Islam is the FASTEST DYING RELIGION in the world

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    According to Shaykh Ahmed Katani, in Africa, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity every year:
    (English Translation | Arabic)

    Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa's main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa [a land of 1 billion] has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa...In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed.


    Egypt

    The number of Muslim-born converts to Christianity in Egypt, who are keeping their faith secret, has reached several million. Due to the State Security's persecution, torture and rape, they have established outside Egypt an organization called "Freed by Christ" as well as "Way TV" to speak on their behalf to the West, and expose their sufferings at the hands of State Security. It is headed by the Christian convert Dr. Mohamad Rahouna, ex-dean of the Faculty of Arabic Studies, Minya University, who fled to the United States. September, 2009


    France

    Muslims are converting to Christianity in their thousands in France but face exclusion from their families and even death threats. . . . Muslims each year are converting to Christianity - around 10,000 to Catholicism and 5,000 to Protestantism. . . . Many Muslims in France hide their conversion but the trend is continuing. World wide around six million Muslims a year convert to Christianity. December, 2011

    Iran

    There has also been concern over fact that many young people in Iran have abandoned Islam because they're tired of the many restrictions imposed by the faith. According to unofficial sources, in the past five years, one million Iranians, particularly young people and women, have abandoned Islam and joined Evangelical churches. This phenomenon has surprised even the missionaries who carry out their activities in secret in Iran. March, 2008


    On October 2, the government-supported news website, Javan-Online, acknowledged that the acceptance of Christianity was becoming a trend and reported 200 house churches were discovered in just a few months in the traditionally Islamic city of Mashhad.

    Many high ranking government officials and Islamic religious leaders have also made statements expressing concern over the spread of Christianity. Ayatollah Jafar Sobhani, a prominent Islamic theologian and writer, publicly spoke about the conversion of 600 people to Christianity in the city of Neishabour, according to a local newspaper in the Southern Khoarasan Province. The Head of the Ministry of Intelligence in Iran, Heydar Moslehi, also warned the heads of education in Iran about the spread of Christianity in schools. December, 2011


    Malaysia

    Head of the Malaysian State of Perak Mufti (religious head) Dato' Seri Haji Harussani Haji Zakaria announced that there are close to 250,000 Muslim apostates in Malaysia. This figure includes about 100,000 Malay Muslims who have declared themselves Christians.

    This announcement was made on a TV Forum entitled "Pekerti Islam" in the Malaysian State of Kedah recently which was aired by RTM (Malaysian TV & Radio Department) at 2 pm this evening.

    Another 100,000 Muslims are in the process of filing for apostasy while the rest are filing in to have their Muslim name changed to "other religion name"

    "This figure does not include individuals who don't do solat, doesn't fast and breaks all the tenets of Islam" he said. According to the Perak Mufti he has personally received a letter from the American Christian Missionary Association which accuse the Malaysian religious authorities of being cruel (or mean) for not allowing about 30,000 Malay Muslims to convert out to Christianity. February, 2006


    Netherlands

    Mosque attendance is dropping faster than church attendance (machine translated from the original Dutch).

    One in five Dutch adults regularly visit a religious gathering. Church attendance was in recent years further back, but the mosque attendance fell hard. In 1998 was 47 percent of Muslims once a month to the mosque in 2008 that only 35 percent. "Half is rarely, if ever," reports CBS.

    The percentage of Catholics who regularly visit services, dropped from 31 to 23 percent.

    Russia

    The number of ethnic Muslims in Russia who adopted Christianity is 2 million, while the number of the Orthodox who have been converted to Islam is only 2,5 thousand, stated Roman Silantyev, executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia. . . . As a result of what happened in Beslan, the proportion of Muslims in North Ossetia has decreased at least by 30%, while in Beslan itself, where Muslims had comprised from 30 to 40% of the population, their number has decreased at least by half.

    'As even Muslim sources confirm, after each terrorist action, thousands and may be even dozens of thousands of ethnic Muslims adopt baptism' November, 2005

    The number of ethnic Muslims in Russia is more or less known and estimated to be 14.5 million, Silantyev said. Yet surveys say that there are only 7 to 9 million people who adhere to the Islamic faith in Russia. . . . 'Less than 3,000 ethnic Russian have converted to Islam for the last 15 years,' Silantyev said.

    According to the researcher, for the same period almost 2 million ethic Muslims have become Orthodox Christians for the same period. Over 400 Russian Orthodox clergy belong to traditionally Muslim ethnic groups, 20 percent of Tatars are Christian, and 70 percent of interfaith marriages result in the Muslim spouse conversion to Christianity. April, 2007

    Turkey

    Some 35,000 Turks converted from Islam to Christianity last year,with most joining evangelical congregations the newspaper, "Milliet," reports. If true, this would amount to a mass movement, considering Christians make up only 0.2 percent of Turkey's 68 million population. January, 2004


    United Kingdom

    Families headed by a Muslim are more likely than other families to have children living with them. Nearly three quarters (73 per cent) had at least one dependent child in the family in 2001, compared with two fifths of Jewish (41 per cent) and Christian (40 per cent) families.

