Is there a Rightwing Party in India?

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  1. Mad Indian

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    MediaCrooks: The War On Hindus - Part 2 - #FakeWings


    Sometime in 2013 there was an outrage over Narendra Modi stating he was “born Hindu” and a “nationalist” and therefore a “Hindu nationalist”. A Muslim writer went on to analyse this ordinary statement like a space scientist. The problem wasn’t so much that he claimed to be a nationalist but with being a “Hindu” nationalist. In general the term “nationalist” is associated with the Right Wing or the Far Right Wing by Western and Indian (English) pundits. However, there are times like the recent Pak-boat incident which show up who are nationalists and who are anti-nationals. The anti-nationals peddled imaginary theories that ridiculed our govt, Coast Guard and threw a defensive-rope to the Pakis. Apart from the media crooks who indulged in their fabricated stories, the Congress party proved once again why they are anti-nationals by strengthening the Paki hand. During 26/11 actual attacks happened, people died and some Congis still blamed the RSS for the death of Hemant Karkare and other cops.

    If you have watched old Raj Kapoor movies; those B&W ones of the 50s and early 60s, the hero usually played a poor guy or a tramp. The rich lived in mansions. They ate, drank and smoked in posh hotels while watching cabaret dances. They were evil. The hero usually struggled his way to the heroine’s heart defying all social and financial hurdles. The Commies like that kind of story. No wonder Raj Kapoor’s movies were quite popular in Russia too. These movies of the 50s stemmed from the philosophies of Gandhi and Nehru who were essentially Commies. Nehru was inspired by Stalin and saw the Russian revolution and Communism as the new world order and the future to a happy society. Gandhi-Nehru sowed the seeds of Communism so deep that it is nearly impossible for India to get out of it. The Left Wing (LW) and Right Wing (RW) are concepts from the French or the West which had come to soak the soil of India. Because we wanted to be a mixed bag, we adopted the concocted “Socialist” term. Thus, IndiraG embedded that word into our Constitution during the Emergency. A British group fairly plots the ideologies of some world icons:

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    Nehru was a great admirer of Stalin. Sonia Gandhi would be between Stalin and Hitler. There is no RW in India. Modi too is a great follower of Gandhi and his principles. So where would you place him? Surely not with Thatcher! This is a fallacy that is perpetrated by our pundits and media. It is nearly impossible for a political party to be RW in India. That would take courage. And politicians are usually not courageous. Therefore, in India we only have Chrislamists and Hindus and not fake wings. Gandhi and Nehru were Chrislamists although Gandhi admired and followed Hindu philosophy at a personal level, not at a political level. And though Gandhi admired Hindu philosophy he really didn’t read much about it. He is also reported to have written “Even if Muslims decide to wipe out the Hindu race, there is no point in Hindus getting angry on Muslims. Even if they slit our throats, we should be patient and accept death”.

    To understand the war on Hindus let us first get past the neurological disease of LW and RW that is often talked about in politics and our media. There is extreme Communism in the form of CPI and its eggs in Indian politics but there is no RW. There are RW thinkers among the public but not in politics. The BJP is wrongly and conveniently identified as a RW party but it is not; just as it is wrongly identified as a “communal” party when the real communals are the Chrislamists. The Commie ideology was to wage an armed struggle, political murders to overthrow elected govts to establish Commie rule. That was true in India too. But since Nehru was a great friend of Russia, the CPI in India broke into a wing now known as CPM which embraced mainstream politics while the other branches of CPI still continue to wage war. Others are commonly referred to as Maoists and Naxals. All the Commies are Maoists, some more violent than the others. Since CPM came into mainstream politics they dropped their policy of violence and war against the State. Mind you, they dropped it as a policy, not as a practice.

    The seeds were sown by Gandhi-Nehru and the final nail hammered in the form of “Socialism” into our Constitution by IndiraG. Once the seed grows into a tree, it is very difficult to uproot it. Politicians are not brave people; most are cowards of the first order. As Sir Humphrey would put it, a controversial decision or policy would cost them votes but a courageous decision would cost the election. Which politician of any variety is willing to lose an election with courageous decisions? Does it surprise you then that even BJP leaders keep chanting “terror has no religion” after the latest Paris shooting? Therefore, whether it is BJP or any other party, their policies and decisions are rarely influenced by what is right.

