ISIS wants to conquer India

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Put your musings in the historical perspective and recall how the Arab under Islam captured all those territories shown in black. ISIS is after all a fundamentalist and rabid Sunny organisation considered much harder than Al Qauida with an aim to establish a Muslim / Sunni Caliphate and then have a Caliphate empire.

When Islam did conquer the entire Arabian peninsula and reached upto Spain on the west and Bay of Bengal on the East, they did capture civilisations many times much advanced then them...populations much larger than them - The Persians, the Turks, The Hindus, The Christians, The Egyptians .... to name a few.

In the modern day they only need to control the sources of energy (gas and oil) and then launch vigorous asymmetric warfare to regain lost Islamic territories. That is what their dream is !!
The past was a different time.The energy factor might become worrisome if they capture Kurdistan and that again is a quarter of Iraqi oil sources. To make matters worse they'd have to get into Iran and KSA, I don't see that happening that would be suicide for them as that would piss off the Russians and Chinese too. The world and warfare isn't the same as it is used to be some 500-1000 years ago, they may have been great conquerer's then they aren't so now. Unless they get Sunnis in most of the Arab world to join them in Jihad they will have a hard time, they haven't even gained control of Iraq entirely to begin with, Assad still rules in Syria , just indicated the have a long long way to go to gain some ground in their objectives.

Plus you really think that they'll march on to Middle Eastern countries with a strong military and they'll just sit back and watch?
 

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But It was the Americans who helped Mujhahideen fight the Soviets. It was their Final provision of Aircraft Destroyers which won the war for the Mujahideens.

If The TV Documentaries and my perception is not wrong.
Yeah but they became enemies of the US after the war was over when the soviets were there they were friendly, the ISIS have been American enemies long before the Syrian war started and both sides have hated each other since the beginning. Why help and enemy that has caused to damage to you when there are other sources available?
 

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Yeah but they became enemies of the US after the war was over when the soviets were there they were friendly, the ISIS have been American enemies long before the Syrian war started and both sides have hated each other since the beginning. Why help and enemy that has caused to damage to you when there are other sources available?
I cannot Trust the Americans, You never know with them
 

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best wishes for their world dominion........let's see how they conquer countries beyond iraqi border....
 

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They don't want China or Russia?
India as the muslims say is an unfinished business. Its the only country which is still Hindu after Islamic invasion. They converted every country they went to into muslim. Iran,Iraq,Turkey,Northern Africa everywhere they went they were sucessfull in eradicating local religion. India is yet to be conquered. Although Pakistan,Afghanistan and Bangladesh which were part of the Hindu sphere have already been conquered.
 

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India as the muslims say is an unfinished business. Its the only country which is still Hindu after Islamic invasion. They converted every country they went to into muslim. Iran,Iraq,Turkey,Northern Africa everywhere they went they were sucessfull in eradicating local religion. India is yet to be conquered. Although Pakistan,Afghanistan and Bangladesh which were part of the Hindu sphere have already been conquered.
Spain is also similar case.
 

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Whole world is unfinished business for them.

They want to butcher every non-Sunni roaming on the planet.
 

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Whole world is unfinished business for them.

They want to butcher every non-Sunni roaming on the planet.
Yes it is true as Allah said whoever is a non-believer(non-muslim) is ignorant. Allah's apostate took upon himself to teach Arabia a lesson by forcing them into Islam. Now his followers are doing that today.
 

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Whole world is unfinished business for them.

They want to butcher every non-Sunni roaming on the planet.
Yep, Aman ki asha loving left-wingers may call us radicals for it but the truth is radical Islam is at war with us. Go to some of the more liberal websites , you'll be amazed to find how much they love the pakis.
 

