Is this really 'politically uncorrect' ?!

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PS: The muslims don't try to improve their images that is so bad at the moment,they don't voice and stand up against salafists etc..... they are passive to every events,and that will be fatal to them.
Their silence means that they stand with the terrorists.
 

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Muslims in France are 4-5 millions or ~7.5% of the population. They are more in Germany,but as a proportion of the population less. With the amouunt of people they took in 2015,they easily crossed the 7.5%. in UK they crossed the 3 millions.
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To come back to the topic,this stupid cunt is more worried about 'far right' groups than islamic terrorism. Basically,it's the far right groups that will start a civil war... he told it to the french press .... And you think with this mentality,we are going to win ? Hahahaha.
Watchhh you gonna do now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Is it fair to punish regular Muslims for what the ruling elite does in Saudi? American govts have started illegal wars. Will u punish regular Americans?
What France enforces upon the people living in France is as fair as what Saudi Arabia enforces upon the people living in Saudi Arabia.

Yes, you are correct. Almost all wars in the Islamic World has been instigated by the US, but that was not without the complicity of sections of the Islamic World. The point is, a Muslim woman can wear a burqa in the US, but an American woman cannot wear a bikini in Saudi Arabia.

You have no case.
 

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You didn't answer my question. is it fair to punish regular people for what their govts do? Because that's exactly how it sounds. Saudi govt bans people from wearing bikini, but instead of punishing Saudi govt. they are punishing regular Muslims who are not even from Saudi Arabia. this is neither logical nor fair.
I don't need to answer your question because your question is not based on the premise of my argument.

In Rome, do as the Romans do.

If one does not like French lifestyle, one is free to move to an appropriate country and live there.

The West, specifically the US, has not punished the Saudi government for decades. The al-Saud family and the US have been hand in glove since Nixon and his petro-dollar deal with the Saudis. This is about money, not about culture.
 

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PS: The muslims don't try to improve their images that is so bad at the moment,they don't voice and stand up against salafists etc..... they are passive to every events,and that will be fatal to them.
Their silence means that they stand with the terrorists.
Sorry. That statement is patently false, but you are not the only one making such a statement. Many members have peddled the same myth multiple times.

The fact is, the single largest group that is battling the ISIS and other extremists are the Muslims, whether Shia (Hezbollah), Alawaite (SAA), or Sunni (Kurds).

Many people lack the basic decency and honesty to speak the complete truth and shamelessly generalize and accuse the Muslims of being all sorts of things.

Of course, the grotesque crimes committed by ISIS and similar groups does not help the ordinary Muslims and their image.
 

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Sorry. That statement is patently false, but you are not the only one making such a statement. Many members have peddled the same myth multiple times.

The fact is, the single largest group that is battling the ISIS and other extremists are the Muslims, whether Shia (Hezbollah), Alawaite (SAA), or Sunni (Kurds).

Many people lack the basic decency and honesty to speak the complete truth and shamelessly generalize and accuse the Muslims of being all sorts of things.

Of course, the grotesque crimes committed by ISIS and similar groups does not help the ordinary Muslims and their image.
@pmaitra , look at these Images , these are Ordinary Muslims of UK >>https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&hl=en&q=sharia++for++uk&


in INDIA , your ORDINARY Indian Muslims destroyed AMAR JAWAN JYOTI in INDIA , because somebody was drawing cartoons of Muhammad in DENMARK ,lakhs of your ordinary Indian MUSLIMS attends the funerals of terrorists (yakoob ) in Mumbai ...............

your Ordinary Indian MUSLIMS are Not ready For Uniform Civil code and they want sharia based laws like polygamy & oral Talak .

lakhs of Your so called Ordinary Indian muslims organized a rally (and destroyed homes & shops of Hindus ) ................rally was not organized against ISIS , terrorism , sharia laws , women empowerment but to demand beheading of kamlesh tiwari according to sharia law of blasphemy .

your ordinary Indian Muslims are supporting ZAKIR NAIK .

your ordinary Indian MUSLIMS are more concerned about Muslims of Palestinians but non of them care about Hindus of kashmir & bengal , nobody of them care about yajidis & christians .

and it is about money as well as religion ........for elites it is about money for ordinary Muslims it is about religion .

SHIAs & Alawaites are also fighting against ISIS because of religion & Kurds want a different country for themselves .




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@airtel, what you have posted has been repeated ad nauseam in this forum by our internet warriors.

What you have posted is true, but is still cherry picking.

I will give you one example, but this is but one of hundreds of examples:


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Our internet warriors are busy broadbrushing all Muslims, conveniently forgetting that when ISIS captured those Indian nurses, Ajit Doval went to negotiate with ISIS and their plenipotentiaries.