    Muslim families also had the largest number of children. Over a quarter (27 per cent) of Muslim families had three or more dependent children, compared with 14 per cent of Sikh, 8 per cent of Hindu, and 7 per cent of Christian families.

    The larger proportion of families with children and larger family sizes is partly a reflection of the younger age structure of the Muslim population, but may also reflect their intentions to have larger families. Many Muslims have a Pakistani or Bangladeshi background and it has been shown that these ethnic groups intend to have on average over 3 children, compared with around 2 for the White population. April 2001

    Mr Hussein, a 39-year-old hospital nurse in Bradford, is one of a growing number of former Muslims in Britain who face not just being shunned by family and community, but attacked, kidnapped, and in some cases killed. There is even a secret underground network to support and protect those who leave Islam. One estimate suggests that as many as 15 per cent of Muslims in Western societies have lost their faith, which would mean that in Britain there are about 200,000 apostates. February, 2005


    United States

    According to research carried out by the respected Pakistani-born American Muslim Dr. Ilyas Ba-Yunus (1932 - 2007), 75% of new Muslim converts in the US leave Islam within a few years. Listen to the clip detailing this research (listen on Youtube)


    Growth of Islam in the US stems from immigration.

    Roughly two-thirds (65%) of adult Muslims living in the United States were born elsewhere, and 39% have come to the US since 1990. May, 2007

    The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life says its latest report contains "the most up-to-date and fully sourced estimates of the size and distribution of the worldwide Muslim population." . . .

    When it comes to the U.S., however, the Pew survey offers a figure significantly smaller than those favored by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and other organizations. Pew says there are 2.454 million Muslims in the U.S., about 0.8 percent of the country’s total population.

    Muslim Statistics (Population) - WikiIslam
     
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    A new book on atheism in the Middle East
    by Salman Hameed

    About a year ago, I had a post about growing open atheism in Egypt where I pointed to a possible trend in increasing self-expression, including in the domain of religious beliefs. Among the various factors contributing to it, university education and the exposure of other ideas via the internet and social media are perhaps the most important ones. It is the notion of "personal religion" that is, perhaps, allowing the possibility of more open atheistic and/or agnostic stances in contemporary Muslim societies (also see this earlier post about secular bloggers in Bangladesh and a backlash against them orchestrated by Jammat-e-Islami). There is a fascinating subject and Arabs Without God: Atheism and Freedom of Belief in the Middle East by British journalist, Brian Whitaker, directly deals with this topic. Here is a review from Muftah:

    Since the start of the Arab Spring, atheism has become a growing social phenomenon in the region, with an increasing presence on social media outlets. In his timely book, Arabs without God, Brian Whitaker, British journalist and former Middle East editor at The Guardian, explores this rarely studied but recurrent phenomenon in the Arab world. Juxtaposing the new wave of atheism with existing social and political discourses in the region, Whitaker highlights the complexities of this intellectual revolution, while also presenting possible solutions for its accommodation in a part of the globe known for its religiosity.

    There is an interesting claim that the path to atheism for many in the Middle East may different than the usual path to atheism in "West":

    In contrasting the journey taken by Arab atheists with those of their Western counterparts, Whitaker highlights the disenchanting personal experiences Arab non-believers have undergone in rejecting a God in which state and society has told them they are required to believe. According to Whitaker, the road toward non-belief for Arab atheists is usually a slow one with little basis in the “science-versus-religion debate” prevalent in the West. Instead, the journey for Arab atheists is often grounded in the “apparent unfairness of divine justice,” in questions like why do bad religious people go unpunished (either by the cosmos or society) while good non-believers are not spared?

    As Whitaker shows, in religious societies, questioning “divine fairness” does not only pose a challenge to community ethos or state authority. By exercising their right to “offend, shock and disturb” societal norms, Arab non-believers also experience an inner struggle. Whitaker describes this experience as a two-step process. First, in their journey toward atheism, individual Arabs often recount the constant reminders and warnings, received from an early age, about an omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent God whose punishment for disbelief and non-conformity is inevitable in this life and the hereafter. Second, many non-believers find solace away from this narrative in literary works on existentialism, morality, and religion written by Western as well as Arab philosophers, such as Jean-Paul Sartre, Abd al-Rahman Badawi, and Albert Camus. For these individuals, these works help transform personal doubts into a grander theoretical inquiry into the nature of religion and God.