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On the day of Modi swearing in ceremony,Pak ISI wanted to keep Mr.Modi in a tight fix by creating a Kandahar like hostage situation by taking hostage of indian Ambassador to Afghanistan and other Indian staff through their LeT operatives. Luckily for India and Mr. Modi the plan was foiled by ITBP and Afghan security forces!!! I suspect this ISIS has links with ISI, Al-Qaeda,Taliban. As per ISI instructions they might have taken Indian workers as hostages. This has put Modi Govt under fix and his credibility will be at stake if he cant rescue those workers. I am afraid the ISIS/ISI will wait for few more days so that furore over the hostages will increase and pressure on Modi will mount tremendously. They may ask for ransom or ask for release of IM terrorists held in indian jails in exchange for hostages and god forbid they may eliminate the hostages to teach Modi a lesson and raise doubts about Modi's governance. ISI/Pak Army will benefit a lot by creating chaos in India!!!Its purely my cynical guess!!!
 

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I suspect this ISIS has links with ISI, Al-Qaeda,Taliban. Its purely my cynical guess!!!
Brah, I believe you are guessing it right!

As the saying goes, Mullah ki daud majid tak, terrorist ki daud Bakistan Tak...
 

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not a single muslim king was able to conquer whole india........ And this fools thinking to do so when the india is united and one of the strongest in the world!
It's right. But we must never underestimate. Look its not that we are unconquerable. Pakistan and Afghanistan once were part of India and now its 100% Islamic.
 

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Who are ISIS? The rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant - The Times of India

With its multi-pronged assault across central and northern Iraq in the past one and a half weeks, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) has taken over from the al-Qaida organization founded by Osama bin Laden as the most powerful and effective extreme jihadi group in the world.

ISIS now controls or can operate with impunity in a great stretch of territory in western Iraq and eastern Syria, making it militarily the most successful jihadi movement ever.

While its exact size is unclear, the group is thought to include thousands of fighters. The last "s" of "ISIS" comes from the Arabic word "al-Sham", meaning Levant, Syria or occasionally Damascus, depending on the circumstances.

Led since 2010 by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, also known as Abu Dua, it has proved itself even more violent and sectarian than what US officials call the "core" al-Qaida, led by Ayman al-Zawahiri, who is based in Pakistan.

ISIS is highly fanatical, killing Shia Muslims and Christians whenever possible, as well as militarily efficient and under tight direction by top leaders.

The creation of a sort of proto-Caliphate by extreme jihadis in northern Syria and Iraq is provoking fears in surrounding countries such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey that they will become targets of battle-hardened Sunni fighters.

The ISIS tactic is to make a surprise attack, inflict maximum casualties and spread fear before withdrawing without suffering heavy losses. Last Friday they attacked Mosul, where their power is already strong enough to tax local businesses, from family groceries to mobile phone and construction companies. Some 200 people were killed in the fighting, according to local hospitals, though the government gives a figure of 59 dead, 21 of them policemen and 38 insurgents.

ISIS specializes in using militarily untrained foreign volunteers as suicide bombers either moving on foot wearing suicide vests, or driving vehicles packed with explosives. Often more than one suicide bomber is used, as happened when a vehicle exploded at the headquarters of a Kurdish party, the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan in the town of Jalawla in the divided and much fought-over province of Diyala, northeast of Baghdad. In the confusion caused by the blast, a second bomber on foot slipped into the office and blew himself up, killing some 18 people, including a senior police officer.

The swift rise of ISIS since Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi became its leader has come because the uprising of the Sunni in Syria in 2011 led the Iraqi Sunni to protest about their political and economic marginalization since the fall of Saddam Hussein. Peaceful demonstrations from the end of 2012 won few concessions, with Iraq's Shia-dominated government convinced that the protesters wanted not reform but a revolution returning their community to power. The five or six million Iraqi Sunni became more alienated and sympathetic towards armed action by ISIS.

Isis launched a well-planned campaign last year including a successful assault on Abu Ghraib prison last summer to free leaders and experienced fighters. This January, they took over Fallujah, 40 miles west of Baghdad, and have held it ever since in the face of artillery and air attack. The military sophistication of ISIS in Iraq is much greater than al-Qaida, the organization out of which it grew, which reached the peak of its success in 2006-07 before the Americans turned many of the Sunni tribes against it.

