Israel Attacked Sudan Arms Factory?

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    (Reuters) - Sudan said on Wednesday that an Israeli air strike had caused the huge explosion and fire at an arms factory in Khartoum that killed two people, but Israel's defense minister declined to comment.


    Sudan blames Israeli air strike hit for munitions plant blasts | Reuters
    Sudan, which analysts say is used as an arms-smuggling route to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip via neighboring Egypt, has blamed Israel for such strikes in the past, but Israel has either refused to comment or said it neither admitted or denied involvement.

    Asked by Israel's Channel Two News about Sudan's accusations, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said: "There is nothing I can say about this subject."

    A huge fire broke out late on Tuesday at the Yarmouk arms factory in the south of the capital which was rocked by several explosions, witnesses said. Firefighters took more than two hours to extinguish the fire at Sudan's main factory for ammunition and small arms.

    "Four military planes attacked the Yarmouk plant ... We believe that Israel is behind it," Information Minister Ahmed Belal Osman told reporters, adding that the planes appeared to approach the site from the east.

    "Sudan reserves the right to strike back at Israel," he said, adding that two citizens had been killed and the plant had been partially destroyed. Another person was seriously injured, he said.

    Around 300 people gathered at the courtyard of a government building where the Sudanese cabinet was in an emergency meeting, shouting "Death to Israel" and "Remove Israel from the map."

    "Israel is a country of injustice that needs to be deterred," Vice President Ali Osman Taha, standing next to President Omar Hassan al-Bashir, told the crowd. "This attack only strengthens our firmness."

    The governor of Khartoum state initially had ruled out any "external" cause for the blast but officials later showed journalists a video from the vast site. A huge crater could be seen next to two destroyed buildings and what appeared to be a rocket lying on the ground.

    Osman said an analysis of rocket debris and other material had shown that the attack was engineered by Israel, which Sudan views as an enemy.

    Sudan's U.N. Ambassador Daffa-Alla Elhag Ali Osman called on the U.N. Security Council to condemn the attack "because it is a blatant violation of the concept of peace and security."

    "It jeopardizes peace and security in the entire region, not just in Sudan," he told the council during a briefing on U.N. peacekeepers in Darfur. "We call on you to stop foreign hands from meddling in the Darfur conflict and to help Sudan arrive at a final solution that would maintain peace and security."

    NOT FIRST ACCUSATION

    Several residents living near the factory told Reuters they had heard planes or missiles before there was a huge explosion.

    "I heard a sound like a plane or missile and then the sky was lit up and a huge explosion occurred," a resident who declined to be identified said. "There was a big fire and several subsequent explosions."

    Two other residents said buildings near the plant had suffered minor damage.

    Soldiers blocked access to the gated plant where the main buildings are located away from the main street, making it difficult to assess the damage when a Reuters reporter visited the area after the midnight blast and on Wednesday morning.

    In May, Sudan's government said one person had been killed after a car exploded in the eastern city of Port Sudan. It said the explosion resembled a blast last year that it had blamed on an Israeli missile strike.

    Israel declined to comment on the May incident or the 2011 blast, which killed two people and neither admitted nor denied involvement in a similar incident in eastern Sudan in 2009.

    The information minister declined to say whether any weapons from Yarmouk had ended up in Gaza, saying that only "traditional weapons in line with international law" were produced there.

    Major damage to the Yarmouk plant would be a blow to Sudan's army in its battle against insurgencies in the western region of Darfur and the southern states of South Kordofan and Blue Nile, bordering arch-rival South Sudan.

    In 1998, the United States fired missiles at the El Shifa medicine factory in Khartoum. U.S. officials said it was producing chemical weapons ingredients and was partly owned by Osama bin Laden, who once lived in Khartoum. Sudan insisted the plant made only pharmaceuticals.

    The attack followed the bombings of U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Sudan's neighbor Kenya, which killed at least 226 people, including 12 Americans. The attacks were blamed on al Qaeda.

    (Additional reporting by Maayan Lubell in Jerusalem and Michelle Nichols at the United Nations; Writing by Edmund Blair and Ulf Laessing; Editing by Michael Roddy; desking by Christopher Wilson)

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-sudan-planes-idUSBRE89N0WU20121024
     
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    If true, my first reaction would be - Israelis have balls of steel.

    Now compare the scenario with india.
    - Pakistan uses nepal to infiltrate.
    - Bangladeshis dont need anyone else to infiltrate, they just jump over to this side of the border.
    - China has been supporting maoists and other insurgensies in the north-east.
    - Sri Lankans kill our fisherman for shooting practice.

    and all that we do is to hand over Dossiers, provide them with maps indicating terrorists hideouts, register our political melodramatic condemnation, and then what.