    I don't know the empirical accuracy of the claim, but it is nevertheless a fascinating claim. I wonder if we will see a similar difference within western societies based on socio-economic status with a similar conception of God. But Whitaker goes on to provide a broader history of Arab and Muslim freethinkers as well:

    In perhaps the most engaging chapter of “Arabs without God,” Whitaker provides a revealing historical account of Arab and Muslim free-thinkers. Representing an often purposefully ignored aspect of Arab history and religion, these individuals challenge preconceived notions about Muslim states and societies as always fundamentally intolerant of criticism. Whitaker traces waves of atheism throughout Islamic history and briefly highlights the golden age of intellectual reform, through Islamic thinkers like Ibn al-Rawandi, Abu al-Ala al-Ma’arri, and Omar al-Khayam, who proclaimed their non-belief at various points. Whitaker emphasizes that, other than Rawandi, these individuals were not necessarily labeled atheists, but instead described as free-thinkers or heretics.

    As the author also argues, in expressing their doubts about the prophetic tradition and the divine, these philosophers as well as others, did not necessarily eschew a belief system for shaping their lives and aiding them in rationalizing and interpreting the world and their own actions. Rawandi and Abu Bakr al-Razi, another respected ninth century scholar, criticized Islam but also believed reason was a sufficient source for the “knowledge of good and evil.” Indeed, both then and now, Arab atheists have offered humanism as a counter-argument to organized religion, substituting a morality shaped by religious tenets with one guided by human reason.

    By the way, if you are interested in this history, you should also check out Jennifer Michael Hecht's Doubt: A History. One of the chapters in there is devoted to Muslim freethinkers. But back to the present, Whitaker documents other reasons for turning away from religion as well, in particular, social alienation:

    Social alienation also drives some Arabs, especially women and homosexuals, to reject religion. In his book, Whitaker navigates the ways in which patriarchy, familial discrimination, as well as social marginalization, push women and homosexuals away from their religion.

    On their road to non-belief, women and homosexuals each develop a unique set of characteristics, expressing their private feelings within tightly guarded circles of trust while mirroring social expectations in public. For example, Whitaker’s book contains examples from ex-Muslim women and homosexuals who felt comfortable sharing their non-belief with selected immediate family members, while continuing to superficially display their religious affiliations.

    Whitaker attributes this unique identity formation to two things. The first has to do with the “comfort factor,” which encourages those who are insecure to seek religion, or the pretense of religion, for protection from harassment or persecution. The second has to do with “faith plasticity,” which involves “reshaping orthodox concepts of God and faith to fit their needs.”

    Although Whitaker does not explicitly claim that women’s subjugation is fueled by forces other than religion, he does not shy away from emphasizing the twisted effects patriarchy has on their daily lives. In male-dominated societies, like those in the Arab world, a woman’s piety, virtue, and family honor is assessed through her outward demonstrations of religiosity. Nonconformity and deviation from strict religious practices are automatically linked to negative portrayals of female chastity and virtue, thus paving the way toward “popular association of atheism with immorality.” This social stigma serves to deter women from questioning religious codes of conduct, including the ultimate belief in God and religious forms of dress.

    But this is all the more relevant for LGBTQ communities in the Middle East:

    For their part, Arab LGBTQ communities endure constant persecution and harassment by state agencies, as well as private citizens who adhere to mainstream Islam. For some LGBTQ Arabs, things are further complicated by doubts about prevailing religious belief systems. Some of these individuals chose to pursue this “double-coming-out.” Other atheist homosexuals in the Arab world, however, continue to weigh their options as to which identity – atheist or homosexual – is less risky for them to publicly assume.

    Interestingly, Whitaker shows that some agnostic Arab homosexuals find solace within a middle ground of spirituality. This is not an outright rejection of faith, but rather a step toward distancing themselves from organized religion, which allows them to construct their distinctive personal identities while maintaining the minimum religiosity required by society.

    In tackling complex issues of gender and sexuality in relation to religion, Whitaker has undertaken the difficult task of mapping the region’s multifaceted atheist sub-groups based on gender and sexuality. Although he does not address the compounded problems faced by atheist LBT feminist groups, the author certainly challenges perspectives that dismiss the affects individual experiences have on the journey toward disbelief.

    Atheism in the contemporary Muslim societies is a relatively unexplored topic and it is great to see a book about it.
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    alking about the trend in Africa a prominent Islamic scholar of Libya Sheikh Ahmad Al Qataani told Al-Jazeera recently: “Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non-Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people.”

    The Libyan Sheikh goes on: “When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century. On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000. … There are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every day, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.”

    The stories which “Maulana” Mohammad Rahmatullah Mir Quasmi, administrator of a large madrasa in the Bandipura region of Kashmir told Mr. Rasheed of the spread of Christianity in the valley of Kashmir shocked the author. The “Maulana”, he reports, is fighting a lone battle against the Christian preachers of Kashmir.


    But there is not the slightest hint of introspection among Muslims in Kashmir or elsewhere why Muslims are leaving Islam in droves. Most Muslims are just happy at the lie spread by Islamophibic media in the West that “Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world”. Muslim numbers may be growing in some countries due to immigration and large-scale reproduction among Muslims in a bid to perpetuate our poverty and illiteracy.

