system, aimed to gain a qualitative edge over adversaries, in a single-vendor situation only after "a technology scan" is conducted by HQ IDS (integrated defence staff) in consultation with DRDO. "The scan basically certifies it's not possible to get the weapon system from anywhere else. The DAC will consider the case after the scan," said a source.

The 1.13-million Army is pushing the "critical" project since it has a huge shortfall of 44,000 ATGMs of different types, half its authorised inventory at present. Moreover, both Pakistan and China — the latter with third-generation ATGMs — have zoomed ahead in this capability of stemming enemy armoured attacks.

The "buy global" project for the shoulder-fired ATGMs had begun — after DRDO failed to deliver an indigenous system — with the Israeli Spike being pitted against the American FGM-148 Javelin missiles. But the US could not assure India of providing full ToT to allow indigenous production. Consequently, only the Spike ATGMs underwent extensive field trials conducted by the Army.

The force is keen to begin inducting the new ATGMs soon to ensure each infantry battalion deployed in the plains has eight ATGM launchers (each with 12 missiles), and those in the mountains have at least two, by the end of the 12th Plan (2017). "Even mechanised infantry battalions will get them later," said the source.

At present, the Army is making do with second-generation Milan (2-km range) and Konkurs (4-km) ATGMs, produced by BDL under licence from French and Russian companies, which are wire-guided and do not have fire-and-forget capabilities.

A part of the deficiency will be met by the induction of the long-delayed indigenous third-generation Nag ATGMs, which are vehicle and helicopter-mounted, with a 4-km strike range. The Army has already placed an initial order for 443 Nag missiles and 13 Namicas (Nag missile tracked carriers).
 

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What happens to 40 years old Nag which is hybernating somewhere in the deep recess ....

Hear, read and forget !

Americans having refused Javalines, it is Spike to spice the curry..
 
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Is the ATGM procurement cleared ? not clear to me... or the same old story we are evaluating since how many years...
 

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What happens to 40 years old Nag which is hybernating somewhere in the deep recess ....

Hear, read and forget !

Americans having refused Javalines, it is Spike to spice the curry..
DRDO's Nag missile fails in user trials - Indian Express
The long-delayed Nag anti-tank missile project of the DRDO has suffered yet another setback as its user trials held recently failed.

In the trials held in Rajasthan in presence of senior Lt Gen-rank officers from the Army and top DRDO officials, the modified carrier of the missile called NAMICA also under-performed, DRDO sources said.

In the trials held at the Mahajan firing range, four Nag missiles were fired of which only one could hit the target whereas the remaining failed to do so due to glitches in the equipment on-board the weapon, they said.

Army officials present at the test-firings were not happy with the performance of the missile and have asked the defence research agency to come better prepared for the trials to be held in the future, they said.

The missile has been under development as part of the Integrated Guided Missile Development Program (IGMDP)initiated in early 1980s and is now expected to take few more years to reach the induction stage.
 

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Israel set to bag another mega Indian defence deal

Israel seems all set to bag yet another mega defence deal to equip all the 356 infantry battalions of the Indian Army with third-generation anti-tank guided missiles(ATGMs). While Russia is far ahead in the lead, Israel is trying to stave off a strong challenge from the US to remain the second largest arms supplier to India.

The Rs 15,000-crore project will involve an initial direct acquisition of the man-portable "tank killers", with a strike range of 2.5-km, followed by transfer of technology (ToT) to defence PSU, Bharat Dynamics, for large-scale indigenous manufacture.

The Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC), led by A K Antony, took up the procurement of the fire-and-forget Israeli "Spike" ATGMs for clearance on April 2. But the case was kept "pending" after being referred for "a technology scan" since it was "a single vendor situation" without any competition, said sources.

The DAC can approve acquisition of a state-of-the-art weapon system, aimed to gain a qualitative edge over adversaries, in a single-vendor situation only after "a technology scan" is conducted by HQ IDS (integrated defence staff) in consultation with DRDO. "The scan basically certifies it's not possible to get the weapon system from anywhere else. The DAC will consider the case after the scan," said a source.

The 1.13-million Army is pushing the "critical" project since it has a huge shortfall of 44,000 ATGMs of different types, half its authorised inventory at present. Moreover, both Pakistan and China — the latter with third-generation ATGMs — have zoomed ahead in this capability of stemming enemy armoured attacks.