When we make comments like "Muslims are cowards," we are insulting those people who are laying down their lives and fighting against evil.

How are we any different than this guy?



We should not lose our dignity.
 

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The fact is, the single largest group that is battling the ISIS and other extremists are the Muslims, whether Shia (Hezbollah), Alawaite (SAA), or Sunni (Kurds).
And ISIS has its own weapon factories that they can continue fighting for almost 2 years against kurds, against USA, against Russia ????
 

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And ISIS has its own weapon factories that they can continue fighting for almost 2 years against kurds, against USA, against Russia ????
Are you trying to counter the point I made in what you have quoted? If yes, it is not very clear.

There are two massive threads on Syria. Please read them. You will find the answer to your question there. I cannot spoonfeed everyone.
 

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Last month, the Wall Street Journal published an interview with France's director of domestic intelligence, Patrick Calvar. "The confrontation is inevitable," Mr. Calvar said. There are an estimated 15,000 Salafists among France's seven million Muslims, "whose radical-fundamentalist creed dominates many of the predominantly Muslim housing projects at the edges of cities such as Paris, Nice or Lyon. Their preachers call for a civil war, with all Muslims tasked to wipe out the miscreants down the street."

These Salafists openly challenge France's way of life and do not make a secret of their willingness to overthrow the existing order in Europe through violent means, terror attacks and physical intimidation. But paradoxically, if the Islamists' threat to Europe were confined to the Salafists, it would be easier to defeat it.

There is in fact another threat, even more dangerous because it is more difficult to decipher. It has just been dubbed by the magazine Valeurs Actuelles, "the quiet conquest". It is "moderate" Islam's sinuous project of producing submission. "Its ambition is clear: changing French society. Slowly but surely".

That threat is personified in the main character of Michel Houellebecq's novel, Submission:Mohammed Ben Abbes, the "moderate" Muslim who becomes France's president and converts the state to Islam. And from where does President Ben Abbes start his Islamization? The Sorbonne University. It is already happening: Qatar recently made a significant donation to this famous university, to sponsor the education of migrants.

In France, the quiet conquest has the face of the Union of the Islamic Organizations of France (UOIF), which a Simon Wiesenthal Center report charged with "anti-Semitism, advocacy and financing of terrorism and call to Jihad... "

Not only does UOIF not encourage the integration of Moslems in France," the report states, "it actually provides a nursery for the most radical Islamist positions."

In Italy we have just witnessed the strategy of this "moderate Islam." The largest and most influential Islamic organization, l'Unione delle comunità ed organizzazione islamiche in Italia (Ucoii), sponsored Milan's first Muslim councilwoman, Sumaya Abdel Qader, a veiled candidate of the center-left coalition. Qader's husband, Abdallah Kabakebbji, openly called for the destruction of the State of Israel: "It is a historical mistake, a scam", he wrote on Facebook. His solution? "Ctrl + Alt + Delete".

Qader won the race over a real moderate Muslim, the unveiled Somali activist, Maryan Ismail. I met Mrs. Ismail at a pro-Israel forum in Milan. After losing the election, she broke with Italy's Democratic Party in an open letter: "The Democratic Party has chosen to dialogue with obscurantist Islam. Once again, the souls of modern, plural and inclusive Islam were not heard".

Take two "stars" of this French "moderate Islam." The first one is Tariq Ramadan, the grandson of Hassan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, the motto of which is: "Allah is our objective; the Prophet is our leader; the Quran is our law; Jihad is our way; dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."

Ramadan does not hide in Raqqa or shoot at French citizens. By applying for French citizenship, he would like to become one of them. His office is in the Parisian suburb of Saint Denis; he has written 30 books and he has two million Facebook followers. Ramadan has academic chairs all over the world, he is the director of the Research Center for Islamic Law in Doha (Qatar) and the president of the European Muslim Network. He publicly campaigns for Islam along with Italy's former prime minister, Massimo D'Alema. Ramadan recently explainedhis vision for Europe and France: "Islam is a French religion and the French language is a language of Islam".

Ramadan's project is not the hoped-for Europeanization of Islam, but the not-hoped-for frightful Islamization of Europe. He opposes the assimilation of Muslims into French culture and society. A few days before the election in Milan, Ramadan was in Italy to endorse the candidacy of Sumaya Abdel Qader.