    Muslims need to reflect why so many millions of us are leaving Islam for Christianity or simply calling ourselves ex-Muslim, Muslims and Islamophobia, By Sultan Shahin, Editor, New Age Islam, New Age Islam
     
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    Millions Are Leaving Islam Every Year

    It seems to be an article of faith that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Another dubious fact is that Islam is the largest religion on Earth. Research shows that in fact Bahaism is the fastest growing religion on Earth, not Islam. True, Bahaism is a small religion compared to Islam, but facts are facts.

    Well then, Islam is the biggest religion in the world then, correct? Apparently not. Wikipedia gives a worldwide Muslim population figure of 1.4 billion . Wikipedia also indicates that there about 2.1 billion Christians on Earth. That makes Christianity significantly larger than Islam.

    Another “fact” that gets tossed around a lot is that Islam is so dangerous because it proselytizes so aggressively, and leaving Islam is so dangerous that “hardly anyone leaves Islam”. It is true that leaving Islam can be dangerous in many Muslim-majority lands. As we will see, many Muslims convert to Christianity in Russia and sub-Saharan African countries with non-Muslim majorities with little or no problems.

    In recent years, according to Roman Silantyev, executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia, an incredible 2.5 million Muslims have converted from Islam to Orthodox Christianity in Russia, while only 2,500 Orthodox have converted to Islam (Orthodox Christians are less likely than the non-Orthodox to leave the flock).

    Silantyev said that most of the converts are Muslims by birth who were non-practicing, while Muslims who regularly attend mosque rarely convert. He said that the conversions happen not so much due to proselytization, but instead due to the influence of the dominant Russian culture, which is Christian.

    In particular, Silantyev noted that after the bestial crime of the Beslan School Massacre in North Ossetia, the number of Muslims in North Ossetia dropped by 50%. Whereas before Muslims were about 35% of North Ossetians, after Beslan, they numbered only about 17.5%. It appears that tens of thousands of Muslims may have accepted baptism after Beslan.

    Silantyev stated that even Muslim sources acknowledge that after each major Muslim terrorist incident there, thousands, or possibly even tens of thousands of Muslims convert to Christianity. Although this blog supports the Chechen cause, the radical Islamists in Russia seem to be shooting themselves in the foot with their wanton terrorism.

    The figures for Africa are even more amazing and come from impeccable Muslim sources who would be the last people on Earth to deceitfully propagandize huge numbers of Muslims converting out. The source is Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, an institution that specializing in graduating imams and Islamic preachers.

    In an interview with Al Jazeera, reprinted on the Chechen guerrilla Kavkaz Center website, Katani states, reprinted here and here , that in recent years, six million Africans, mostly sub-Saharan Blacks, leave Islam every year, mostly converting to Christianity, often evangelical Protestantism. Apparently few non-Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa are converting to Islam.

    This anecdotal figure needs to be backed up by good research, but it is still intriguing. Muslims in Sub-Saharan Africa are definitely depressed about what they report as a declining Muslim population.

    The problem is probably one of racism. African Muslims complain that the big money in the Muslim World (read: Gulf Arab money) simply does not go to Africa for the building of mosques and for employing Muslim workers to proselytize.

    The reason? Gulf Arabs, and Arabs in general, are quite racist people, much more racist than most Westerners. In particular, Arabs dislike Blacks. There is a long tradition of Arabs enslaving Blacks in that part of the world. A typical word for Black person in Saudi Arabia is the same word that means “slave”.

    Iraqis were particularly furious and insulted when Black US soldiers occupied their neighborhoods after the US invasion – they complained that it was particularly humiliating to be occupied by Blacks, who they saw as inferiors.

    Things are more complicated in Egypt, where many Arab men want a (mulatto) woman, because they are seen as better in bed than an Arab woman (who would make a good mother but not necessarily a great mistress).

    That tidbit from a mulatta Egyptian Muslim woman I was involved with for a while. Across the rest of the Sahel, Arabs continue to enslave Blacks in the same backwards tradition that has gone on for centuries.

    In Sudan, Chad, Niger and Mauritania, Arabs enslave Black men and women. The conflict in Darfur, in addition to being a farmers versus herders conflict reminiscent of those fought in the US West in the 1800’s, is also rooted in the profound contempt Arab Sudanese have for their Black “slave” countrymen. It is this contempt that fuels the genocidal nature of the slaughter.

    The Sahel Blacks are all Muslims, and Islam does not offer Sahel Blacks respite from the virulent racism of their Arab neighbors. Instead, the variety of Islam promoted by Sahelian Arabs emphasizes that divine nature of slavery laid out in the Koran, the better to justify their nasty habit of enslaving their Black countrymen.

    This same Arab anti-Black racism is present in the Gulf Arabs that fund Islam around the world – hence they give scarcely a nickel to Black Africa. There, mosques crumble in disrepair, proselytization is almost nonexistent and the ummah melts away.

    In the rest of the Muslim World, few Muslims leave the faith. Surely there must be millions of conversions to Islam every year, and the Muslim population in general is growing in part due to a generally higher birthrate compared to many non-Muslims. But the intriguing example of Russia and the anecdotal evidence of Sub-Saharan Africa show us that Islam is necessarily the one-way ticket it is made out to be.