    It took America nearly 100 years, since independence in 1776, to abolish slavery in 1865. That would take a courageous decision. It took even longer, almost 200 years, for Civil rights and voting rights to Blacks in the US around 1965-68. Courage to do the right thing takes hundreds of years. Appeasement takes only a whim. That’s what Nehru did with Reservations. That’s what MMS does when he says “Muslims have the first right on resources”. This is true for the Chrislamists and this is true for the BJP. So why is it that the BJP is called a RW party by foreigners, Indian pundits and our media? It is not! Let us ask a few questions of the BJP if it is indeed a RW party:

    #Would the BJP be willing to put a deadline for Reservations to end? Say, something like “by 2025”?
    #Would the BJP be willing to take temple interference by govts away? Would they constitute some kind of national body to oversee temples without the Chrislamists?
    #Would they be willing to amend the free speech bill and remove the nonsensical “ifs and buts” incorporated by Nehru?
    #Would they be willing to repeal the draconian 66A in the IT Act?
    #Uniform civil code? (And that doesn’t even have anything to do with any wing)


    Those are merely some sample questions. The RW in the public mocks Akhilesh Yadav or JJaya for free laptops or Amma Idlis. They mock Mr. Zero for “free Akash tablets”. Well, even Shivraj Chouhan has given free laptops and devices in MP, hasn’t he? And I won’t even get into Article 370 because that needs some legislative numbers. But even if the BJP had the numbers where they want them, do you really think they will amend Article 370? You are welcome to fly a kite. We know China to be Commies, we know MMS and Congress to be LW but are they really so in practice? Take a look at this (from the same site I linked earlier):

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    Hu Jintao falls under Right? MMS falls under Right? Barack Obama falls under Right? The Pope is a Commie? Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela are closer to Gandhi as Centre-left. Does any of this surprise anyone? While Jintao, MMS and Obama are generally classified as LW most of their actions and practices place them under RW. So what are we left with?

    Mahatma Gandhi was a good man with noble intentions but he definitely lacked vision. He wanted to turn the other cheek like Jesus but supported wars and the Khilafat movement. Shockingly, Nehru even thought we didn’t need an army and that the police was enough for our security. I doubt Gandhi would have objected to the ISIS and may have encouraged the Yazidis to surrender to their rape and death. A partition on religious lines, like that of India, should have been complete. The two desert religions – Christianity and Islam, now form a political axis in India, while they have been historically at war at every other place on earth. The Muslims were a true minority after Independence but they are not anymore. They are a “country within a country”. As for the Christians, they lagged behind so they are catching up through the Christian conversion mafia. They prospered more under the SoniaG regime. The only thing that separates the BJP and other Sickular parties is that BJP is not “Anti-Hindu” as the Sickulars are. Thus, in India, it is Chrislamists Vs Hindus (with the extreme Commies like CPM, CPI on the side of the Sickulars).

    East and West Germany could unite only because they were divided by “political ideology” and not really by religion. The Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots remain divided owing to religion. Ireland and Northern Ireland remain divided owing to religion. North and South Korea aren’t divided by religion but by political ideology. In 2011 Sudan was divided by Christians and Muslims on religious lines. Who are our politicians and media fooling with the nonsense of LW-RW conflict? India is a country of religions and it has and will remain a conflict between Chrislamists Vs Hindus unlike other parts of the world. It is natural that the Chrislamists object to and ridicule anything that is remotely Hindu. Let’s look at some samples:

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    There are many people (including Hindus) who ask: Why are Hindus bothered? Is their Faith so weak as to be threatened by minorities like Chrislamists? If it were a war waged only in India it would have been a very different thing but it’s not. Indian Muslims violently protest for anything and everything from Ulhasnagar to UK, Islamabad to Iran or Iraq or Andheri to America. Any small thing is enough to ignite their anger and violence. This is a Universal Brotherhood and not merely Muslims in India. Same goes for the Christians. John Dayal petitions the US to extend the ban on Modi. Earlier, the gang known as #65Traitors petitioned the US president to ban Modi from the US.


    Who are these people fighting in alliance with? Foreign media of the Christian mafia call Hindus “militants” and the pimps at NDTV promptly invite an anti-Hindu called Gardiner Harris to discuss the “idea of India”.How far it works is a matter of estimates but the Chrislamists believe their brethren in other parts are with them in their war on Hindus. Just read the tweet of the former Tehelka bimbo to understand who her warriors against Hindus are. You could blindly say the Faleiro types are the Chrislamists who infest our media – St Stephens, some work or qualification from England or US and so on. Now, if we can put this neurological disease of fake left and right wing nonsense in India we can proceed further with how the war on Hindus works. It is purely Chrislamists Vs Hindus, as it has been for ages.


