Is there any bias against recruiting muslims for Indian armed forces ?

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  1. ashdoc

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    Yeah, why not introduce religion based reservation in Armed Forces also ?? And send home the 'over-represented' Sikhs back to the fields of Punjab ? :der:

    Ours is not a conscription based Army and every citizen is free to decide for himself if he needs to join the Armed Forces or not.

    If the Muslims dont want to join the Armed forces for whatever reason , let them be. But its himalayan foolishness to blame the Army for that.
     
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    That is no issue....The Muslims (the Punjabi, Baluch and Pathans) were well represented in Army like Sikhs and Gurkhas. They were considered Martial races by the British. Now they are in Pakistan. Naturally there is a drop in Muslim soldiers in Army....
     
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    I have not seen any circular to indicate that there is a bias for recruiting anyone based on his religion, community or caste.

    All one has to do is to ensure that they are within the physical and educational parameters.

    If there was any bias towards Muslims, then why do we have the JAK LI, which is a Muslim Regiment and that too from an insurgency ridden State?

    If one goes by percentages, then Bengalis, Odiyas, Gujaratis, Andamanese, et al should wail and breast beat that there is discrimination!!

    My own Regiment, the MAHARs, are finding getting recruits from the Mahar community tough. It is because the avenues for SCs are greater in the civil and so who wants to rough it out in the Army?

    Yet, some Pollyanna, by twisting the facts and to find a place in the sun for his depraved and excitement devoid life, may raise the issue that Mahars, being SCs, are being discriminated in their own Regiment.
     
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    Even Muslims are not complaining about it Muslims only want a better standard of living like other Indians
    Let me speak the TRUTH

    There will NEVER be a Muslim PM /Army chief /IB RAW chief / Atomic energy Chief /DRDO chief

    Even a Muslim Home Minister in future looks unlikely

    Yes , Muslims are getting only a token representation in the army as the article says 30000

    But there have been many officers in the army including senior positions like Lt Generals

    So what if there is an UNWRITTEN policy to keep Muslims to the minimum

    It is better to be safe than sorry

    Secularism DOES not mean being stupid
     
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    Do you think the country actually discriminates against Muslims, just because of their religion?

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but we are not Pak or SL, we don't discriminate against minorities.

    And with the way our politics is going it won't be long before we have a muslim PM, hope that bursts your bubble about the 'unwritten rule'.
     
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    Air Marshal Latif, the Chief of the Indian Air Force was of what religion?

    And APJ Abdul Kalam, before he was the President of India, was the Scientific Adviser to Defence Minister and Secretary, Department of Defence Research & Development. His religion, please?

    Unwritten policy?

    And your source, please.
     
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    You really meant it? I pity your thinking. Fortunately majority of Indians do not think this way.
     
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    How come there are more applicants for bollywood than the Army by percentage and whose job is it to aspire for what anyone wants? This is absurd and repeated over and over again.
     
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    There's no bias for or against any religion in army. See this link on how army recruitment rallies draw large numbers in the only muslim-majority state of India.
     
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    I THINK IT IS IN MIND OF MOST MUSLIM YOUTH IN INDIA THAT THEY WOULD BE DISCRMINATED . this idea is implanted in their mind in very young age by their dear-ones or ( local maulvis)
     
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    There is no need for reservations but there should be encouragement and roadshows in all areas and communities to encourage participation. Just like there are roadshows in J&K and North East, we should have them in south and army / navy ads can be placed in local languages and schools and colleges in Muslim majority areas as well.
    Another factor was also something the army was considering was to rename army regiments based on states and territories rather than religion or caste which was the British way of naming regiments. I don't know how far this is practicable though.

    And only those who meet the criteria should be selected. As the blogger states, I don't think there is any discrimination as such. But an encouragement from army recruiters would be a step in the right direction. And already you can see many Muslim names in important posts in BSF, coast guard, CRPF e.t.c. The recent appoint of GoC commander in the sensitive J&K state is a Muslim as well-Lt Gen S A Hasnain.

    And let me just finish of with a comment in the same blog

     
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    These maulvis are amply supported by all the sickular politicians too.

    The demand of Jinnah about preserving the strength of muslims in army and police was flatly turned down Confress led by Nehru. Demands for resrvation in army were rejected by the Constituent Assembly too. How can anyone except sickuars demand such a reservation NOW?
     
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    There was never any move to name the Regts by States.

    That would have opened up a can of worms.

    There are rallies everywhere and it is well advertised.

    These rallies, apart from adding to transparency, since the Board that are selecting are composed of officers from various areas brought to one place, there can be no nexus.

    I think the blogger has hit the nail on the head.

    It is these whispering campaigns that have no basis like 'unwritten policy' which adds to the misconceptions.

    These whispering campaigns are done by those whose lives are aimless and who wish to impress their group to pretend that they are close to the powers that be and are 'in the know'!!
     
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    Here we go again quotas obsessed nation to give the image of secular state.Atleast spare the Armed Forces let this sole organisation recruit its people on merit not on religious or caste preferences.
     
  17. The Messiah

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    This should be taught to all the ignorant bearded preachers.

    But then again hadiths are most used by them to delude the masses like wearing burqa.

    I think muslims in India were never of the army type anyway....they all shifted to pakistan anyways.
     
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    No one is demanding "reservation". Dont jump the gun so quickly.
     
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    Then what was Khachchar Committe doing?
     
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    Realtionship between the Quran and the Sunnah

    llah Almighty says in the Quran what means::
    “[[We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.]” (An-Nahl 16:44)

    Commenting on this verse, Imam Al-Baghawi, one of the well-versed scholars of Islam, said in his tafseer:
    "The message — in the verse — refers to the divine inspiration. And the Prophet is the clarifier of the divine inspiration. The explanation of the Quran is to be sought in the Sunnah." (Al-Baghawi 25)

    Thus, the relation between the Quran and the Sunnah is such that the latter is a clarification of the former. The Sunnah explains and interprets the Quran. It gives more details about what is concisely mentioned in the Quran, especially when it comes to legal rulings. Many laws, as well as acts of worships, are briefly mentioned in the Quran. Then, the Sunnah elaborates on such items and gives more details and explanation or interpretation.

    http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/eye...hip-between-the-quran-and-the-prophets-sunnah
     

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