Islamabad uses UN seat to corner India over Kashmir

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    Pakistan's dirty diplomacy: Islamabad uses UN seat to corner India over Kashmir, as leaders insist Army 'never' mutilates corpses

    Pakistan's offer to India to let the UN probe the brutal killing of the two Indian soldiers in Mendhar is a well thought out diplomatic ploy.

    Pakistan assumed rotational presidency of the UN Security Council on January 1 and this month is crucial. It was planning special sessions on peacekeeping and counter-terrorism, and its offer for a UN probe was aimed at leveraging its position as the UN Security council chair, where this incident near the Line of Control could have been used to reinforce the centrality of the Kashmir issue.

    Conventionally it is the Chair of the UN Security Council that decides the agenda of the council and, since rules of procedure of the UNSC are loosely governed, Islamabad could press for a discussion on the issue.
    Army personnel and villagers carry the coffin of Lance Naik Hemraj Singh during his funeral procession in Mathura district, Uttar Pradesh

    Army personnel and villagers carry the coffin of Lance Naik Hemraj Singh during his funeral procession in Mathura district, Uttar Pradesh

    Sources said they were expecting a move by Islamabad to use its month-long UNSC presidency in January to embarrass India, and this incident could have been a good trigger.

    With elections due in Pakistan, it also suits the Pakistani government to play up the Kashmir issue. Diplomatic sources told Mail Today that for many years India has resisted Pakistan's attempts to use the UN to raise Kashmir, and by letting the UN probe the case it would give sanctity to a UN role in the whole process.

    In any case the UN resolutions are only recommendations and require the cooperation of both sides. They do not fall under Chapter 7, which would make any course of action suggested by the UN Security Council obligatory.

    Pakistan said it was prepared to hold investigations through the UN Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) which has a presence on both sides of line of control. Diplomatic sources said there is no UN role, and even the UN military observer group on India and Pakistan has only a symbolic presence in India. New Delhi does not consider their reports or assessments.
    Saluting the brave: Madhya Pradesh chief minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan pays floral tributes to Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh during his last rites at Dadhiya village in Sidhi district

    Saluting the brave: Madhya Pradesh chief minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan pays floral tributes to Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh during his last rites at Dadhiya village in Sidhi district
    Academic exercise

    "Their role ended after the 1972 Simla accord, they were only tasked to monitor ceasefire of 1948. We don't take cognisance of anything they do, they may file a report but that will be academic in nature," a government source told Mail Today.

    Pakistan prime minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf will be in New York to chair the January 21 open debate on 'UN Peacekeeping: a multidimensional approach' and Pakistan's foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar will chair a ministerial level session on January 15 on counter-terrorism.

    Pakistan began its two-year term as non-permanent member of the 15-nation Security Council last year and will be the president of the UN body for the month of January for the first time during its present term.

    Sources said that under the agenda of continuing threats and challenges posed by international terrorism, and the best ways of formulating and implementing coherent and comprehensive responses, the country plans to portray itself as the victim of terrorism which it is trying to combat.

    The UN Security Council has five veto-holding permanent members - the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China - and 10 nations that are elected as non-permanent members without veto.

    India has rejected outright Pakistan's proposal for a UN investigation into Tuesday's incident on the LoC, in which two Indian soldiers were killed and the body of one badly mutilated.
    No to UN inquiry

    The issue figured at a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) which was briefed by defence minister A.K. Antony on the incident in Jammu and Kashmir's Poonch sector on January 8 and the subsequent developments.

    Based on a Foreign Office assessment of Pakistan's ploy, the government rejected it publicly as well. But New Delhi is also bracing to halt any such resolution or discussion by reaching out to friendly countries.

    "We are certainly not going to agree to internationalise the issue or allow the United Nations to hold an inquiry. That demand is obviously rejected out of hand," finance minister P. Chidambaram, who in the past has been consistent on a tough stand with Pakistan, said.

    At the last session of the UN General Assembly in 2012 there was a verbal duel between the two countries when Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari raised the Kashmir issue under the UN resolution.

    "Kashmir remains a symbol of failures, rather than strengths of the UN system," Zardari had said.

    Reacting to this, the then external affairs minister S.M. Krishna trashed Zardari's remarks on Kashmir as "unwarranted".
    Cornering India

    "Let me also make it absolutely clear that Jammu and Kashmir is neither an integral part of India nor has it ever been," the then Pakistani envoy Raza Bashir Tarar had told the 193-member Assembly.