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    I have been saying this for a long time now. Tell me guys, do you still believe in BJP being a right wing party?

    Courtesy: MediaCrooks
     
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  3. dastan

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    If vhp, rss would take upon themselves to contest in 2019 then we might have a right wing party :p
    As for BJP they're more or less centrist in approach but comparing them with our 'extreme leftist' comies and propaganda its easy for common people to get mislead.
     
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    Spot on @Mad Indian ,wht bjp has done for hindus to call it as a hindu party? Except sound bites!

    But sickulars parties're giving reservation to special schemes to so called minorties!

    There's no true right wing party in India to take courageous decision. Did bjp has guts to end all special minorties scheme?
    Or bring UGC,end discrimination to hindu run schools- RTE,decontrol temples from govt,bring anti-conversion law?
     
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    Most logically minded people know this yet the rationale for supporting em is 'better than UPA' thought process, if even that turns out bogus - then God help them.
     
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    When did BJP claim that it's a RIGHTWING party ?? They support Hindu agenda but they never were typical RW. Economically, after it's inception BJP accepted socialism as its core funda, even many RSS patriarchs are left wingers if you exclude Hindutva.

    What are you guys really suggesting by asking this question and dragging BJP in the courthouse as an accuse ?? May be I'm missing something, may be because I've seen places where Hindus always dominate not the opposite situation. But ultimately I don't really understand what's the demand actually ??
     
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    The idea of India as propagated by certain sections of Indian society and self acclaimed intellectual is just a construct to suit their elitist mindset. They feel threatened by the real India will all its complexities and dichotomies.
     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    India does not have a Right Wing Party.

    BJP's Integral Humanism can be called "Free Market Wellfare" as per western definitions, which is a Centerist position.

    All other parties are so far left that even a Centerist party like BJP seems like Right Wing in the reference frame.
     
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    Actually, I opened this thread to clear the misconception that BJP is a right wing party in India for the common men here

    This would be actually be very worrying if not for the fact that the present BJP leadership is pro capitalist and not socialist. I can only say this - if four decades of socialist decadence can't change their opinion on socialism, I dont know what will

    And, if BJP will not be the conservative party along the lines of Republicans of USA, then Hindus deserve another such right wing party to preserve their cultural roots and maintain a procapitalist economic policy

    If we had wanted a Congress style government and we would have voted for Congress and not for BJP. People here dont exist to serve BJP, BJP exists to serve us. If BJP is not good enough, then we will find a party which is. This is something which BJP needs to keep in mind.
     
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    So when are we going to get an actual right wing party then? We do deserve a free market oriented party which asserts India is a Hindu nation, just like how the Republicans of USA or the Christian Democrats of Germany do, don't we?
     
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    Am afraid we might never get one :(
     
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    Won't happen anytime soon. Left is too far entrenched and institutionalized in India.

    Also the people apparently do not want to. Some Bengalis are more concerned about Bangladeshis than India, Some Tamilians are more concerned about Sri Lanka than India. MIM & TRS is more enamored with the Nizam and Pakistan than India. Entire media is Anti-National Left driven.

    India is the land of Jaichands and Mir Zafars.

     
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    We might get one but it needs massive change in the attitudes of the people here. Politicians respond to incentives and if there is incentive to be a right wing politician(like Yogi adityanath) , then we will see more such politicians. So we need to increase the conciousness of our people in that regard, we might eventually and gradually shift one of our parties to be a proper right wing party
     
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    yes, I am not asking an overnight transformation. But awareness needs to be there. Leftist filth need to be systematically cleaned out from the institution and society
    Dont know about that
    True to some extend. I know dogs which would go so far as to want a seperate TN, masquerading as leftist scum(There is a reason why I hate them from the bottom of my heart).But this is not as acute a problem as you might think. Those ----ers would be a minority among a minority. Fortunately this trend is actually dying very fast. SL issues have very few takers if any. Only now are a few parties ready to openly challenge the LTTE supporters here(ADMK, BJP for instance).


    Of course all of that has a basic foundation in the Leftist filth taught to them in schools under History- about how they were dravidians and rightful owner of India who were driven to the southern India by the Northern Aryan invaders. Many people here dont understand the impact of such filth in our national security. It can be corrected only by a strong nationalist party in power. Another reason why we need a strong Right wing party in India

    MIM is shit so wont comment about that(I am not an idiot to blame Muslims for being smart and voting for themselves and their patrons). TRS is only doing politics over Nizam because Hindus are suicidally stupid retards. He would not have made statement like that if Telengana Hindus stop voting for him for such practices. So whose fault is that? I still think that right wing is necessary to keep this country together to avoid the fate of the Paki Hindus happening to everyone here.

