Israel-China relations focus on high technology cooperation

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    Israel-China relations growing de... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

    2011-07-07 ( cited from jpost.com and written by DAVID ROSENBERG) -- Israel-China relations, which have focused on cooperation in high technology, have shown signs of widening over the last several months to encompass closer defense and security ties, and academic exchanges, people in the small community of bilateral specialists say.

    Ehud Barak visited China in June, the first time in over a decade by a defense minister of Israel, which at one time sold over half a billion dollars of weapons to China annually before US squeezed Israel to halt those ties in the late 1990s.

    Earlier in that month, Admiral Wu Shengli of the People’s Liberation Army Navy was in Israel. Two weeks ago, Sichuan International Studies University (SISU) announced the launch of China’s first ever Israel studies program.

    "The Israeli side values the development of military exchanges and cooperation with China and wishes to work together with our Chinese friends to raise military-to-military relations to a new level," China's Defense Ministry quoted Barak as saying during the visit.

    In the economic sphere, ties are showing signs of deepening as well. On Sunday, Israel’s Industry, Trade and Labor Ministry signed a pact with National Development and Reform Commission, which will enable Israeli officials to cooperate and consult closely with China’s top economic-planning body. A week ago state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) reached the second stage of a competition to set up a joint venture factory in China to build executive jets with Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC).

    Scores of other smaller events also attest to deepening relations. Last December, a delegation of Likud Party officials led by Public Diplomacy Minister Yuli Edelstein met with their Communist Party peers in China. This autumn, the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Institute’s Center for Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) will host Chinese scholars on regional geopolitics.

    Trade has been growing enormously, expanding 28% in the first quarter of the year, compared with the same time in 2010. Still, it remains small – at $1.28 billion in the first quarter, China took just 4% of Israeli exports – but experts say that belies trade that reaches China through third countries and the extent of research and development cooperation.

    The two countries formally established diplomatic relations in 1992, nearly half century after the two states were founded. Defense ties actually flourished before that. Shrouded in secrecy, the Israeli defense sales to China were estimated at about $5.7 billion between 1984 and 1994, according to the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency.according to the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency.

    This was to culminate in a $1.2 billion deal to sell Beijing an early airborne radar system and drones, which Washington blocked in 1999. Israel paid $300 million in compensation to the Chinese. Shunning military deals in the years that followed, Israel and China embarked on cooperation in civilian technology – Israel contributing innovation and China manufacturing.
     
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    great news all civilian exchanges are very welcome
    i know of allot of Chinese involvement in infrastructure projects in Israel
    (the Carmel tunnels and south rail bid )
    live long and prosper
     
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    Israel is amazing country, many world class invitations.
     
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    the potential problem is the US will try to do something to block the 'high technology cooperation 'in some way esp when it comes to some real high tech stuff,it has nothing to do with Israel and PRC,however Israel cant afford losing the supports from the US.
     
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    May be they like it if we sell weapons to Syria, Palastein etc., The best would be to increase military to military cooperation with Iran and sell them some hard hitting technology like nukes,missiles,rockets,satellites etc.,
     
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    We should conduct joint exercises with Iran. We can call it 'Aryan Brotherhood', lol.

    But selling nukes to Iran is very bad idea. Instead we could offer them to join the GLONASS system (if Russia accepts).
     
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    Better still, sell them the Barak missile, just like Israel takes stuff from the US and sells to China! :D

    I think joint EX with Iran would be a first step to send out a strong signal.

    There is no use for GLONASS for Iran, i think will find good use for stuff like our DRDO made AWACS and missiles.
     
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    Lol, this might piss a few people off.


    Right now, Iran and most other countries depend on GPS for satellite navigation. But GPS is controlled by Yanks, so they can easily block any country's access to GPS if they want. This is the reason why China developed Beidou and Russia developed GLONASS.

    Iran already has its own indigenous missiles but I agree that they could benefit from DRDO AWACS. Their current air defence is wholly inadequate.
     
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    So how comfortable are the Israeli strategists with its state co-operating with PRC when dragon is actively helping Iran in every critical field?

    oh and btw we dont need to sell nukes to persians. China will do so in one way or another.
     
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    India | India-Iran Relations

    India seeks to bolster ties with Iran despite oil sanctions woes

    Officially, India's foreign secretary traveled to Iran to talk about a range of bilateral and international issues. But there's little doubt that behind closed doors the talks centered on how the two nations can stay cosy, even as international sanctions make it ever more difficult for India to make payments for its oil imports.

    India and Iran today discussed key bilateral, regional and international issues including combating global terrorism and energy security apart from operationalising an agreement on transfer of sentenced prisoners, according to the Press Trust of India.

    However, the top of mind question for policy wonks is can India pay the debts it owes to Iran for past purchases of crude oil, and can the lucrative trade continue amid sanctions on Iran for its alleged efforts to develop nuclear weapons, reports India's Daily News & Analysis newspaper (a.k.a. DNA).