    Millions Are Leaving Islam Every Year | Beyond Highbrow - Robert Lindsay
     
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    In What Went Wrong, Bernard Lewis charted the decline of Islam in the modern era and the resulting theological crisis for the Muslim world.
    Islam's Second Crisis: The troubles to come :: Middle East Forum

    Now Islam is going through a second crisis, caused by the repeated failures of revivalist responses to the first crisis. This second crisis, combined with the cumulative effect of the first crisis, which remains unresolved, will lead to a long drawn-out period of political and social instability for Muslim societies.

    The first millennium of Islam was a period of expansion through conquest. However for five centuries from around 1500, Western powers were pushing back Islamic rule.While the external borders of Islam kept shrinking, its position of dominance within its own borders was also being challenged. During this same period there were in many places improvements in the conditions experienced by non-Muslims under Islamic rule – a weakening of the dhimmi system – which communicated to Muslims an impression of their own faith's loss of dominance and its loss of 'success'.


    Some of the main formative strands of Islamic revivalism have been:

    the Wahhabi movement which originated in the 18th century;
    the Deobandi movement in India and Pakistan which dates from 1866;
    Jamaat e-Islami, which was founded 1941 in India;
    the Muslim Brotherhood, founded 1928;
    and the Iranian Revolution of 1979.

    Out of these have come a myriad of offshoots and branches such as the Taliban (from the Deobandi movement); Al Qaida (a product of the ideology of Muslim Brotherhood theologian Said Qutb); the missionary movement Tablighi Jamaat; and Hizb Ut-Tahrir.

    The manifestations of revivalism's failures are as diverse as the Islamist movements which generated them. One could point to:

    the atrocities and backwardness of the Taliban;
    the corruption and cruelty after the 1979 Iranian Revolution;
    the failure of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to govern for the benefit of the Egyptian people, leading to a wildly popular military coup in 2013;
    the present-day economic collapse of Turkey under big-talking Islamist Prime Minister Erdogan;
    the genocidal campaigns of Khartoum's military campaigns against its own citizens, causing more than a million casualties;
    and the ongoing Iraqi and Syrian jihad-driven bloodbaths.

    Everywhere one looks there are good reasons for Muslims to question the Islamic revivalist creed. The outcomes of more than two centuries of theological fervor are not looking good. Muslim states are not realizing the utopian goals set by these movements. Indeed the opposite is the case: again and again, wherever revivalist movements have gained the ascendancy, human misery has only increased. Too many Muslim states continue to be models of poverty and economic failure, despite all those female heads being covered up.

    This anxiety is not just theoretical. Christian aid workers in the Middle East have recently been reporting thousands of Muslim Syrian refugees who are leaving Islam to embrace the Christian faith. There was a remarkable growth of conversions to Christianity among Algerians in the wake of the Islamist regime in the earlier 1990's. There are also many reports of explosive church growth in Iran, in a context of declining mosque attendance and widespread disillusionment with Islam among young Iranians.

    Confidence in Islam is now being punctured as the bitter fruits of violent Islamist revolutions become more apparent. Snouck Hugronje also observed that "All uniformity of public and domestic life that prevails among Mohammedans of difference races… owes its origin to external force. The foreign missionaries of Islam were her fighting men, and her internal propaganda was the work of her police." While force may have worked in the past, it is not working as well today. In the modern era, with mobile phones and ready access to information via the internet, the attempt to impose conformity based upon the use of force is more likely to result in disillusionment. Today people know better and can find out information to help them choose what to believe.

    Islamic revivalist groups are being convicted by Muslim public opinion of damaging the reputation of Islam itself, and this can only lead to further spiritual disorietation among Muslim populations. The first crisis of Islam led to such far-reaching effects, from the re-Islamicization of Muslim communities around the globe, to the 9-11 atrocity. The second crisis of Islam will also have a far-reaching impact no less profound in its effects.


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    This thread is on a tight leash. No leeway to trolling or zero value comments.
     
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    C'mon @Virendra too much secularism injurious to Kafir :lol:
    Shaking faith: How ISIS is causing Muslims to abandon Islam

    One of the signs of the end times, according to Islam, is the inversion of reality – in other words, things being upside-down. For Muslims, there is nothing that more obviously illustrates this than Islam being made to appear bad to the world. For the first time in the history of our faith, an extremist fringe has hijacked the religion and is dominating the headlines, causing havoc and creating a global crisis.

