Is withdrawal of US from Afghanistan in Indian Interests viz Pakistan?

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Is withdrawal of US from Afghanistan is in Indian interests Viz Pakistan?

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  1. Daredevil

    Daredevil On Vacation! Administrator

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    There is a thought among us that India was not able to retaliate against Pakistan post Mumbai 26/11 attacks due to pressure from US as it is dependent upon Pakistan for its supplies and action against terrorists taking refuge in Af-Pak borders. If US withdraws from Afghanistan, does it make it easy for India to retaliate against Pakistan in the event of Mumbai 26/11 kind of attacks against India?. In this context, I would like to pose the question - Is withdrawal of US/NATO from Afghanistan is in Indian interests or not vis-a-vis Pakistan?

    Please choose yes or no or not sure with reason and logic behind your choice
     
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  3. JBH22

    JBH22 Senior Member Senior Member

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    What USA does that's their sh!t. What needs to be seen is what India govt is and will do with the foreseeable withdrawal of ISAF forces there..
    The incumbent govt has failed us on all issues pertaining to security,losers are only engaged in petty politics squabble not trying to strengthen the country.
     
  4. Daredevil

    Daredevil On Vacation! Administrator

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    I think you didn't get the question there??. Let me paraphrase - Will Pakistan be more belligerent and sponsor terror attacks against India when US keeps presence in Afghanistan or when it withdraws from Afghanistan??. And we can also discuss as to how withdrawal of US affects Pakistan itself. Will there be more attacks in Pakistan if US withdraws from Afghanistan or not?.
     
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    DD I was just thinking on a different line as to how an early withdrawal of US forces may not be a bad thing overall in the region. It may set us back in Astan but with the US no having to bother about supplies through pakistan and rubbishing like it has before, it can concentrate a lot more on terror emanating from Pakistan. No more aid or weapons in the name of WoT. That would make sure that either pakistan takes real good care of its jewels as any wrong move could invite a punitive strike that would take out their nukes.
     
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    If USA is ready to put sincere pressure on Pakistan for export of terror after its withdrawal Indians will have much better chances in Afganistan. We can revive Northern alliance to protect our interests there.Only question is that will USA be in position to pressurize Pakistan to leave terror as tool for diplomatic gain. Till now USA says that they need pakistan in order to protect interests in Afganistan . Hope their helplessness changes once they exit Afganistan.
     
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    US is not sincere on terrorism. They need those terrorist for

    Russia
    china(uighyur)
    India
     
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    Fact is that terrorists from same school did 9/11 and plotted many other attacks. This is something they cannot neglect .
     
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    I think it should be a case of once bitten twice shy for the US. I don't think it can wink at terror anymore, it may well cut a deal with Taliban through pakistan to get outta there but then it sure will extract its revenge for the double game pakistan has played.
     
  10. Daredevil

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    It cuts both ways. Let me explain.

    If US withdraws from Afghanistan:

    US will no longer support Pakistan both monetarily in the form of AID and militarily in the form of weapons. With no more support of US in keeping Pakistan afloat, its economy will nose dive and leaving no money to buy big military toys. At the same time, with Afghan Taliban free (assuming PA no longer controlling it) in Afghanistan and the air of invincibility of defeating US, there is always a possibility to nudge the Pakistani Taliban and other terrorist tanzeems to take over Pakistan or at least take steps towards the formation of Pakthunistan. This in turn will put Taliban directly in conflict with Pakistan and can cause mass terrorist attacks on Pakistan pushing it to the brink of civil war. This is a good scenario for India as Pakistan may no longer pose a threat due to its internal squabbling.

    Alternatively, if PA keeps control of Afghan Taliban, it can bring peace in Pakistan with US no longer on Taliban's heels. This might make its economy better. And also it gives leverage with the terrorists organizations that were working against Pakistan to be directed against India to carry more 26/11 kind of attacks with 'plausible deniability' and pushing the blame on Taliban. In this scenario, there might be more attacks in India but what will be the threshold for India to retaliate against Pakistan.

    If US doesn't withdraw from Afghanistan:

    There will be continued support of US both monetarily and militarily. This will make Pakistani military sophisticated enough to stave off any Indian retaliation. And US will also keep Pakistan's economy afloat. On the other hand, there will be increased pressure by US on Pakistan to act against Afghan Taliban which in turn will lead to mass terrorist attacks against Pakistan throwing it into civil war and constant insecurity. With the mentality of taking down India as it is failing, if Pakistan carries out terrorist attacks like Mumbai 26/11 against India, what are the India's options?. Will India retaliate despite US pressure, if it retaliates what are the consequences - destruction of Pakistan or a nuclear war??.

    Which of the above scenarios is in India's interests vis-a-vis Pakistan?. Which scenario will cost more to India?. IMHO, in both scenarios, I think India should grow balls and punish Pakistan no matter what.
     
  11. JBH22

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    Pakistan attitude has been the same always to bleed India when the opportunity presents the difference is that they do it covertly or overtly that's the only change. Let's remember 1990s when Afghanistan used to be Pakistan backyard what havoc they caused they will start back their same game with us.What happens in Pakistan is a cause of concern but the most important focus should be what can we do secure ourselves once problem start there.
     
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    Well, I'm not 100% sure about the question. Whether the Yankees leave or stay, it will pose problems for India (and Pak).

    Overall it might be better if the US withdraws, but even if it does it doesn't mean that America will stop supporting Pakistan. Remember that America's WoT is a sham and the real reason for American forces being sent to Astan is for geopolitics (see "New Great Game"). US wants a strong presence in central Asia, and supporting Pakistan is key to that strategy. Unfortunately, I don't see American support to Pakistan ending anytime soon.
     
  13. Ray

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    If the US withdraws, which it will, the US global power projection image will go for a talispin.

    The Taliban will enter the scene and we will have old Afghanistan again as it was before the invasion by the US.

    The Taliban, generations of which has been brought up on terrorism in the name of jihad, will mostly become unemployed and a nuisance to Pakistan and the NWFP, apart from being so in Afghanistan governance.

    Pakistan will have no qualms in allowing them to create problems all over the world, while at the same time, whimper that they have become a victim of terrorism and still beg for alms. That they will get in any case.

    One or two bomb blast and acts of terrorism and we will have history repeat itself!
     
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  14. Agantrope

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    US army troops withdrawal from the Afghan is nothing to do with India and pakistan's interest; Damn it is their own interest. Their economy is now going a roller coaster drive.

    India and Russia will be direct victims of the terrorist from this place if they leave, I dont see any problem in chinese as commie will crush anything under their boots without any hesitation.
     

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