    Nothing stops the supposedly RW orgs like RSS to fund the counter propaganda machinery to the anti national leftist media!

    What better time than now to clean these rats out of the country?
     
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    There is. Funding. There is no global Left Junta, or Church to fund RW publications.

    See this conversation with the CEO of Swarajya Mag, the first and only RW publication:

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    Yes, the time is now or never. Problem is there is a 90% change of it forever staying as never.
     
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    Good article as usual from MediaCrooks. I talk along the lines of a comparison to the GOP in US as a standard from a RW party, compared to which BJP would be a centre-left given their economic bent and even the anti-free-market bent of RSS in certain cases.

    Let me try to answer the questions raised and then move on to why the media tries to depict BJP as RW.

    #Would the BJP be willing to put a deadline for Reservations to end? Say, something like “by 2025”?

    Obviously not considering it too is deeply entrenched in caste based politics. It too has not opposed several reservation related bills while being in opposition.

    #Would the BJP be willing to take temple interference by govts away? Would they constitute some kind of national body to oversee temples without the Chrislamists?

    They should and frankly might in the later years. Subramanian Swamy is certainly a crusader for this along with other Hindu causes.

    #Would they be willing to amend the free speech bill and remove the nonsensical “ifs and buts” incorporated by Nehru?

    No. The minorities are too sensitive and unless BJP sees no net political loss in such as move which would need a Hindu vote bloc, this is not happening.

    #Would they be willing to repeal the draconian 66A in the IT Act?

    This is I am not sure is even RW. Its tied to free speech and a utterly useless law. This should be done away with ASAP. I don't really see why this would be a problem.

    #Uniform civil code? (And that doesn’t even have anything to do with any wing)

    I agree this does not have anything directly to do with any wing, but its a major component of minority appeasement. I believe you will see a shot at this late 2017.

    Now coming to my point, while I have myself stated that I do not consider BJP a RW party by a global standard. The reason that media tries to paint them as RW is as a pre-emptive and preventive measure against RW policies. I don't thin it will work much against Modi in the long run.

    My parameters for judging whether a party is RW would be along major aspects:

    Economic: Pro-free-markets, anti-welfare, lower taxes, remove progressive taxation (that's blatant transfer of wealth), sane & simple regulations
    Defence: Build offensive capability and not just defensive. Strict anti-terror laws, profiling if required
    Social: Guts to throw away the dubious secular nonsense and assert majority right etc.

    I'll elaborate more later as this is a topic that can be discussed at length.

    The core issue is that Modi is a politician, while there are things he will not compromise on, unless he sees a net benefit in RW policies in India, why would he purse them?
     
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    Come on dude, they have their sister org in power and they could not muster their own Newspaper? They could atleast try using the media for their own, like how the CONdogs did. Its no excuse
     
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    This is the point I have been making as well. We dont even need a HNP. Even Congress would suck upto us if we show that we can vote en bloc too and to our Hindu interest.

    Hindus should try to consolidate their votes as a bloc, shed this secular nonsense and Right/left non sense and stick up for themselves. I am sure if there is incentive to win more votes through Hindu consolidation further, BJP would implement anything we want.

    The only question is, are the Hindus done being suicidally stupid yet?
     
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    If you look closely there are news at local levels of Congi trying to shed its anti-Hindu image. For the leadership, it might be too late but not for the local level. S Swamy even tweeted something to the effect.

    Ironically, you use the lefties tool against them, 'collective bargaining'. If you vote as a block, you get what you want.

    I don't believe a majority of Hindus see this yet, in fact very few do, we can only hope things move in the right direction.
     
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    Here's something to ponder upon for those who say right wing politics is too far away from being a reality :

    What happens if Congress tries to build up a hindutva image?

    Wouldn't it force BJP to move farther towards right from the centrist position that they presently occupy?


    If BJP sweeps coming polls like previous year then won't the Congress (which is already en route trying to project soft hindutva) be forced to abandon their apologetic Hindu mindset?
     
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    Yup. Mamta out-lefted the left in Bengal, I would find it hilarious if Congress tried to out-right BJP. :pound:

    The libtrads and media would go crazy if both national parties in India had a right lean.
     

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