Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet

[Armand2REP]

I said it before and i am saying it again if Israel thinks that the ship posses threat to its national security it has every right to search the ship. and yes, aid workers may not be proved as hamas but aiding the terrorist also considered as terrorism.

It has no right to search the ship until it enters their waters. End of story.

 

[plugwater]

so let us get one thing straight , who attacked whom ? ,did those activist on board the ship attack IDF first or IDF attacked first?

okay here is the story
1. Flotillas tried to overrun the Israeli naval blockade
2. Israel wanted to search the ships
but activists refused to stop the ships.
3. Israel heli-dropped the marines and the activists started to attack the marines
4. So running out of option Israel retaliated and 10 plus activists ended up dead.

 

[plugwater]

It has no right to search the ship until it enters their waters. End of story.

Yes it has, incase of national security threat.

 

[Armand2REP]

Yes it has, incase of national security threat.

Not according to the UNSC... we determine what is legal or not.

UN Security Council 'condemns' fatal raid on flotilla

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/01/gaza.raid.resolution/

 

[ahmedsid]

I dont know, If Knives and Forks and all can be termed as weapons and confiscated. Already the Ship was facing lots of pressure from the Navy. Many of the peace activists are actually not peaceful, they are aggressive for sure, once they heard the first shot, they understood, knives and forks it is.

To be frank, the majority of the people on the ship didnt atttack in the beginning, maybe one guy attacked, and the commandos shot him down, while they could have restrained him. This led to the others thinking, no use being peaceful when you are going to die anyways, and hell broke loose!

Israel had no right to board a ship in International Waters, because this is not a weapons smuggling ship, because it would ruin the image of the folks inside, which include prominent people, including parliamentarians. And besides, it was supported by Greece(not that openly) and Turkey and any weapons onboard would seem to be bad for them. Hence, the weapons smuggling part I dismiss, until and unless there is Solid Evidence.

This was just a show of force by Israel, and they done care about World Opinion or anything. They are not a normal state in all honesty, when it comes to such stuff. They ll just tell the guys yelling unfair to STFU, because they know nothings gonna happen to them.

About, Pakistan and Israel being compared, one Similarity I can see is that, Both are unsure of their Existence, and would go to any extreme to take down the world with them, if their existence is unsure.

 

[plugwater]

Not according to the UNSC... we determine what is legal or not.

UN Security Council 'condemns' fatal raid on flotilla

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/01/gaza.raid.resolution/

Nobody cares what a gutless organization like the UN, with more blood on its hands than most, has to say about anything.

 

[ahmedsid]

Nobody cares what a gutless organization like the UN, with more blood on its hands than most, has to say about anything.

More blood on its hands? Thats a gross misstatement!!! The UN is powerless, and if it cannot stop any Violence, its not its Fault, its the Fault of the Agrressor. It couldnt Stop the Iraq War, whose fault was it? UNs? No!! It was the United States hands which has the blood! Its The Individual countries which has blood on their hands, not the UN Collectively. The UN has done good too, we should remember that. God Speed

 

[plugwater]

More blood on its hands? Thats a gross misstatement!!! The UN is powerless, and if it cannot stop any Violence, its not its Fault, its the Fault of the Agrressor. It couldnt Stop the Iraq War, whose fault was it? UNs? No!! It was the United States hands which has the blood! Its The Individual countries which has blood on their hands, not the UN Collectively. The UN has done good too, we should remember that. God Speed

okay. i accept. but UN must take fair share of responsibility by not controlling these aggressor nations.

 

[ahmedsid]

okay. i accept. but UN must take fair share of responsibility by not controlling these aggressor nations.

Easy to blame!! Can you come up with one solution as to how UN could have stopped Bush and the US from going to war? I dont think you can give one plausible solution, yet you can blame on We all love blaming, dont we?

Like Singh Said, Palestenians dont need Media Coverage or News Headlines, they need SOLUTIONS!! Its hight time for that, otherwise terrorists will keep on spawning, citing such ship raids and more! Innocents will die for no fault of theirs, while leaders sit in their bunkers!

 

[Armand2REP]

Nobody cares what a gutless organization like the UN, with more blood on its hands than most, has to say about anything.

If nobody cares about the UNSC, why does India want a permanent seat?

 

[plugwater]

If nobody cares about the UNSC, why does India want a permanent seat?

We are going off the topic here. Everybody knows many countries does not give a flying fvck about what UN has to say.

 

[Oracle]

Under fire Israel defends itself over Gaza aid ship attack

Israel on Monday offered a vigorous defence before the United Nations Security Council over its deadly overnight raid on a flotilla of ships carrying aid bound for Gaza.

Israel's Deputy United Nations. Ambassador Daniel Carmon took to the floor of the international body to fire back against the idea that the ships were peaceful, unarmed and humanitarian.

Fox News quoted him as saying, "What kind of peace activists use knives, clubs and fire from weapons stolen from soldiers to attack soldiers who board a ship in accordance with international law?"

Ambassador Carmon was reacting a day after Israeli commandos attacked a Gaza-bound aid flotilla carrying 10,000 tons of aid destined for the blockaded Gaza Strip.

According to an Al Jazeera report, people across the world have protested against the attack on an aid-carrying convoy bound for Gaza that left several pro-Palestinian activists on board dead and many more injured.

The Freedom Flotilla, a convoy of six ships carrying hundreds of activists, politicians and journalists from across the world, was trying to break the Israeli blockade on Gaza and deliver about 10,000 tonnes of basic aid including food, medicine, and construction material.

United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki Moon said he was "shocked by reports of killings and injuries" and called for a full investigation.

Several countries have called for urgent meetings on Israel's lethal use of force.

Arab states, most of which were already in an uneasy peace with Israel, were said to be furious over the incident.

