Islamization of Bangladesh Is it a threat to India?

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  1. A.V.

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    Who cares what happens beyond the borders. Let them all Islamize,Christianize, Hinduise or even feminise for all I care.

    The only problem is when illegal migration of Bangla Muslims take place and changing the demography/social balance in the border region in Assam and West Bengal.
     
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    yes , it is a serious threat
     
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    It is a threat but by calling them radicals, those who aren't today would also start behaving so (towards us for sure).
    We aren't as late with Bangladesh as we are with Pakistan now.
    I don't know what the PMO wanted to achieve by tagging 25 % of Bangaldesh as radicals.
    Were they trying to woo the remaining 75 % ?
    Even if they are, for geopolitik sake some things are better left unsaid. Its like you stop dealing with bad people and eventually end up having no one to do business with.

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    Sorry for Offtopic :

    But this is what is exactly happening in India today and the consequence being the Right wing increasing exponentially.

    Atleast lets not make the same mistake with BD.
     
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    It is a serious threat. HuJI is very active there and a lot of terror attacks on India was traced to them. SIMI too has links with them. HuJI is AQ affiliate.

    What happens beyond our borders sure does concern us and we cannot remain oblivious to that.

    The govt there right now is well disposed towards us. We should use it to make sure our nation is secured from those extremists.

    Illegal immigration is another issue altogether and also a serious one. There is a thread on that topic too.
     
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    It depends. It is not a threat if done properly. India needs to support and fund secularism, and if Islamization becomes a tendency in those lands than India should also hold the capability to transform such Islamization into a tolerant and inclusive movement by promoting a secular brand 'Islamization'. India needs to establish links and start sowing seeds of transparency and openness in all the political parties there.

    Also, the only demographic changes due to Bangladeshi refugees are in non-Bengali areas such as Assam. People moving from East Bengal to West Bengal is not really an ethnic demographic change, they are the same people. I think such movement of people can be beneficial to India in the long run if the GoI officially sanctions such allowing a two way trade where India opens up to the Bangladesh as long as Bangladesh opens up to India. Its a win-win; a slap in the face of the 2 nation theory, and aswell as a method to greatly dissipate Pakistani influence in Bagladesh.
     
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    And how can you do that when Islam is avowedly anti-secular. The state and the religion are the same thing. The whole religion is about gearing society up to take over the state and install sharia law. And you are going to introduce a 'secular' version of that? Really - do tell.

    Islam sees India as a hindu nation, worse than Christian and Jews, because Hindis are polytheists, who do not even have the option to surrender under Islamic law, only to die. India has a large Islamic population so likes to pretend that this is not a problem, but it absolutely is. So yes, another bloc falling to Islam is bad news for India.
     
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    You only need the brains to control an ideology and morph it for your benefit. The Saudis have done this marvelously; are you telling me you cannot match the intellect of the Saudis?


    Also, not to offend anybody, but atleast in my opinion, the Sharia law itself is but a controlling tool designed by the power holders of the time. The hadiths which breed most of the aspects of Sharia are but a medieval compilation of laws which the rulers, namely the Abbasid Caliphate, saw fit to rule over the masses. I doubt the accuracy and the authenticity of any such works complied at such a turbulent time.
     
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    Can I match the intellect of the Saudis? What an odd question. I can certainly hold the idiots up in my own society as beyond parallel, unmatched in their manifest foolishness.

    Islam is not 'morphable' - it is not capable of reform. There is even a doctrine against innovation. Sharia is no longer a medieval compilation of anything, but a very well defined set of rules which exists today - all of which agree that all societies save as for Islam must be destroyed, and that it is 'fard ayn' obligatory for all muslims to be involved in this effort.

    The only form of Islam that preaches non-violence are the Ahmidaya's and they are branded as apostates and killed for saying that Islam should be non-violent. If you were to get on a soap box in pakistan and start preaching that Islam is non-violent, that unbelievers are equal and that Islam is a religion of peace, you could measure your life in seconds not days.
     
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    Sharia law or not, but Islam is definitely more dogmatic than any other religious ideology

    Here is a map showing % of non-religious people per/country

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    Bangladesh is surrounded on 3 sides by India and on one side by the ocean, if that country goes down then it will have serious effect on India. We can't shut our doors to Bangladesh and contain the problem within their borders. But I don't think India should openly support any group, that would just become a liability for any moderate group. We can only hope the moderate forces in Bangladesh is stronger than they were in Pakistan.
     
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    Understand the Sheppard, not the sheep!

    When Saudi brand starts spreading among even the non-Muslims, as represented in your statement above, it goes to show that the Saudis are doing a marvelous job (for themselves)!

    Imitate the Sheppard, not the sheep!

    Its not the only brand of Islam which teaches that, nor are Ahmediya's killed solely for that reason. They are killed, because they live in a socially degraded society called Pakistan, which segregates and discriminates all its minorities.
     
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    Lurker, this map is more of a portrayal of the economical and social development of societies rather than ideology.

    China's trend is greatly skewed for the fact that under Communism, they propagated 'atheism' as their state policy. In the 1960s, Mao's Cultural Revolution happened, in which they bulldozed and destroyed most of their temples and their religious institutions.
     
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    The fears of extremism in Bangladesh are also a reaction of the realization that Bangladesh is not as pro-India as was in 1971 era.
    To some extent we are seeing their anti-India stand as their Islamic extremism. While both are possible, they aren't the same.
    But like I said before, a lot of forces in our smaller neighboring countries are fond of demonizing India as the giant Gabbar in a "So ja beta, nahi to gabbar a jaega" (or rather - jaag ja) scenario.
    Its is an old & easy diversionary tactic of politics.

    Regards,
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