Israel exports military equipment to Pakistan

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  1. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Outrageous if true.

    ISLAMABAD: Israel has exported military equipment, including hi-tech gear used in combat jets over the past five years to Pakistan and Arab countries with which it has no diplomatic relations, according to a media report on Tuesday.

    The report released by Britain's Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, which deals with British government permits for arms and security equipment exports, said besides Pakistan, Israel has exported military equipment to Egypt, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates and Morocco.

    In 2011, Israel sought to purchase British components to export various systems to Pakistan, including radar systems, electronic warfare systems, head-up cockpit displays (HUDs), parts for fighter jets and aircraft engines, optic target acquisition systems, components of training aircraft, and military electronic systems.

    In 2010, Israel applied for permits to export electronic warfare systems and HUDs with British components to Pakistan, the Haaretz newspaper quoted the British government report as saying.

    The report did not mention what the components would be used for though experts said they believed most of them were meant for use in the JF-17 Thunder jets developed jointly by Pakistan and China.

    Britain's Department for Business, Innovation and Skills oversees security exports and publishes regular reports on permits granted or denied to purchase arms, military equipment or civilian items that are monitored because they can be put to security uses.

    From January 2008 to December 2012, British authorities processed hundreds of Israeli applications to purchase military items containing British components for use by the Israeli Defense Forces, or to go into systems exported to third countries

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...t-to-Pakistan-Report/articleshow/20536052.cms
     
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    Israel has long had decently good mil-to-mil and intel-to-intel relations with Pakistan, so nothing new there. What I dont get is, why does the right in India get all emotional about Israel, when Israel is by far the most practical country in the world and they have no space for emotions.

    Couple of things one needs to learn from Israel is how smartly they maneuver across the globe, how they gain influence, how they literally rule financially, these people are a very inspiring lot.
     
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    fact or disinformation by the pakis ?
     
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    I agree 100% - we need to take a leaf or a tree out of the israeli`s book... they do weave a very tight web of deception. all justified of course in the name of national interest and survival against all odds considering their neighbourhood !
     
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    Who knows Israel might have fitted some spy stuff inside. :hmm:
     
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    the spy stuff is very likely present in our israeli imports as well !
     
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    @Yusuf,

    As long as India keeps towing he line of Palestinian terrorists, Israel dows not owe India anything... Moral, Diplomatic or any other way...
     
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    BS, the US does more for Palestine than India. If Israel owes nothing to India, why did it sell on the sly and not openly?
     
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    Very true. Ambivalence & ambiguity has a price that India should be willing to pay. India cannot have the cake & eat it too.

    Regarding Pak-Israel relationship, they were partners-in-crime during the Russian occupation of Af-stan. So, not at all surprising. They were one of the biggest suppliers to China before US cut them to size, around 1995. The J-10 is supposed to be based on an Israeli design. Israelis were also interested in offering Arrow ABM system to Chinese but Uncle again blocked the deal.

    I believe, covertly Isreali, Russians & all others supply arms & tech. to many nations & entities that they do not disclose.
     
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    Unkle's Saudi/Sunni/Wahabi appeasement is about to end with it's own shale oil boom... This is Israel forcing others to pick sides. Israel also sold lots of stuff to archenemy Iran... Many people in Iran got hanged for doing business with the jews.

    Israel is just making money out of them so that when the time comes, Israel can screw them with their own money. Notice that Israel only does covert sales to radicalized nations with dwindling economy.

     
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    You are finding all kinds of reasons. I just told you US does more for Palestine than any other country in this planet. Shale oil or not. US official position is for a two state solution. It has given millions of dollars in aid to Palestine.
     
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    Possible and add US/Russia too thats why we need our own stuff... but India is their ally while Pakis made them their enemy(specially after by killing jews in 26/11)
     
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    ISPR(Inter-Services Public Relations) denies reports of Pakistan purchasing defence equipment from Israel

    RAWALPINDI: A spokesman from the media wing of the military, ISPR(Inter-Services Public Relations) has denied news reports appearing in the section of the media stating that Pakistan had purchased defence equipment from Israel.

    According to the spokesman, the reports are misleading and not based on facts.


    Israeli newspaper Haaretz quoting a report of the British government said that Israel despite not having any diplomatic ties with Pakistan had exported military equipment to the country.

    The report released by Britain’s Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said that Israel had also exported military equipment to four Arab countries.
     
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    Indeed seems like there are no high morals when it comes to business. That is fine in the name of being practical.
    But why arm a nation that grinds its teeth every hour, swearing Israel and Jews as ones of the prime enemies .. that dreams of keeping Palestine tussle alive forever for Israel like the Kashmir is for India.
    Pakistan has clear intentions of harming Israeli interests at every realistic opportunity.
    Israel arming Chile or Singapore is understandable, but Pakistan ??
     
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    to keep the pot boiling for India , which in turn purchases more Israeli arms and fills their coffers... in the ultimate analysis, when it comes to safeguarding its interests and survival Israel trusts only itself and not even the USA - they`ve conveyed this via their conduct and posture. contrast this with India which "expects the US to apply pressure on Pakistan to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure of LeT, HuJI etc..." . Quite sad really.
     
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    @Yusuf , just in case you have missed it, watch: Charlie Wilson's War
    Nice flick based on a real story about CIA operation in Af-stan. It throws some light on General Zia's (in general, Pak Army's) attitude towards Israel.
    But, do watch the "whole movie". There are lot of subtleties/make you own guess moments in the movie.
     
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    I am yet to see a single arms-exporting nation , who is not selling to both sides.
     
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    Especially the bolded part is 1000% correct sir. If israelis thought that they have no use of india either as a customer or diplomatic/strategic, they would dump us quicker than a lightning. They are into this close/mutual ally thing only and only and only for their benefit. period.
     
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    atleast in the G.I.Joe movie McCullum says "Never get caught selling arms to both sides" - looks like that`s just irrelevant advice in today`s arms bazaar :D such scenarios oly work in Cold War type geopolitical setups where it was really tough to get arms from both American and Soviet pedigree at the same time
     
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    There is nothing surprising here.

    Israel even supplied iran in its war against iraq but both sides want to keep it under wraps.

    Mistake is with us or to be more specific part of Indians who get all emotional in international geopolitics, naive fools. Face the fact that India doesn't have any true friend, were alone but have each other.
     

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