The European Union's 27 nations issued their own statement against the raid.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Israel had 'lost all legitimacy' because of the raid.

Carmon, however, maintained that the flotilla turned down repeated requests from Israeli troops to stand down for inspection in accordance with international laws. He characterised the incident on the ship as a 'lynch' on Israeli soldiers.

"The results of Monday night's events are tragic and unfortunate, and Israel deeply regrets any loss of innocent lives, but it cannot compromise its security. Nobody would," he said.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/...-defends-itself-over-gaza-aid-ship-attack.htm

 

[plugwater]

Israel processes Gaza activists, eyes new aid ship

While Israel's diplomats worked on damage control, its navy said it was braced to intercept another aid ship that could reach the waters of the Gaza Strip, an enclave run by Hamas Islamists, later on Tuesday or on Wednesday.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.as...1_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-489269-12&sec=Worldupdates

 

[bhramos]

Turkish TV reveals a tape showing a list extracted from one of the attacked IDF soldiers, showing pics of the must-kill personnel on board:


both sides show different videos.

 

[ejazr]

Some people I'm afraid are misled by Israeli propaganda on what the mainstream Arab government take is on Israel. The point is NOT weather Israel has a right to exist or not. All Arab governments under the 2002 peace plan initiative HAVE agreed to grant recognition to Israel and affirm its right to exist. Even HAMAS has agreed to recognize Israel once they withdraw to the pre-1967 borders. Even the right of return of Palestinian refugees was hinted at being given up. This was a PATH BREAKING event and a true working initiative.

Read the entire document here. Especially for the skeptics. There is no evidence to say that the Arabs are out to destroy Israel and do accept its right to exist given that this document was passed by the Arab league, the Palestinian authority and was finally even agreed by the HAMAS now. IF HAMAS is ready to accept Israel, what more would they want?
http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/league/peace02.htm

The only thing preventing the implementation is the WITHDRAWAL of Israeli forces from West Bank and Gaza. But before that can happen we need political will shown from the US.

 

[bhramos]

a real video from inside the ship.


this video clearly shows the peace attacking the Army personol first.

 

[ajtr]

Both were created on a political religious ideology - the only states created by partitioning the regions by the British.

Does it warranty any worth of read? British did not give freedom to Israel, Israel snatched it, won it.

Ejaz is right when he says both pakistan and israel were created by paritioning the region based on religion by british and it was also the part of "The Great Game " .And there was deep thinking of british(Anglo-Saxon) in doing so:
1.control the Mediterrian and the gulf oil resources by being junior partner to usa
2.To drive away European Jews to new state of israel.

Thus by doing so British killed two birds with single stone.....

1. cleared europe of most of it jews thus converting christian-jew conflict into muslim-jew conflict of Middle-east.
2.Israel serves same purpose for Anglo-saxon what pakistan does for them in south asia.The 1967 and 1973 israel-arab war was was one another step to impose israel hegemony in middle-east by anglo-saxon...Same as in case of pakistan....but then india always defeated those plans of great games hence to balance out india pakistan was allowed to have nukes by anglo-saxons in 1980....1998 tests by vajpayee was another master stroke to defeat the great game in south asia. It forced pakistan to conduct tests and now pakistani nukes instead of becoming headache to india are now major headache for the Anglo-Saxon today through their terrorists

 

[ajtr]

Attack or no attack turkey gonna gain a lot from this incident. Turkey has been trying or rather i say i been promoted by NATO to take over the role of major power to balance out iran in middle-east.USA is moving away from sunni/wahabi islamists country as ally.that was another reason for attack on iraq.usa is looking to make a united shia block in middle-east which will encompass iran but only after some kind of revolution in iran. Hezbollah uses the sea route to bring in military supplies covertly from Iran and other places.This blockade by Israel prevents that. The issue is not of food supplies getting through. Israel allows that through several points on the demarcation line into gaza.The thing is that these guys wanted to create an international incident that'll shame israel, and cause the US to stay neutral should the issue of lifting off that blockade come up in the UN. As it is President Obama's ambivalence on strong relations and unquestioned support of Israel is giving ideas to the arabs and the turks in the middle east.Whoever planned this was hoping that several peace-nicks will get killed and an international incident will be created. The ultimate aim is to re-open the sea route to military supplies to gaza. There would be several armed expatriate palestinian amongst the peacenick crowd - the kind that are seen throwing stones, fire bombs etc during protests in the palestinian territories.

 

[ejazr]

Does it warranty any worth of read? British did not give freedom to Israel, Israel snatched it, won it.

Well Israel, was "created" by UN resolutions passed by UK, US and USSR. Many countries opposed it on the ground that it was communal and Iran, India and Argentina if I'm not mistaken proposed a unitary secular state with autonomous regions were Jews and Palestinians would be in majority. This was followed by military aid by UK and US as well as monetary and military aid by other EU countries particularly Germany. Also note that just like British had total control over the subcontinent, it was the same under the Palestine mandate where they were the dominant force from Egypt to Jordan. Moreover, the Balfour declaration reaffirms the political religious ideology. Also please do read "how" Israel was created there. It was to be the "Jewish majority" parts of Palestine. Sounds familiar to the "muslim majority" parts of India should become Pakistan rhetoric doesn't it?

But on the other hand what you say is probably how the official Israeli history may be portrayed. This is infact a similarity with Pakistan again. Even their history books claim that Jinnah and the ML had to "snatch" Pakistan from both the British and the Congress ("hindu" congress if you will). And even after gaining Pakistan after all odds and fighting on "two" fronts, India attacked Pakistan right after independence (read Kashmir) but they still succeeded in gaining some ground i.e. "Freed" Gilgit Balitistan and their part of Kashmir.

 

[AJSINGH]

^^^^^India under nehru supported Israel ,so did the RSS