    He had also said the disputed status of Jammu and Kashmir had been set out in Security Council resolutions and agreed upon by both Pakistan and India.

    Clearly South Block expects that Islamabad will rake up the 1948 UNSC resolution on Kashmir demanding a plebiscite, and will seek to corner India.

    Politicians defend Pakistan Army's actions

    By Javid Ansari in Lahore
    Former Pakistani foreign minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri

    Former Pakistani foreign minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri

    Amid outrage in India over the inhuman and brutal killing of two Indian soldiers at the Line of Control (LoC), senior political and religious leaders in Pakistan defended the country's army. They also asked for the process to continue and demanded an impartial, international inquiry into the incident.

    Like most others in the Pakistani establishment, former foreign minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri sought to internationalise the incident by calling for the United Nations (UN) or independent observers to probe these "counter narratives" on both the sides.

    "Let it be investigated by the independent UN observers to verify the counter versions of both India and Pakistan," Kasuri said.

    He also defended the Pakistan Army, describing the mutilation and killing of the Indian soldiers as something "the Pakistani army never does".

    "The mutilation of a body isn't tolerable and the Pakistan Army doesn't do something like this. We've had five wars - two small and three big - since independence, but we haven't done anything such as this before. Both these (India and Pakistan) are professional armies that fully follow the laid out international conventions," Kasuri said.

    Kasuri even tried to downplay the incident by asking everyone to look at it in a wider context.

    "If one looks at the timeline and sequence; before this incident Pakistan itself has had an incident (at LoC) with three of its soldiers. One of them died, one was critical and another one was injured," he said.

    The ex-minister also defended the VIP treatment received by Former Pakistan foreign minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri. Once again, he asked the Indian government to give credible and actionable evidence to the Pakistani government.

    "Our judiciary is most independent. It takes on politicians and everyone but we would need proper evidence to ensure that action can be taken against Saeed. We arrested him in the past but he was let off because of a lack of evidence by the courts. The Indian government can provide us evidence and we will surely take action against him," he said.

    His view was echoed by conservative cleric Tahir Ashrafi, who is the chairman of the ulema council in Pakistan. He described the incident as unfortunate but said the peace process must continue.

    "It is unfortunate, but there is no alternative to peace. Pakistani army doesn't do something like this," Ashrafi said, hinting at some non-state actors in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

    Kasuri added that there were "lunatics on both sides of the border" who did not want the peace process to continue and asked both the countries to not let them succeed.

    Shinde points at Saeed's LoC visit before the attack

    By Abhishek Bhalla in New Delhi

    Recent developments in Jammu and Kashmir and all along the India-Pakistan border prior to the killing of two Indian Army soldiers had given an indication of an impending offensive from Pakistan to the security establishment.

    Highly placed sources said the situation all along the India-Pakistan border has been volatile since the hanging of 26/11 terrorist Ajmal Qasab. It's not just along the Line of Control (LoC) where there was a discernible spurt in activity.

    Intelligence inputs had given indications of terror groups being active on the Punjab border as well. Sources in the security establishment said there has been a constant flow of intelligence inputs regarding terror groups from Pakistan, supported by the Pakistan Army, making attempts to avenge Qasab's hanging.
    Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde
    26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed

    Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde said activity by Pakistani terrorists (including 26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed, pictured right) is on the rise.

    With infiltration from the LoC on the rise, the Indian forces in December had launched major operations that resulted in neutralising of 14 terrorists.

    "This proved to be a major setback for the terrorists. According to our assessment, infiltration was on the rise and that is why encounters took place and militants were killed," home minister Sushil Kumar Shinde said.

    Shinde also said there is information that 26\11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed was in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir close to the Poonch sector days before the encounter between Indian and Pakistani armies took place.

    "We know that he interacted with some people there and we are keen on getting more details about his role," he said.

    However, sources in the home ministry said according to a preliminary report prepared by the Intelligence Bureau this was the job of the Pakistan Army and not a terror group.

    Away from the LoC, activities on the Punjab border are also being closely watched by intelligence agencies. The threat from Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) or the Pakistani Taliban since the hanging of Qasab has been taken very seriously by the Indian intelligence agencies.

    According to reports, the group has traditionally functioned on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, but of late there have been indications that it is setting up base in the Punjab province in Pakistan.

