Is social conservatism necessary to protect Indian culture?

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  1. fruitcake

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    I would like to start a new thread on the issue described in the title. In the past 20 years over country has been slowly but steadily facing a cultural invasion from the West. Social Liberalism as advocated by the West and the Western backed media including the internet have been shaping the thinking of a lot of yuong people.I wonder how many realise that the promotion of Social Liberalism is apart of Cultural Globalisation. Afterall Globalisation is not merely a economic phenomenon. It has political and cultural aspects.
     
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    Social Liberalism is actually being used as a medium to forward the interests of Western based Cultural Globalisation.Modernist thinking and Liberal ideas are being used as a means to break conservative societies like ours and assimilate us in a GLobal cultural order.Our Culture is our identity. Unfortunately for many modernism has become opposing tradition for the sake of opposing and aping the West. The Cultural propaganda of outside forces is visible in the way the partly western owned media and the Internet are being used to propogate western thinking.
     
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    Issues like legalisation of Homosexuality, Gender issues and Porn are some issues that are important issues that I would like to be discussed here.
     
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    In the West Social Liberalism has resulted in a cultural decadence that has favored certain powerful interests. Western society that once used to value communities and family has become centered more around the individual. For business interests and western govts it is easier to control a society of individuals rather that a society that is held together by cultural and community based bonding.
    Internet Porn is the biggest proof that cultural decadence is being promoted by these powerful people to break down culturally conservative societies to make things easier to manage.


    In India Culture and tradition are part of our identity.Institution of Marriage,Religion, caste ethnicity, language are all part of our identity. Western style modernism and social Liberalism is being promoted to break our identity.
     
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    Interesting thread.

    I am all up for "Social Libertarianism" albeit with certain conditions.
     
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    Sir on the outset Social Liberalism may look harmless and noble but there are hidden dangers that have long surfaced in the West. Modernist thinking is frought with dangers.

    There are other motives behind the propogation of social Liberalism. The motives include cultural assimilation of the world as well attacking the cultural identity and hence the cultural soverignity of eastern societies.
     
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    Ideas like Legalisation of homosexuality and legalisation of Prostitution, Liberal views towards Porn can have consequences that most people do not think about.

    Gender biased laws in the name of "empowerment" and the destruction of marriage in the US is an example of cause an effect.
     
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    Is fruitcake another hello_10?:shocked:
     
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    Please explain this further.

    You think that homosexuality and prostitution were invented in the west?

    And how do you define Indian culture? After all Indian culture is extremely diverse and is made of several cultures, religions, ethnic groups, views, customs, traditions etc and has always been in change and open to new influences,

    There are many things we can learn from others and isolating yourself from the rest of the world will A.) Not work in a open and democratic society and B.) will lead to economic failure.
     
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    You can not stop incoming culture in globalized & liberal world, unless you want to restrict everything. But hey, even China couldn't do it.

    If your so-called culture has enough virtues then it will sustain or perish otherwise.
     
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    Homosexuality is a natural evolutionary trait. Nothing should be illegal about it.
    Prostitution is the world's oldest profession, it is a fact of life, and should be accepted.
     
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    Let government regulate/ban all that we consider to be vices like Drugs, Pornography, Tobacco, Gambling, Alcohol, Pornography, Prostitution etc.

    Any individual who wishes to partake it, needs to sign a waiver document, that he understands the risks and is giving up universal healthcare/insurance/adhaar privileges etc.

    For eg. Instead of educating us that smoking kills, and then selling cigarettes in every street corner. Don't spend billions in educating us, sell tobacco in only a few locations, at exorbitant rates, and increase their insurance premiums. If the individual wishes to quit, he will be provided subsidized rehab centres, etc. (subsidized from the money he spent on tobacco)

    Also marriage should not be decided by priests and the govt. If two or more consenting individuals wish to form a union, whether sexual, emotional, platonic or financial they should be allowed to do so. Only thing is deliberate and indirect exploitation should not be there, the onus is on these individuals to prove this to the state. Something like Companies or Partenship acts can be extended to such Civil unions. In such a scenario, a muslim can have four wives, a rich guy 10 wives, homosexual unions, and even live-in relationships etc.
     