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    Gone are the days when the extremists were few; we can no longer ignore them. They are popping up all across the world: Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria and Iraq. They are also growing rapidly, becoming more organised and better-funded. They pose a real and dangerous threat not just to non-Muslims with their religious intolerance, but also to Muslims too. That they kill Muslims is clear. But more than that, by muddying the image of Islam and making the religion appear violent, backward and completely out of touch with the modern world, they are causing Muslims to leave the religion. :thumb:

    ISIS, also known as the Islamic State (or perhaps more aptly, the Un-Islamic State), is the latest and most pernicious manifestation of this trend. They are nothing short of a global menace and incomparable to any other extremist group in Islam’s history. For months the world has been exposed to their savagery and thirst for blood; coverage of their beheadings and slaughtering frenzies, while joking and laughing about their next victims, has been unprecedented.

    Muslims often think their biggest enemy comes from outside the religion. In fact, the biggest enemy normally comes from inside. Islam’s number-one enemy today is not the US government, nor Israel; it has taken its form in ISIS. The extremist group is the reason why millions of people will have a terrible perception of Islam, why many born into Islam will never accept the faith, and why many Muslims will leave their religion, perhaps even flocking to atheism.
    Muslim extremists – the thugs of ISIS are a prime example – think they are advancing the cause of Islam, when they are actually doing the polar opposite. Their climate of fear, along with the multi-million-pound Islamophobia industry prospers under its clouds, leads many non-Muslims to hate Islam and causes swathes of Muslims to leave the faith. Extremism, along with the challenges modernity poses, is among the biggest factors in causing apostasy.


    Sayeed, a Muslim in his mid-20s from London, lost his faith at university. He tells me what’s stopping him from embracing Islam again. “It’s the damage the extremists have done to the religion,” he says. “It’s difficult to be part of this religion that has such bad press.”In the face of such negative headlines, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to belong to the Muslim community. An agnostic who lives in Indonesia recently asked me: “Why would you choose to belong to a religion in which so many people sharing your faith follow twisted versions and do extreme things?” It’s a question plaguing many Muslims across the world. Some are responding to the question by leaving the faith – they’ve simply had enough.


    In late June, a self-proclaimed Arab atheist female from Mecca tweeted (in Arabic): “ISIS (Islamic State): Peace be upon them, they did in one year what atheists couldn’t in a million years.”

    If al-Qaeda’s actions could cause Muslims to leave their faith, what effect will we see from the actions of ISIS, regarded even by al-Qaeda as too extreme?
     
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    Muslim 'apostates' come out of hiding in Europe - The Times of India
    Muslim 'apostates' come out of hiding in Europe

    BRUSSELS: A number of Muslims in Europe are publicly abandoning their religion to become Christians or agnostics despite their former community's taboo against such acts.

    In France, the film "The Apostle" by filmmaker Cheyenne Carron has meanwhile lifted the veil on "apostasy" by telling the story of a young Muslim who converted to Catholicism and how he had trouble getting family and friends to accept his choice.

    "It is time for us to stop hiding," said Pastor Said Oujibou, 46, who left radical Islam for evangelical protestantism and who is among the few converts to have publicized his decision in France.

    He said he is "tolerated" by his former co-religionists, even if he admits to having sparked "sarcasm and annoyance" from them.But he warned against the "double talk" that certain branches of Islam in France close to the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafists use toward apostate Muslims.

    "Apostasy is a taboo in Muslim culture and if the text of the Quran does not provide for any punishment, prophetic tradition calls for killing apostates," said Radouane Attiya, a former preacher trained in Saudi Arabia who is now a specialist on Islam at Liege University in Belgium.

    Specialists said that more people become Muslim in Europe than leave the faith but Muslims converting to Christianity, especially evangelical protestantism, are on the rise, according to Oujibou.

    Evangelicals seek to proselytise in working class and immigrant neighbourhoods where there are many Muslims.

    "In Europe, as in Arab countries, there is a rampant atheism gaining ground. But what is new is the search for visibility," Attiya said.

    He said "Islamic radicalism, world jihadism are contributing to the emergence of a reverse radicalism."Ahmed spoke only on condition of anonymity and said he was also "fed up with the omnipresence of fundamentalists," and what he called "the hypocrisy of Islam."
     
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    Religion is fast dying , most of the people are becoming aethists or agnostic.
     
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    ‘Islamophobic’ Muslims Leave Islam After Reading the Qur’an :lol:
    http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/04/28/islamophobic-muslims-leave-islam-reading-quran/
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    Muslim apologists do their best to silence apostates and their criticism of Islam by throwing out the dreaded “Islamophobia” label. Apostates are people who were once Muslims themselves but have since left the religion for a variety of reasons. Many are left shell-shocked, victims or witnesses to Muslim abuses and violence, and others have simply done the unthinkable- they opened the Qur’an and read it.

    Another apostate is the well-known Ali Sina, who started faithfreedom.org in 2001, after reading the Qur’an and coming to the conclusion that Islam is a Satanic religion, and Muhammad was a psychopath as well as, Sina writes, “a liar, a pedophile, an assassin, a rapist, a thief, a lecher, a narcissist, a terrorist, a mass murderer and a madman. Muslims emulate their prophet and this explains the madness in the Islamic world. They are vile and violent because they worship a criminal.”