The second French "star" is Dalil Boubakeur, the rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris. In 1989, Boubakeur justified the persecution of Salman Rushdie by Ayatollah Khomeini. In 2002, he testified for the prosecution against the writer Michel Houellebecq. In 2006, he sued Charlie Hebdo in court, after the publication of the Danish Mohammed cartoons. Last year, Boubakeur called for the conversion of churches into mosques and asked to "double" the number of mosques in France.




Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, last year called for the conversion of churches into mosques and asked to "double" the number of mosques in France. (Image source: TV5 Monde)



In the United Kingdom, mainstream Muslim organizations are dispensing "Islamic justice" through more than 85 sharia courts attached to mosques. Divorce, polygamy, adultery and wife-beating are only some of these courts' matters of jurisprudence. In Germany, vice-chancellor Sigmar Gabriel criticized Saudi Arabia for financing Islamic extremism in Europe. It is the same kingdom which last year offered to build 200 new mosques in Germany.

Qatar, with its Al Jazeera television megaphone, is also very active in sponsoring Muslim Brotherhood Islamic radicalism all over Europe. The Qatari royal family, for example, in 2015 donated £11 million to Oxford's St. Anthony's College, where Tariq Ramadan teaches. Qatar also announced that it was willing to spend $65 million in the French suburbs, home to the vast majority of the six million Muslims in France.

Today in Europe, several scenarios are possible, including the worst. Among them, there is a civil war, which many are beginning to talk about, including Patrick Calvar, the director of domestic intelligence. This is what the Islamic State is looking for: unleashing a blind repression so that the Muslim population will show solidarity with the revolutionary minority. Yet, there is still worse possible outcome: that nothing happens and we continue as is.

The end is more important than the means. The Islamic State has the same goal as most of the members of so-called "moderate Islam": domination under the sharia. Many supposedly "moderate Muslims", even if they do not commit violent acts themselves, support them quietly. They support them by not speaking out against them. If they do speak out against them, they usually do so in coded terms, such as that they are "against terrorism," or that what concerns them about violent acts by Muslims is the possibility of a "backlash" against them.

Violent jihadis, however, are not the only means of transforming Europe, and perhaps are even counterproductive: they could awaken the nations they attack. Soft and more discreet means, such as social pressure and propaganda, are even more dangerous, and possibly even more effective: they are harder to see, such as the West's acceptance of dual judiciary and legal systems; sharia finance (if there had been a "Nazi finance" system, in which all financial transactions went to strengthening the Third Reich, what effect might that have had on World War II?), and the proliferation in the West of mosques and extremist Islamic websites. Although there are indeed many real "moderate Muslims", there are also still many who are not.

To conservative Muslims, however, any Muslim who does not accept every word of Allah -- the entire Koran -- is not a true Muslim, and is open to charges of "apostasy", the punishment for which is death. According to a leading Sunni theologian, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, based in Qatar, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment for apostasy, Islam would not exist today."

That is why the late writer Oriana Fallaci once said to The New Yorker: "I do not accept the mendacity of the so-called Moderate Islam". That is why real "moderate Muslims" are silenced or murdered.

This might summarize the current Islamic mainstream mentality: "Dear Europeans, continue to think about a shorter working week, early retirement, abortion on demand and adultery in the afternoon. With your laws, we will conquer you. With our laws, we will convert you".

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If it comes to partitioning just remember to get rid of entire scum. :rofl:
bah! let all those with such^^ paraphrenia be broadbrushed as, ISLAMOPHOBES! or, keeping up with the times, TRUMPOPHILES!
 

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@airtel, what you have posted has been repeated ad nauseam in this forum by our internet warriors.

What you have posted is true, but is still cherry picking.

I will give you one example, but this is but one of hundreds of examples:


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Our internet warriors are busy broadbrushing all Muslims, conveniently forgetting that when ISIS captured those Indian nurses, Ajit Doval went to negotiate with ISIS and their plenipotentiaries.

When we make comments like "Muslims are cowards," we are insulting those people who are laying down their lives and fighting against evil.

How are we any different than this guy?



We should not lose our dignity.


Oh please you are cherry picking , I never said that all the muslims are terrorists or their sympathizers but 95% devbandi ) muslims are hypocrites .....


APJ kalam was also a Muslim , He was a patriotic Indian , how many muslims attended his funeral ?? how many Muslims attended funeral of yakoob ??<< this shows the mentality of common Indian Muslims .

ordinary Muslims have more respect for that ZAKIR NAIK as compare to APJ kalam .


bashar al assad is a shia , so he is fighting against wahabi proxy forces ...............Go & read comments of Ordinary devbandi muslims on arab news & al jazeera .................none of them supports army of syria ..................majority of them supports murder of Shias in Yeman by saudi forces , majority of them supports erdogan ..............
just read their views about shias ....................
just read their views about non-muslims ....................
how many muslim countries are democratic & secular ??
mayor of London is Muslim , india have muslim ex-president & ex-prime ministers , can any non-muslim become representative of any muslim country ??