    Our politicians should learn a thing or two from US. They knew that pakistanis will never co-operate so they took out Osama on their own, and they got to this conclusion within a decade. We, On the other side, have been experiencing pakistan & all its endeavors to harm India for 65 years and yet we send the dossiers in silver platters HOPING & EXPECTING that they would have a change of heart after a miracle and would do something while our people die.
    Great going.
     
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    India's Patience does not mean that it is coward....

    We are waiting for the right time........
     
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    There's a very fine line between patience & negligence.
     
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    Well the war was at brink and IAF was ready to strike, but U.S. did not want that to happen and help INDIA, during the 26/11. The generals in pakistan were pissing in their pants as soon as the Home Minister said all options are open. The U.S. calmed down Government of INDIA. If not for Americas request, the PoK would have come under INDIA now.........
     
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    Israel Mum on Mystery Explosion in Sudan - ABC News

     
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    does it mean, Zionists will attack any country in the world?

    first Iraq, then Syria and twice Sudan.

    Aren't these countries Sovereign?
     
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    well, sir, i would try telling that reason to one of the victim's family.

    Yes they are, but that doesn't mean that any country can allow its territory to be used in plotting against other countries which is exactly what pakistan has been doing with us. Now if we have another Mumbai like attack on our country, would you be giving the same arguement that 'its a soveriegn country and we should do nothing'..?
     
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    They even bomb French observers, there isn't much you can do when they are backed by Yankees.
     
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    We'll see how much bombing israel does once iran has nukes!

    Israel is backed by the west while India is opposed by the west to take out the same terrorists.
     
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    China is not backed by the west! Try doing something inside China and China will show you how to do things without west's backing...
    Why hide India's incompetence and blame it on the west...
     
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    China has nukes.

    All of our enemies either have nukes or are backed by those that have nukes.
     
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    China will still not care...whether their enemies have nukes or not...try doing something inside China...they will still teach a lesson to whoever it is...

    Edit: I didn't know Bangladesh had nukes... Don't tell me there is no infiltration from B'desh..
     
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    INDIA does not have the urge of killing innocent people..... That is the reason we do not opt for first strike with a NUCLEAR MISSILE.......

    On the other hand both chinese and pakistanis do not hesitate to do that.........
     
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    But we did nothing aftermath 26/11 because of so-called US pressure. Being a sovereign country, how can we succumb to others pressure in terms of internal security?

    If we have another 26/11, expect statements such as 'all options open" from HM but not a war.
     
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    Were not those killed in Mumbai (26/11) innocent. Inaction is a sin too.
    There are only a handful of nations, that know the proper cure for Radical Islamic BS, Russia and Israel are among those nations.
     
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    Easy solution is to become an atheist state. Best solution is to stop NGO's using foreign funds.
     
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    Talking about everything is easy in a forum, but at the international level to implement the same is very difficult due to the POLITICAL PRESSURE some countries force on INDIA to strike pakistan. One among them is U.S., which does not allow INDIA to strike pakistan. We have to have something in return to pressurize them to attack pakistan. Does INDIA have anthing like that. Other countries like China is also against any attack against pakistan, China has VETO in U.N. and this may have a large impact on bringing another ARMS EMBARGO to INDIA, in the larger picture.
     
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    Forget Iran, lets talk about the results of Bombay bomb blasts, Mumbai local train bomb blasts, Jaipur bomb blasts, Pune bomb Blasts, Delhi Serial bomb Blasts, Hyderabad bomb Blasts, Delhi Jama Masjid Tourist Attacks, Dawood Ibrahim & 26/11 among others.

    When did India even try to do so to be opposed.

    You & I have the same point here but different words.

    I don't understand the obsession with US of some members here. US is not India's guardian and we don't need its permission "TO ALLOW" us what to do & what not to do in our national interest. Period.
    US opposed us in 1971 too but we did what we had to do nevertheless.

    OTOH, India's political clout has always been a reason to envy for our western neighbour. We could gather international support be it during or after the 71 war or Kargil unlike Pakistan.
    I can also remember that the Indian Armed Forces made the first strikes on two occassions, Goa & Siachen, and these territories are still with India, right. So much to say for the political clout of India.

    And I don't mean a war with pakistan or china.. I'm not an Indian version of Shriman Zayed Zaman Hamid Ji... :laugh:
    But seriously, i just want India to develop a backbone and stand for its citizens taking Israel as an example. Every country has a threshold of withstanding attacks, direct or indirect, on its citizens from elements outside. Its only India, I believe, without bounds.
     
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