ISI- History, Founders and Discussions

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  1. johnee

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    Pakistan's Intelligence Agency, the ISI,

    So originally Cawthorne was there to ensure that ISI focussed its energies on India rather than fritter it's efforts elsewhere. The idea was to ensure perpetuation of western interests through their man on the ground.

    "Opted for Pakistan after transfer of power" .. how clever & impartial it sounds.

    Cawthorne is an old India hand.

    The point to understand is till Cawthorne organized the ISI on MI5/MI6 lines the old IB which got bifurcated was just a CID outfit run by police wallas. There was never a military intelligence organization in the British India. So it was a qaulitative escalation by colonials.

    So the fight was between an Mi5/MI6 sortof military organization and first IB and then RAW which at best was based on CIA inputs but both were civilan outfits. By any chance was Cawthorne part of SIS/Force 136 in British India?


     
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    After independence in 1947, two new intelligence agencies were created in Pakistan: the Intelligence Bureau (IB) and the Military Intelligence (MI). However, the weak performance of the MI in sharing intelligence between the Army, Navy and Air Force during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947 led to the creation of the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in 1948.[1] The ISI was structured to be manned by officers from the three main military services, and to specialize in the collection, analysis and assessment of external intelligence, either military or non-military.[1] The ISI was the brainchild of Australian-born British Army officer, Major General R. Cawthome, then Deputy Chief of Staff in the Pakistan Army.[1][2] Initially, the ISI had no role in the collection of internal intelligence, with the exception of the North-West Frontier Province and Azad Kashmir.[1]
    In the late 1950s, when Ayub Khan became the President of Pakistan, he expanded the role of ISI in monitoring opposition politicians, and sustaining military rule in Pakistan.[2] The ISI was reorganised in 1966 after intelligence failures in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965[3], and expanded in 1969. Khan entrusted the ISI with the responsibility for the collection of internal political intelligence in East Pakistan. Later on, during the Baloch nationalist revolt in Balochistan in the mid-1970s, the ISI was tasked with performing a similar intelligence gathering operation.[3]
    The ISI lost its importance during the regime of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who was very critical of its role during the 1970 general elections, which triggered off the events leading to the partition of Pakistan and emergence of Bangladesh.[3]
    After General Zia ul-Haq seized power in July 1977, the ISI was expanded by making it responsible for the collection of intelligence about the Sindh-based Pakistan Communist Party and various political parties such as the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP).[3]
    The Soviet-Afghan war of the 1980s saw the enhancement of the covert action capabilities of the ISI by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). A special Afghan Section was created under the command of colonel Mohammed Yousaf to oversee the coordination of the war. A number of officers from the ISI's Covert Action Division received training in the US and many covert action experts of the CIA were attached to the ISI to guide it in its operations against the Soviet troops by using the Afghan Mujahideen.
     
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    Directors
    Brig Riaz Hussain.[6] 1959 - 1966
    Maj Gen (then Brig) Mohammad Akbar Khan.[7] 1966 - 1971
    Lt Gen (then Maj Gen) Ghulam Jilani Khan. 1971 - 1978
    Lt Gen Muhammad Riaz. 1978 - 1980
    Lt Gen Akhtar Abdur Rahman. 1980 - March 1987
    Lt Gen Hamid Gul. March 1987 - May 1989
    Lt Gen (retd) Shamsur Rahman Kallu. May 1989 - August 1990
    Lt Gen Asad Durrani. August 1990 - March 1992
    Lt Gen Javed Nasir. March 1992 - May 1993
    Lt Gen Javed Ashraf Qazi. May 1993 - 1995
    Lt Gen (then Maj Gen) Nasim Rana. 1995 - October 1998
    Lt Gen Ziauddin Butt . October 1998 - October 1999
    Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmed. October 1999 - October 2001
    Lt Gen Ehsan ul Haq. October 2001 - October 2004
    Lt Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. October 2004 - October 2007
    Lt Gen Nadeem Taj. October 2007 - October 2008
    Lt Gen Ahmad Shuja Pasha. October 2008 - Present
     
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    Biography of Maj Gen Cawthorne


    looks like he headed the Secret services of two countries- Pakistan and Australia!