I can Give you Millions of examples .
 

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Are you trying to counter the point I made in what you have quoted? If yes, it is not very clear.

There are two massive threads on Syria. Please read them. You will find the answer to your question there. I cannot spoonfeed everyone.
Right, I may be not qualified for the discussion as there's a huge discussion of around 195 pages on syria.
I wasn't exactly countering, just stating that ISIS isn't just an Islamist group, but war among few countries set up in Syria where others(kurds ?) have to fight for their existence.
 

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Oh please you are cherry picking , I never said that all the muslims are terrorists or their sympathizers but 95% devbandi ) muslims are hypocrites .....


APJ kalam was also a Muslim , He was a patriotic Indian , how many muslims attended his funeral ?? how many Muslims attended funeral of yakoob ??<< this shows the mentality of common Indian Muslims .

ordinary Muslims have more respect for that ZAKIR NAIK as compare to APJ kalam .


bashar al assad is a shia , so he is fighting against wahabi proxy forces ...............Go & read comments of Ordinary devbandi muslims on arab news & al jazeera .................none of them supports army of syria ..................majority of them supports murder of Shias in Yeman by saudi forces , majority of them supports erdogan ..............
just read their views about shias ....................
just read their views about non-muslims ....................
how many muslim countries are democratic & secular ??
mayor of London is Muslim , india have muslim ex-president & ex-prime ministers , can any non-muslim become representative of any muslim country ??

I can Give you Millions of examples .
Yes, my post was cherry picking in response to your cherry picking,

I did it to balance out the discourse.

Now that you have written this post, I take it you get my point.
 

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Right, I may be not qualified for the discussion as there's a huge discussion of around 195 pages on syria.
I wasn't exactly countering, just stating that ISIS isn't just an Islamist group, but war among few countries set up in Syria where others(kurds ?) have to fight for their existence.
Yes, that is certainly one way to look at it.

I suppose I have made my point as far as this thread goes. We should look at both the sides and get the complete picture.

I have to go now, but I would be interested in a discussion in a greater detail in the Syria thread. Why don't you post something in the Syria related threads and tag me. I will respond later.
 

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The fact is, the single largest group that is battling the ISIS and other extremists are the Muslims, whether Shia (Hezbollah), Alawaite (SAA), or Sunni (Kurds).
just read comments of devbandi muslims according to them shias are infidels & they are not true Muslims , so shias are fighting in self defence same with Alawaite...................Kurds have Persian roots & they want a different country for themselves .............this is the main reason of all these wars wars .
 

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PS : You know that you have more than 100 millions of them ? How is the cohabitation ?

Yeah theres a lot few. :D
Cohabitation is not that difficult because culturally its not that much different..may be because its from the same geography and the diaspora have a way of "getting used to".
Most of the time it was a slowwwwwww infusion...

But in Europe its a whole brand new "cult invasion" kinda like an outbreak and the present society is much surprised by the demands of the migrants.
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European pleasing and appeasing politics are used as a tactic by the migrants to enforce their demands in the civil society..

Migrants Riot After Being Denied Halal Food

Migrants at an asylum centre in the Austrian state of Salzburg rioted after being denied halal food last week.
The incident happened at a converted hotel in the small town of Unken, when a travelling halal meat salesman turned up at the centre in the middle of the night to sell his products to the residents.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/16/migrants-riot-denied-halal-food/


Muslim "Refugees" in Italy Reject Pasta, Demand Food from Own Countries

A protest held by refugees against “monotonous” Italian food was “excessive”, especially at a time when thousands of Italians go hungry, the president of a police organization told The Local.

“There are thousands of Italians living in poverty and who aren’t even eating one meal a day, let alone two or three,” he said.

For two days, a group of about 40 asylum-seekers staying at a refugee centre in the Veneto province of Belluno refused to eat the “pasta with tomato sauce, bread and eggs” meals they were given and called to be fed food from their own countries, Libero Quotidiano reported.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2...eject-pasta-demand-food-own-daniel-greenfield

Fussy' migrants turn down free food from volunteers and demand MONEY instead
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...i-germany-turn-down-free-food-taxpayers-money

Give them an inch and they know how to take a mile out of it. There is no sense of respect for any situation in their cult.
 

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Just remove the kebabs srebrenica style already instead of being moralistic it's more efficient that way.
 

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