    The TTP is being supported by other terror groups such as Lashkar-e- Tayyeba in setting up a base close to the Indian border. The Border Security Force (BSF) guarding the border has been put on high alert following the brutal killing of two Indian Army soldiers.

    "We have been maintaining a strong vigil as intelligence inputs about infiltration from across the border have been increasing," a senior officer from BSF said.

    Meanwhile, the Cabinet Committee on Security was briefed about the incident by defence minister A.K. Antony. It was decided in the meeting that India will not accept Pakistan's proposal of a United Nations probe into the Mendhar killings.


    Pakistan troops 'congratulated' for the killings

    By Shiv Aroor in Mendhar (J&K)

    Intelligence agencies have intercepted an audio communication in which a Pakistan Army unit is purportedly congratulating another one after the Mendhar incident on January 8.

    The conversation between the two units also includes "something about a third unit" deployed along the LoC, indicating that more such attacks could take place in the border sectors, intelligence sources said.

    The latter part of the audio intercept is disjointed and hence insufficient to pinpoint the area in which the third unit is located, sources said.

    Though the crucial audio intercepts point to Pakistan's hand in the attack, there are questions over whether India can use them as evidence against its neighbour, considering Islamabad's non-cooperative nature on such issues.

    Pakistan's dirty diplomacy: Islamabad uses UN seat to corner India over Kashmir, as leaders insist Army 'never' mutilates corpses | Mail Online
     
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  3. Tronic

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    Can't complain now.. we voted for them and supported their seat.

    Ironical though, how the stereotype of the "sly baniya" applies more to Pakistan, than India.
     
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    Why is this even relevant? Let them do whatever they want. The UN has become like a piece of rotten banana peel. India should simply be on the lookout and carry out major attacks on a few Pakistani posts with heavy casualties to them, given the first sign of complacency on the Pakistani side, and make the scores uneven in favour of India.

    Oh, reaction from UN? Just ignore it. It's not worth anything more than a fleeting attention.
     
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    And both the UN and US puts Pakistan in the corner, but telling them to talk instead.
     
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    The whole of UN cant corner India on kashmir what will pakis corner.
     
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    Once again a shallow ploy to internationalize K issue by loser Pakis but its going to bite dust again.

    After Osama Drama everyone has known what terrorist state Pakis is and has no credibility.
     
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    And even after that snubbing by US/UN Pakis are STILL crying for UN.

    UN is a Useless Nation org.
     
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    If the UN is so useless, why does India want a permanent UNSC seat so badly?
     
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    Isn't it obvious ? To make it useful rather than let it remain useless.
     
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    lol. So the UN is useless if India is not a permanent member, but it magically becomes useful once India does become a permanent member?
     
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    C'mon dude. You gotta admit @The Messiah has made a very clever and witty remark.
     
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    we aswell voted for india

    india if you know we have won with very big margin of votes.indian vote would not have any big difference
     
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    If by clever and witty you mean delusional and clumsy, I agree :lol:
     
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    Mr High IQ Chinese... there is a difference in UN and UNSC.

    And you are trying so badly to obstruct UNSC for India so I can understand your frustration.
     
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    It would've made a big difference had India campaigned against Pakistan. ;)
     
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    :lol: India has nowhere close to that level of influence yet. Pakistan had both China and the United States backing its bid.
     
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    And so what if there's a difference between the UN and the UNSC? How does an Indian UNSC seat magically make the UN useful, as @The Messiah claimed?
     
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    If the leadership if firm & Armed force gets right backing ,all this UN crap pressure is of no use . Were this pressure tactics working in 1965,1971 or in 1999 Kargil ?

    Iran stands tall even today will almost all UN members are in favour of passing resolution against them , they never did gave a damn about UN resolution

    Its upto not getting bog down from this pressure , but current Indian govt will get into pressure even a battle tank moves into delhi for regular exercise then UN pressure will make them loose breath

    Its ur time now PAK & CHINA enjoy , but do what ever u want before 2014:thumb:
     
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    not really

    india importance at interntional level and in world intentions is still at the same level as pakistan has..may be in future india has more influence.

    imagine a pakistan with india size of economy and its importance in the world might have even more than china

    apart from israel i i don't see anyone would have joined the compaigned
     
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    OMG... this Paki is crossing height of disillusion... this idiot is from earth or what??

    [​IMG]
     
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