    DNA quotes an unnamed source as saying Iran worked around the sanctions imposed on India before the Iranian revolution and sold oil to New Delhi at preferential terms, so the current regime in Tehran expects at least a bit of payback.

    “Today, India is becoming more pro-West, and Iran more non-aligned. Today, sanctions are off India’s back, but Iran struggles under them. At a time like this, the least one expects of India is to meet its debt obligations,” DNA cites the "knowledgable source" as saying.

    India and Iran are not on the brink of severing trade relations, the paper said. But the US pressure on various others -- most recently Germany -- not to convert rupees to dollars or Euros for the purpose of oil purchases for Iran has created a tough situation, with India already owing Iran billions of dollars.
     
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    India | India-Iran Relations

    India seeks to bolster ties with Iran despite oil sanctions woes

    Officially, India's foreign secretary traveled to Iran to talk about a range of bilateral and international issues. But there's little doubt that behind closed doors the talks centered on how the two nations can stay cosy, even as international sanctions make it ever more difficult for India to make payments for its oil imports.

    India and Iran today discussed key bilateral, regional and international issues including combating global terrorism and energy security apart from operationalising an agreement on transfer of sentenced prisoners, according to the Press Trust of India.

    However, the top of mind question for policy wonks is can India pay the debts it owes to Iran for past purchases of crude oil, and can the lucrative trade continue amid sanctions on Iran for its alleged efforts to develop nuclear weapons, reports India's Daily News & Analysis newspaper (a.k.a. DNA).

    DNA quotes an unnamed source as saying Iran worked around the sanctions imposed on India before the Iranian revolution and sold oil to New Delhi at preferential terms, so the current regime in Tehran expects at least a bit of payback.

    “Today, India is becoming more pro-West, and Iran more non-aligned. Today, sanctions are off India’s back, but Iran struggles under them. At a time like this, the least one expects of India is to meet its debt obligations,” DNA cites the "knowledgable source" as saying.

    India and Iran are not on the brink of severing trade relations, the paper said. But the US pressure on various others -- most recently Germany -- not to convert rupees to dollars or Euros for the purpose of oil purchases for Iran has created a tough situation, with India already owing Iran billions of dollars.
     
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    1 if PRC didnt consider the interests of Israel i m sure Iran and even Syria would get more chinese weapons......this has nothing to do with the US.....its coz Israel helped us a lot back in 1980-90s...probably even since 1970s.....

    2 PRC will not transfer military nuke techs to Iran.
     
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    Don't be a hypocrite you are involved in the Iranian nuclear program. Don't act like you are being so nice Israel should thank you.
     
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    Be realistic. Everyone knows PRC/Russia are helping Iran in Nuke program.

    Though Israel-China military co-operation isnt deep yet, how Israel plans to control Iran's influence in its region in coming future? They already got Sunburn & other potential delivery systems. This must be alarming for Israel.
     
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    1 whats ur real evidence??whats in it for PRC to arm Iran with nukes? if PRC really wants do that Iran should have had some nuke tests successful now.

    2 in this era....every nation goes for its own interests.......no one needs to thank others.... common interests make countries cooperate.....just that simple..........u indians also go for Irani oil while asking Israel to sell u new techs.........tell me who should thank u or hate u?
     
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    look at links in my previous post. India is buying oil not providing nuke, I think there is a difference between the two.
     
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    Even the IRNSS would be useful considering they are in the Indian Ocean territory.

    The Israelis even try to buddy up with Pakistan, thank Yahweh that did not work out, now they claim China is a friend of theirs? Even the Yanks are off limits when supplying mil equipment to China!
     
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    'Chinese firms helping Iran develop nucl... JPost - International

    Iran Says Chinese Give Support on Nukes

    U.S. intel official: Russia, China have been helping Iran’s nuke program since the 90s � Hot Air Headlines

    IranÂ’s nuclear program helped by China, Russia

    'U.S. believes Chinese companies are helping Iran develop nukes' - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

    China-Iran nuke pipeline - WWW.THEDAILY.COM

    'Chinese Firms Helping Iran Develop Nuclear Weapons' :: Iran Energy Project


    Financial gains, leverage, troubles for US.

    Maybe they already do or maybe not. Even we didn't know when Pak tested nuclear device with help of chinese a decade before India conducted nuclear tests.

    Works well for us in energy co-operation. No military technology is shared with Iran that can disturb Israel.
     
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    Why would china be dependent on Israeli high tech inductions in still a head scratcher for me. CIA and Mossad have a long standing tradition of covert assistance and I'm still not sure how this does not pose an issue for China- even if we are led to believe this is an civilian high tech cooperation only. the article states that there have been and continue to be a level of transfer on defense related deals too...
     

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