    He goes even further and declares that Muhammad and Islam do not deserve any more respect than people like Charles Manson and that rather than comparing Muhammad to Jesus, Buddha or Zoroaster, he should be compared to insane criminals like Hitler and Stalin.Sina goes on to provide the violent Quranic verses and stories of Muhammad’s brutality that were both shocking and disturbing. He explains how the hatred and inhumanity of Islam cannot possibly be the word of G-d. His conscience could not accept what he read in the Qur’an.


    There are many ex-Muslims like Sina. Abul Kasem, for example, is the author of five e-Books: A Complete Guide to Allah, Root of Terrorism ala Islamic Style, Sex and Sexuality in Islam, Who Authored the Quran? and Women in Islam. Kasem left his “religion” after experiencing its violent and barbaric nature. He explains that as a child, he witnessed the slaughter of a Hindu friend, along with his entire family, in Bangladesh, where Kasem was born.
     
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    Out of so many religions Islam is one of those few which consider their sacred text to be infallible. I have heard Hindus questioning Vedas, Ramayana and Mahabharata, Christians in west questioning Bible, Sikhs have changed their lifestyle to become more acceptable in west, but only few Muslims have dared to question the "controversial" verses of the Islamic sacred text. Islam desperately needs to reinvent itself.

    Christianity is dieing in west, but it is growing rapidly in Africa and in Asia(including India and China) which is creating great socio-political disturbance in several countries (India might have faced similar situation, but seems like we woke up in time). Protestants proselytize more aggressively than the Catholics.

    The versions of Christianity being propagated in East is not much different compared to the Wahabbi ideology. Just see how much interference do the local churches have in NE states of India. One evil is being replaced by another.

    As long as such religions remain which send the disbelievers into hell and call them sinners, religious conflicts will not stop.
     
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    R u happy with Religion is dying.Do u want to see 'only Islam or Hinduism or both dying'.
     
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/24/u...ing-a-much-needed-place-among-peers.html?_r=0
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    Heina Dadabhoy, 26, says that leaving Islam was painful. “My entire life, my identity, was being a good Muslim woman.”

    One of the group’s founders who was at the conference, Sadaf Ali, 23, an Afghan-Canadian, said that she had once been “a fairly practicing Muslim.”

    During childhood, she said, “I was always fairly defiant.” As she grew older, she struggled with depression, and she thought that praying more and reading the Quran would help. She became more religious and looked forward to a traditional life. “I thought my life was sort of set out for me: get married, have children,” Ms. Ali said. “I might go to school. I’ll have a very domestic life. That’s what my family did, what my forefathers did.”

    “As I started to investigate the religion, I realized I was talking to myself,” Ms. Ali said. “Nobody was listening to me. I had just entered the University of Toronto, and critical thinking was a big part of my studies. I have an art history and writing background, and I realized every verse I had come across” — in the Quran — “was explicitly or implicitly sexist.”

    Quickly, her faith crumbled.“So in 2009, I realized there probably is no God,” she said. “What is so wrong in having a boyfriend, or having premarital sex? What is wrong with wanting to eat and drink water before the sun goes down during Ramadan? What is so wrong with that? I couldn’t handle the cognitive dissonance anymore.”
     
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    l would like to see Indian culture prosper and also people of this region feel connected to their roots. However some reforms are needed so that some prejuidices are gone.

    Any thing which inspires nationalism is ok for me, having said that the ideologies should be progressive and relavant to this age of technology.
     
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    How did it feel to leave Islam? - Quora

    Two of the most severe blow came to me from science and life of prophet muhammad...i loved biology and had a pretty good understanding of evolution..so when i realised that the origin story in my religion was so different...i tried to reconcile both the ideas...thinking something on the lines of God made evolution happen...but the more i learned about creation the more doubts i had...i grew more skeptical...then finally i learned that prophet muhammad had a 6 year old wife and consumated with here while she was 9 and he was 40...i was beyond terrified...it was a disaster to me...i listened to scholars who said she was not 9 but 19 or something similar but most of them agreed that she was 9...now this made me face the fact that maybe just maybe he was only human...and maybe my religion can be a lie...coz nothing can ever make me believe that a prophet could do something like that...

    Finally i thought i would read the quran with meaning(have read it before but without meaning)....i have heard people say its the perfect book and things like that...i read it in hopes of getting my answers and returning back to faith but when i did i knew i would never be a muslim again...the quran was probably the worst book i ever read....all it talked about was war,famine,drowning people,killing children...stories like that of Job,Noah and moses made me believe that no loving God could do that....it was the final nail in the coffin of my faith...at the moment i finished the quran i was an atheist...