    Baron Casey later became the GG of Australia!


    The whole idea was to create a org which would target India right when India got its independence. ISI was upgraded as and when India population grew and complexity increased. They may have got information about India - sociology, mil and economy to thrawt India's rise as a major power. China and US gained immensely with this brilliant strategy started at independence.
    LeT was the joint creation of ISI in 1986 and brilliantly executed with Indian public unaware until late 90s.

    Cawthorne was of australian origin and Australia has the deepest links to ISI. After 911 US mil ops and intelligence depended on the Australian help to keep a tab on ISI during the Afghan operation. There were reports of Paki LeT targetting Australia in 2002-2004.
     
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    So they are using ISI as a tool to control both Pakistan & India through subversion.

    how convenient .. while we keep playing into western hands.

    So, actively promoting secessionist movements in Pak while fortifying our defenses and enhancing our retaliatory and propaganda capabilities would be essential as this will lead the ISI to over-react and commit atrocities which we can then highlight, putting ISI's anglo-american sponsors on the defensive.

    Tighter coupling of Indian assets in the field with the Americans would also help, as it would lead to shared exposure to ISI attacks.

    Domestically, manage the defense against ISI so that it becomes a high visibility political item, We need to create a climate in which Indian Muslims(IMs) will have a very strong incentive to turn in the ISI-ers in their midst by not allowing events like post-godhra riots to occur but at the same time demanding that the IMs decide and once and for all between India and ISI.
     
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    Cawthorne also headed the Pakistani side in the post ceasefire negotiations Karachi to demarcrate the CFL (as LOC was known in those days) in Kashmir in 1948.

    Per Gen Sinha his behavior was very hostile towards India. Kishenganga (Neelum valley) went to Pakistan due to his machinations.

    Cawthorne seems to have started as a private and ended up as a Maj Gen. Lots of ability. And he fought from First World War to Cold War! And was head of secret services of two countries- Pakistan and Aussies. And see his service in NWFP and Punjab Regt for his affinity towards Pakistan. He might have a hand in Sukarno's overthrow and the massacres in the aftermath. There was a Hollywood movie on that overthrow.

    The google book I mentioned showed his dislike for Indian freedom movement.
     
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    It is interesting to note that the English and other commonwealth (read white) officers continued to serve in both Indian and pakistani armies long after 1947.

    The first War in 1948 was facilitated by the british officers so that kashmir state would join Pakistan. They exchanged information on both sides of the army so that the advantage was with Pakistan. Nehru's order were not carried out immediately so that raiders from pakistan and army could kill the kashmiri valley people into submission. Idea was to get the people to support pakistan making the ruler to sign with Pakistan. They made sure that Muslim conference took over the POK region and made sure that Nehru halted Indian army advance to the present LOC.

    Ajay Shukla blogspot

    I wonder what role Gen Rob Lockhart had to play in this charade (He was C-in-C Indian army). and why is the Indian army silent on this....
     
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    PDF Document

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    Contd from previous post

     
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    Pakistan ISI

    http://www.iisc.ernet.in/prasthu/pages/PP_data/95.ppt

    The above like is an awesome 33 slide ppt presentation by MKDhar on ISI. It goes into quite alot of detail. The big thing is its military intel organization. It is religion inspired outfit. I dont know if there are any Paki hindus in it ever even as chaprasis.
     
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    some, comments on this issue on another forum by few posters:


     
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    Alison Keamo


    Sri Lanka Guardian: Role of Secret Agencies

     
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    ISI Chief Gets One-year Service Extension ​

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...hief-gets-oneyear-service-extension-030-hh-01




    President Zardari in a meeting with PM Gilani, COAS General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, FM Shah Mahmood Qureshi, and Lt. General Ahmed Shuja Pasha (R) at the presidential palace

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    excellent news for Pakistan
     
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    Army Chief Driving Pakistan’s Agenda for Talks

     

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