ISIS has the great advantage of being able to operate on both sides of the Syrian-Iraq border, though in Syria it is engaged in an intra-jihadi civil war with Jabhat al-Nusra, Ahrar al-Sham and other groups. But ISIS controls Raqqa, the only provincial capital taken by the opposition, and much of eastern Syria outside enclaves held by the Kurds close to the Turkish border.

ISIS is today a little more circumspect in killing all who work for the government including rubbish collectors, something that alienated the Sunni population previously. But horrifically violent, though professionally made propaganda videos show ISIS forcing families with sons in the Iraqi army to dig their own graves before they are shot. The message is that their enemies can expect no mercy.

Who is ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?


Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the space of a year he has become the most powerful jihadi leader in the world, and last week his forces captured Mosul, the northern capital of Iraq. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, also known as Abu Dua, the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) has suddenly emerged as a figure who is shaping the future of Iraq, Syria and the wider Middle East.

He began to appear from the shadows in the summer of 2010 when he became leader of al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI) after its former leaders were killed in an attack by US and Iraqi troops. AQI was at a low point in its fortunes, as the Sunni rebellion, in which it had once played a leading role, was collapsing. It was revived by the revolt of the Sunni in Syria in 2011 and, over the next three years by a series of carefully planned campaigns in both Iraq and Syria. How far al-Baghdadi is directly responsible for the military strategy and tactics of ISIS, once called AQI, is uncertain: former Iraqi army and intelligence officers from the Saddam era are said to play a crucial role, but are under al-Baghdadi's overall leadership.

There are disputes over his career depending on whether the source is ISIS itself, US or Iraqi intelligence but the overall picture appears fairly clear. He was born in Samarra, a largely Sunni city north of Baghdad, in 1971 and is well educated. With black hair and brown eyes, a picture of al-Baghdadi taken when he was a prisoner of the Americans in Bocca Camp in southern Iraq between 2005 and 2009, makes him look like any Iraqi man in his thirties.

His real name is believed to be Awwad Ibrahim Ali al-Badri al-Samarrai, who has degrees in Islamic Studies, including poetry, history and genealogy, from the Islamic University of Baghdad. He may have been an Islamic militant under Saddam as a preacher in Diyala province, to the north east of Baghdad, where, after the US invasion of 2003, he had his own armed group. Insurgent movements have a strong motive for giving out misleading information about their command structure and leadership, but it appears al-Baghdadi spent five years as prisoner of the Americans.

After the old AQI leadership was killed in April 2010, al-Baghdadi took over and AQI became increasingly well organized, even issuing detailed annual reports over the last two years, itemizing its operations in each Iraqi province. Recalling the fate of his predecessors as AQI leader, he insisted on extreme secrecy, so few people knew where he was. AQI prisoners either say they have never met him or, when they did, that he was wearing a mask.

Taking advantage of the Syrian civil war, al-Baghdadi sent experienced fighters and funds to Syria to set up Jabhat al-Nusra as al-Qaida's affiliate in Syria. He split from it last year, but remains in control of a great swathe of territory in northern Syria and Iraq. Against fragmented and dysfunctional opposition, he is moving fast towards establishing himself as Emir of a new Islamic state.
 

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May not be legit, the US has been hunting the ISIS since a long time since the days of Zarqawi. They might have given funds and arms to the Syrian rebels and those resources might have reached the ISIS, but direct aid and training is something I don't see happening. It'd be nice if @Ray sir could clear this up, he has a better grasp of this situation than most of us here.

As of now the current administration has ruled out sending troops to Iraq, some former US military folks I talked to themselves said its a bad idea to put boots on the ground.

Moral of the story is that its bad to fight a conflict like this without an exit strategy. The US has clearly made mistakes as far as occupation goes, the British and other Europeans were better at that.
ISIS is not a part of AQ as I learn.

Ideal would be for people to read this thread and thereafter talk. The posters are who have served in Iraq
Out of the desert into Mosul:
Out of the desert into Mosul: what next? - Page 16 - Small Wars Council
 
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