Is this type of election fraud typical?

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  1. SinghSher1984

    SinghSher1984 Tihar Jail Banned

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    I have relatives who tell me, for example during recent Punjab election you have 30-35 people go in and tell ppl vote akali-bjp or if they don't theyll get shot, and there's rioting and everything.

    My take, India isn't really a democracy it is thuggee raaj. But it's better than Pakistan or China, and we'll slowly change it though, and I'm not gonna let my people be under that foreign slavery again. :mad:

    Just wondering, if it happens other places too.

    I mean, obviously it does then delhi has 70k police a small army, India's basically seeming like an empire now I guess a 'republic' like Rome but w.e

    Jai Hind,

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    Khalsa Zindabad. (not khalistan).
     
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    India is a crony kleptocracy/dynastic rule with crony capitalists who grab a major pie of all tne business with their contacts in political parties.

    Almost all political parties excepting communists and BJP are the property of one family. Lip service is paid to ideology by most such as SP in Uttar Pradesh which professes socialism but in fact is for and by Yadavs and Muslims only, run by father, son, daughter-in-law, uncles, etc. Once in power steal as much as possible and throw a few crumbs in front of their vote banks and attempt to come back to power again seems to the rule of the game.
     
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    Then, why all these people professing incredible India or development? Seems the one billion house in Mumbai is just a really good view of slums.

    Also, what of the armed forces? Is it true, they facing shortage and that Sikhs stopped joining, or are there limitations? As I heard of general complaining that all army from hp, punjab, haryana he was from rajasthan.

    It seems country has just been torn apart internally since the late 70s aka emergency or really just because of Indira. Why do people keep voting for evil then? What happened to death before dishonor.
     
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    That sort of stuff takes place in some rural villages of Tamil Nadu. I've heard rumours that DMK threatens village families with sickles and forces them to vote for DMK or they will kill them and take their property. Of course, other parties have also been accused of such things.
     
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    The Akalis who you claim are intimidating are backed by SGPC which (SGPC) claims to be the real defender of the Khalsa.

    Now that would be a Double speak from you.

    You are against the intimidation in polls done by the Akalis (SGPC) and yet you appear to support the SGPC which claims to be the real Khalsas! ;)
     
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    Akal Takht Jathedar is appointed by government, I support the real Khalsa how can an election committe set up by the British be real?

    Electioneering itself is against our culture, and the root of many problems as it causes needless fighting and stops half of those who want to help from helping.

    As for the inevitable questions of what alternative? Allow me to post a bit later.
     
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    This is the first time I have heard of this. With EVMs they can't find out who voted for whom anyways.

    There are cases of booth capturing, and fake votes being cast, but then with EVMs thats also very tough.

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    Few nitpicks

    SGPC is the caretaker of Gurudwaras. In any case, I find that SGPC is corrupt, but as compared to other institutions its a lot better. Indian Gurudwaras, esp. Delhi ones are very very well managed.

    The Akal Takht (with other four Takhts) are the temporal heads. But the Jathedar(custodian) of the Akal Takht is not himself a leader.

    And you know it as well as anyone else that Raj Karega Khalsa is an all encompassing term, the Khalsa don't have to be necessarily Sikhs.
     
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    Akal Takht Jathedar is supossed to be almost king of sikhs according to purataan maryada. Furthermore, the Akal takht is the first and only takht rest were setup by british.

    Even puraatan maryada says Jathedar Akal takht is supposed to be from Bhudda Dal and that Nihangs are caretakers of gurudawaras (maybe after misl period) either way, Akali Phoola Singh whipped Ranjit Singh. Nuff said,

    The Khalsa is sovereign and the Jathedar of Akal takht can be seen as a speaker at the sarbat khalsa.

    The SGPC does not act in the interests of the panth. That much is for certain,
     
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    I am not well versed with Puratan Maryada, so can't comment.

    Akal Takht in and of itself is considered the temporal authority, but then its Jathedar is not. The rest of the Takhts are also well regarded.


    Historically the caretakers of the Gurudwaras belonged to either Udasi or Nirmala sect iirc

    That was a symbolic whip for keeping two wives, iirc. Billo Rani ;)

    Few caveats. Jathedar of Akal Takht by virtue of his position can be the speaker of any Sarbat Khalsa, but he cannot veto. And there have to be atleast 5 people (panj piyare).

    Yep.
     
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    I was just ribbing him since there was this dichotomy!

    Yes, Khalsa means Pure!

    Anybody can be so!
     
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    I have voted thrice in Punjab, never came across such an instance. In general, post the 80s, voting is generally peaceful. The use of EVMs has made it more impartial. Whatever fights or brawls I have witnessed outside booths are mainly due to overzealous party workers getting tangled with those of their rivals. Hardly anything to coerce voters. Having said that, what you mentioned may have happened in the panchayat elections where the voters are rural and security isnt at the same level as the LS, VS or Municipal elections. But this will be an exception rather than the norm.
     
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    I have never heard of such things happening post 80s and early 1990s. What you have heard is highly exaggerated, probably some NRI who left India in the 1980s and thinks that the situation is still the same as it was in those times.
     
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    The common sense definition is someone part of the Khalsa Panth.

    No political correctness from me, I won't say more I'm sure you heard the slogans during protests for a certain movie. ;)

    edit- That's what my mom said her brother said. I'll call and ask myself; same time, it's considered normal to give our liquor and drugs in Punjab is it not?

    Chal Hou, used to be honest people and dis-honest votes; now opposite.

    What's difference? :p

    VJKVJF||

    edit - I would say Khalsa means tyaar bar tyaar Singh, want to argue with him? :p :D Good morning to my pplz waking up now.
     
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    The unfortunate part of Indian politics, is that it is the same thing once in power.
     

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