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    Most Muslims grow up in an environment in which their faith is shielded from any criticism. When I first encountered it, my first reflex was anger. This was specially true when that criticism came in the form of criticism of Muhammad the person. His moral character, his conquests, his marriages...etc. I felt deeply insulted. I really cannot stress enough how much it gets to you when you first encounter it. Even though I was not a deeply religious Muslim up until that point, that anger actually made me more religious. I became more engaged in trying to defend Islam. Started going to the Mosque on every prayer, and reading the Qur'an regularly. Ultimately though, doubts accumulate. You start following ever more "liberal" reinterpretations of the religion. First to go is the Hadeeth: This Hadeeth or that is not trustworthy, then most of it is actually nonsense. Soon enough the Qur'an starts becoming allegorical, more specific in time and place...etc. Then came understanding biological evolution. Yeah, that one was not easy to square. For a while, there is a period where you try desperately to make sense of it in light of the Qur'an, but it's pointless. You realize you no longer believe in most of it, and that you're technically no longer a Muslim. Still, in the dark corners of your mind you hang on to a more "cultural Islam". You don't go for the sex, booze and pork just yet.

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    I am an ex Muslim. Today, I am an Atheist and consider religion a poison.

    My wife too was a Muslim woman raised in a lot of different countries in the Middle East. She is the oldest child and has three sisters and two brothers.
    Her parents were what we refer to as 'the moderates' in Islam.
    Everything went great when she was in school. She was very intelligent and wanted to be a Doctor. She wanted to pursue her dream here in the US. She knew her parents would probably not like the idea but she was confident that she would be able to convince them.

    When she asked her parents to allow her to go and study they were shocked. She was supposed to be very obedient and modest. They couldn't imagine that she would want to have a career.

    In three months, she was packed off and married to a man who was 20 years older than her. She was his 3rd wife. She was raped and beaten. This man was a very respectable religious man who had memorized the whole Qur'an. According to him, Islam allowed wife beating and he was actually imitating the Prophet.

    He lived completely like the Prophet (as claimed by him) and liked to fantasize about angels speaking to him, just like the Prophet.


    My wife was a devout Muslim back then. Her life was completely ruined and she was suffering from depression. She felt suicidal and even attempted it once. She was not allowed to go out of her house on her own. Nor was she allowed a Psychiatrist as they couldn't find a female psychiatrist.
    Nevertheless, she refused to believe that Islam was responsible for her misery.

    That is when she started learning the Qur'an. Firstly, to counter her husband. But soon she realized that most of what he claimed was actually a part of Qur'an.


    She started searching for an escape. I cannot really tell you all the details of her escape (to protect the people involved). She did manage to escape. Luckily for us, we found each other and are now happily married.

    She always says that religious people are the most dangerous ones. They are not taught to question at all. Moreso, in Islam.

    She has tried a lot to argue and convince a lot of Muslim women who are oppressed to rebel. But they are convinced that this is the role chosen for them by God. They are convinced that men are superior to women. And the Qur'an, too, says so.

    My wife and I also started a support group for people who wanted to come out of Islam and and openly declare their non religiousness. The support group is mostly a failure because most people fear for their lives.
    So far, only 4 people have managed to openly declare that they want to live their lives as Atheists. And this is still in US.

    Women's rights, LGBTQ rights suck in Muslim countries. Actually, there are no rights at all. Islam oppresses half its population. Islam is inconsistent with democracy. It is inconsistent with science. It is inconsistent with modern world. Islam is inconsistent with freedom. Islam calls for strict annihilation of Atheists.

    If you live in a Muslim society you will see people struggling to connect with the modern world. Islam is backward and very very hostile to any kind of amendment.You can't question it. You can't challenge or amend it. You basically can't enjoy life with it.
     
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    The day Hinduism dies will be the day when India will cease to exist as a Federal Republic of so many States and UTs.

    No religion in the world is compatible with Science, Religion is based on Faith while Science is based on logic/reasoning/exploration. My advise is that we must not quote blogs and propaganda sites, most of them might be saying stuff we might love to listen but most of them have their own agenda.
     
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    China is atheist country with many languages,cultures still it exist as one.Hinduism has given unique culture to India but that doesn't mean India will disintegrate after it becoming atheist country..

    Many are main news except 2or3 blogs,anyway i avoid them further.:cool2:
     
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    i think dying means, getting killed, by drones, or armies or by jehadis anyway in the end the sufferer is human lets say Muslim for time now. its mostly because other than islam no one is killing or getting killed on the name of religion globally..
     
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    During Muhammed times some people used to accept Islam and after a while they used to leave Islam, some used to mock Islam and prophet. It is after Muslims gained strength and power they started enforci punishments.
     
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    China is 90% Han and overwhelming majority of Chinese people speak one single language. Just see what is happening in the regions where Han are not the dominant group. Culturally speaking China is anything but an atheist country. Remove Hinduism and Dharmic Tradition from India's equation, we reach a situation where a Punjabi guy cannot find anything in common with a Tamil guy. I myself do not believe in the scriptures but I still feel strong association with the Cultural aspects of the Dharmic traditions.

    In my view terms like Secularism, Atheism, Agnosticism have zero relevance here in India, because the Dharmic Tradition doesn't believe in one God or one path to salvation. Several hymns of Rigveda are Agnostic and challenge the existence of God.
     

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