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    Prior to attacking evil social liberalization or globalization we need to figure out what the indigenous culture and tradition is abt. Many, I'm afraid, can't tell much of such as Tao and Confucius values hence get lost or diffident in face of incoming cultures when the traditional anchor is absent.

    An interesting phenomenon is unlike newly mushroomed ones many ancient mosques and churches are in Chinese style architecture which look so natural. When these "foreign" elements came at the door they had to modify themselves or convince they were compatible and consistent with local traditions. In a way they got "assimilated" then "absorbed" by the powerful and self esteemed Chinese culture.

    Revival of home culture as the pillar IMO is also a confidence build-up to be open minded towards "liberalization".

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    When I started this thread I expected atleast some who do not think conventionally. But all I see is a few straight thinkers saying something that everyone knows. I could have rather watched MTV or a an English news channel.

    The people who would really understand the meaning and purpose of this thread are the ones who can see what is not presented to the world in open to see, ones who can find the hidden reasons behind some actions.
     
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    So what?
    A lot of immoral and illegal stuff have an ancient history. That is no reason to legalise them.

    Homosexuality is not natural. There are only two genders and two sexual orientations. Alternate sexual orientations develop later on in life of some people who's behavior and thoughts are influenced heavily by their opposite gender.

    There are only two genders and sexual orientations in Science.

    Just because some organisms indulge ib acts that are uncommon does not make it natural.

    My point here is not merely from a moralistic point of view.


    Prostitution is immoral and should remain illegal.It is flesh trade. If prostitution can decriminalised then by that logic a lot of other things can also be decriminalised.There are a lot of crimes that do not directly harm anyone yet they are criminalised because of the negative impact they have on society in the long term.
     
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    There are a lot of things in the world that do not happen randomly. They are purposely done. And if these trends have to be checked intentional action has to be take.

    It is some what like economy. No matter how liberal an economy is some amount of protectionism is required. Otherwise the external tsunami(economic or cultural) would simply overpower us.

    Even the most virtous cultures can be changed by constant bombardment by outside forces. If people are exposed to something over a long period of time they tend to accept it. It is similar to brainwashing by changing an entire generations thinking.

    We need not behave like China. But we have to do something that is not extreme.
     
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    Everyone knows that we are a very diverse country. But despite that diversity there is one thing that is common across almost all over India. Our various cultures are far more conservatinve in nature compared to western culture. And if we want to preserve this identity we will have to adopt some amount of protectionism.


    I am not Taliban. I am not asking for complete cultural isolation.
    I am only advocating an attempt to limit the cultural Tsunami that is changing the face of culture, politics, laws and ultimately our very future.
     
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    1. What is illegal ? Something which is against the law.
    2. What is immoral ? something which is against the moral values

    Now both of these ie law and morals are not constant but dynamic.

    And yes, I agree, that ancient history's happenings shouldn't be a diktat when legalizing or criminalizing things.

    You just mentioned "organisms" indulging in homosexuality, making it a natural phenomena.

    You may not be wrong to say that homosexuality is uncommon, but by no means is it unnatural.

    For the record Prostitution is not illegal in India, its a grey area though.

    If two individuals wish to engage in a very natural act of sexual intercourse, then why shouldn't they be allowed to ?
     
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    Sir, no freedom is absolute.

    Similarly no one is completely an induividual. Everyone is part of society.And therefore even aspects of life that can be called personal are not completely personal.

    I completely disagree with what you said with regards to marriages.
    A family is the smallest organised unit of society. In order to adhere to norms in society the Govt and religion should have a say in marriages. It cannot be a free for all.
    The concept of marriage in western society is wrong. The fact that marriages in the west are mere contracts is the reason for so many divorces and and broken families.

    In India marriage is union of sanctity. It is not a mere contract. That is the reason why marriages are strong in India. we should value this great asset we have instead of copyiung the west. The attitude of western modernity being right is wrong.
    Indian marriages not being a mere contract is the reason why there is trust between husband and wife. The family is strong. Our country's children are lucky to grow up in healthy families.

    If the institution of marriage loses its value families would be destroyed. As a result India's identity as a diverse society might also be under threat.
     
  21. Singh

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    @fruitcake you are raising pertinent and valid points. I have to leave for the day, I shall get back to you tomorrow.
     
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