Israel pressures China to back Tehran sanctions

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  1. A.V.

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    Israel will send its most senior military strategist to China this week to convince Beijing that it is serious about plans to bomb nuclear facilities in Iran if international sanctions fail to curb Tehran’s development of atomic weapons.
    The visit, part of an intense round of diplomacy between China and Israel, follows signs that Beijing will shortly back tougher economic sanctions against Iran at the United Nations security council.
    China, which has the power of veto, has previously resisted such a move. President Barack Obama held an hour-long telephone call with President Hu Jintao last week. Hu will now attend a nuclear security summit to be hosted by Obama next week in Washington.
    Diplomatic observers have been astonished by the pace of Israeli diplomacy in China.

    Major-General Amir Eshel, who heads the Israeli army’s planning directorate, will fly to Beijing this week. Eshel, an air force pilot, will warn China of the international consequences of military action, particularly the potential disruption to oil supplies on which much of China’s manufacturing and international trade depend. Tougher sanctions, he will argue, are the lesser of two evils.

    Last month Major-General Amos Yadlin, the head of Israeli military intelligence, was dispatched to Beijing with the latest information about Iran’s progress towards making a nuclear device, which some experts believe could be achieved later this year.
    “Yadlin was given Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s personal permission to release Mossad’s latest evidence about Iran’s progress towards testing nuclear warheads, enriching uranium and adopting their Shahab missiles to carry nuclear warheads,” said a source.

    In a move described as “incredibly rare”, China sent a general to Tel Aviv last week to inspect the Israeli air force’s strike capabilities. Military relations between the two countries have been strained since a deal to export Israeli-built early warning aircraft to China collapsed under American pressure in 2000.

    The Israeli lobbying in Beijing has not gone unnoticed in Tehran. Last week Saeed Jalili, the senior Iranian nuclear negotiator, rushed to Beijing to warn the Chinese authorities that stepping up sanctions could cost them dearly. China relies on Iran as an oil supplier and trade partner and is the world’s second largest importer of crude oil.

    Jalili sounded confident when he stepped out of his meetings in Beijing. “In our talks with China it was agreed that tools such as sanctions have lost their effectiveness,” he said. But when he was asked whether China backed sanctions against Iran, he was evasive: “It’s up to China to answer that.”

    Saudi Arabia, the biggest supplier of crude oil to China, recently promised to supply all the oil it needs at a cheaper rate than Iran in return for supporting sanctions.

    Relations between Beijing and Washington have been icy in the past year. China was angry about Obama’s meeting with the Dalai Lama, Tibet’s exiled Buddhist leader, and US arms sales to Taiwan. Now there are signs of a thaw.
    The US president’s stronger political position at home since his success in pushing through healthcare reform seems to have convinced the Chinese leadership that he may be a two-term president with whom they will have to deal.

    There are signs of an accord with the United States over other issues including a revaluation of the yuan, the Chinese currency, which America argues is substantially undervalued against the dollar, seriously damaging the efforts of US companies to export to China.

    Obama sounded optimistic last week after his talks with Hu that he could win international agreement for a new round of sanctions against Iran. “We’re going to ratchet up the pressure and examine how they [the Iranians] respond but we’re going to do so with a unified international community,” he said.



    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7086688.ece
     
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  3. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    It's not about oil... China shall not support sanctions on Iran in my opinion.

    Surprisingly Russia changed stance on this matter as makes China isolated regarding Iran nuclear program.
     
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    One thing that caught my eye was the news that china will send a general to israel to check israeli air force's strike capability. Why would israel show that to anyone? That they did it in iraq is proof enough of what they can do. Its a different thing that iran of today is not iraq of 80S.P but still why would israel show its capability physically? Yes it will tell the chinese the obvious which they will pass on to Iran. But the effect will be iran will take measures to counter that.
     
  5. badguy2000

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    well, I hate that foreigners pull China into the issues and affairs outside CHina.

    it is China's natural right to do business with any country according to the interest of China,instead of foreigner's interest .


    Unless Israel proves that it can provide China with more good than Iran or provide enough reward,why should CHina help Israel at the cost of CHina's interest?
     
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    Israelis will attack iran and that will disrupt your oil supply. How about that?
     
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    If Israeil could/ would do it, just do it. Why come here and beg CHinese to do this or to do that ?

    If Israel wants Chinese to stop buying oil from Iran, fine,just provide chinese with compensation.
     
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    Saudis are offering that. Oil cheaper than iran, israel, saudi, US, all on same page these days.
     
  9. badguy2000

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    anyhow, the quarrel between Jews and its neighbours is not the business of CHinese. Chinese don't want to be invovled into such quarrels.

    We Chinese just want to assure our natural right----do business freely with our clients.

    We won't check the bill of others.
     
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    Your "clients" ROTFLMAO!

    Israel sure ain't beggin' China for anything. The article says "pressures", and just as you, they believe it is their natural right to coerce the world.
     
  11. Yusuf

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    The statement you pass about china not wanting to meddle in others affairs is not consistent with big powers who always want to do that to establish its dominance. Don't tell me china doesn't want to meddle in other countries affairs. If not, drop all your pretensions to be a super power and G2 etc...
     
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    I would pi$$ at the "pressure" from jews.
     
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    Rage DFI TEAM Stars and Ambassadors

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    I'm sure you would [​IMG]

    Just don't wet your pants.
     
  14. badguy2000

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    Anyhow, East Asia is CHina's backyard, and the stablity in East Asia is very important to China. so Chna has to middle in affairs here ,such as N.Korea .

    However, CHina now doesn't be involved into nissues and hot spots outside East Asia at all,if its nature right to do business freely there can be assured.

    the only that CHinese care outside East Asia is the nature right to do business freely.

    In fact, CHina is a isolationist,extremely like USA before WW II.
     
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    Classic hypocrisy bad guy. You wouldn't mind some pie in the IOR. Once china sees strategic objectives, it will meddle everywhere. So stop your we are saints horse pucky
     
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    Your government seems to not have the same guts as you!
     
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    This is so interesting, Israelis lobbying the way they are should raise an eye brow or two in the south block. Until now I thought this sanction stuff would have been negotiated by the Americans by tightening up a few screws of the chinese on the trade front by a few blackmail tactics to which the chinese were sure to fall for but having found the Russians and the chinese a hard nut to crack, the Israelis have joined the party. Israel has to bring something really substantial to the negotiation table, so will that mean sharing of some high tech and critical know how on military hardware/software with the chinese, hmm… this space is getting a lot more interesting I guess.

    Desperation all around, a desperate obama, with a desperate Israel, not so good news for India!
     
  18. johnee

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    ^^Also, the theatre of action seems to be shifting from Astan to Iran. All these announcements of withdrawal from Astan and tightening of screws on Iran. Is something in the offing?
     
  19. johnee

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    Then, what is it about?
     
  20. amoy

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    Is Iran the only source of oil for China? Besides Saudi offers to supply cheaper substitute. And many other countries also buy Iran's oil.

    In my opinion other than sanctiions there're better solutions - diplomacy, negotiations and compromises . don't resort to sanctions so easily.

    By the way do I have to remind Israel is the world's top suspect to hold nuke weapons?
     
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    The list starts with USA and includes the P5 as well, China included. It is all double standards and every have wants the have nots to continue that way.
     

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