The "buy global" project for the shoulder-fired ATGMs had begun — after DRDO failed to deliver an indigenous system — with the Israeli Spike being pitted against the American FGM-148 Javelin missiles. But the US could not assure India of providing full ToT to allow indigenous production. Consequently, only the Spike ATGMs underwent extensive field trials conducted by the Army.

The force is keen to begin inducting the new ATGMs soon to ensure each infantry battalion deployed in the plains has eight ATGM launchers (each with 12 missiles), and those in the mountains have at least two, by the end of the 12th Plan (2017). "Even mechanised infantry battalions will get them later," said the source.

At present, the Army is making do with second-generation Milan (2-km range) and Konkurs (4-km) ATGMs, produced by BDL under licence from French and Russian companies, which are wire-guided and do not have fire-and-forget capabilities.

A part of the deficiency will be met by the induction of the long-delayed indigenous third-generation Nag ATGMs, which are vehicle and helicopter-mounted, with a 4-km strike range. The Army has already placed an initial order for 443 Nag missiles and 13 Namicas (Nag missile tracked carriers).

sir, Then What about FGM-148 Javelin ?
 

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Israel pips US in anti-tank guided missile supply to India - Times Of India
Americans having refused Javalines, it is Spike to spice the curry..
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Israel pips US in anti-tank guided missile supply to India




Israel has upstaged the US in the ongoing race to bag the huge deal to supply third-generation anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) to the Indian Army, in a project which could well be worth $1 billion eventually.

Defence ministry sources said the plan to go in for the American FGM-148 Javelin ATGMs has "virtually been shelved" because of Washington's reluctance to provide full military knowhow - licensed "transfer of technology (ToT)'' - to allow India to indigenously manufacture the "tank killers'' in large numbers after an initial off-the-shelf purchase.
 
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Have been ranting this for so many days! Is Fairchild Republic willing to set up shop in India?
Honestly I don't know what it would take for IAF or IA Aviation Wing to get A-10.
 

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What happens to 40 years old Nag which is hybernating somewhere in the deep recess ....

Hear, read and forget !

Americans having refused Javalines, it is Spike to spice the curry..

Nag is resting in peace, pls dont disturb nag devta now
 

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the lwl is nothing but an indegeneously developed version of carl gustav rocket launcher which is similar to at-4.on the other hand this is man portable dedicated atgm intended to be used as anti-armour fire and forget missile equipped with a tandem heat warhead.the nag programme is also going smoothly and it was recently tested on alh dhruv during the army exercise.but i think drdo has given up hope for a man-portable nag missile(reported earlier) and nag will now only serve as a heavy atgm in dedicated namica and helicopter carriers similar to american tow.
 

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Learn to Read, You need Chasma..

Get Proper Education about Category of ATGM..

A part of the deficiency will be met by the induction of the long-delayed indigenous third-generation Nag ATGMs, which are vehicle and helicopter-mounted, with a 4-km strike range. The Army has already placed an initial order for 443 Nag missiles and 13 Namicas (Nag missile tracked carriers).
What happens to 40 years old Nag which is hybernating somewhere in the deep recess ....
Hear, read and forget !
Americans having refused Javalines, it is Spike to spice the curry..
 

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@sob, Without self-reliance we will die..

About new 84mm RCL MK3, Its a Upgrade of earlier 84mm RCL MK2, This RCL is less than 8kg..

Calls >> Carl Gustaf 84mm MK3..

It fires :

1. Smokes
2. Illuminating Rounds
3. Anti-tank
4. Anti Personal
5. Anti Material
6. Thermal

Rounds, Very popular in Infantry

This is another trick of DRDO to stave off imports and keep itself relevant in the larger scheme of things.

It is high time that there should be a performance based appraisal and the dead wood be relieved. We cannot pump Millions of Dollars so that some babus keep their high paying jobs.
 
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But wasn't there recent news that Nag failed? 3 out of 4 fired missed target. Also Namica under performed. Don't know how Helina performed though...

the lwl is nothing but an indegeneously developed version of carl gustav rocket launcher which is similar to at-4.on the other hand this is man portable dedicated atgm intended to be used as anti-armour fire and forget missile equipped with a tandem heat warhead.the nag programme is also going smoothly and it was recently tested on alh dhruv during the army exercise.but i think drdo has given up hope for a man-portable nag missile(reported earlier) and nag will now only serve as a heavy atgm in dedicated namica and helicopter carriers similar to american tow.
 
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NAMICA is equivalent and more sofisticated than HELLFIRE..

Both in range and warhead payload..

nag will now only serve as a heavy atgm in dedicated namica and helicopter carriers similar to american tow.
 

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