Is Obama Introducing National Socialism to the United States?

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Is Obama Introducing National Socialism to the United States? | Power Line

That is a big topic on which much can be said. The U.S. has dabbled in National Socialism before; elements of Roosevelt's New Deal emulated Mussolini's policies, and were implemented by men who made no secret of their admiration for Il Duce. But it has been a long time since anyone has seriously tried to turn the United States in a National Socialist direction.

Which is what Barack Obama seems to be doing. Consider his 983 executive orders, compared with George W. Bush's 63 [See Update below]. Or his extra-constitutional czars; or his illegal cramdown of bondholders in auto bankruptcies; or the explosion in warrantless wiretaps and the even greater explosion in federal regulations; or his "green energy" scams to distort the economy and enrich political cronies; or the recent revelation that the Obama family costs U.S. taxpayers something like twenty times what the British Royal Family costs its subjects. Or, more important, consider Obamacare, a classic top-down National Socialist program.

And then there is the matter of style. The cult of personality is central to National Socialism, and Obama is part of that tradition to a degree that is, frankly, creepy. Consider this Obama poster:


As many observers have pointed out, this sort of image is fundamentally at odds with the American political tradition. Which, I suppose, is a point in its favor if you are Barack Obama. Compare the Obama poster with this one, which celebrated Lenin at the height of his dictatorial powers. The resemblance is eerie:
As I have written before, I consider Lenin to be the most evil man in world history. It was Lenin who introduced the language of pest control to politics, and both Hitler and Stalin are his legitimate progeny. Lenin, of course, was a Marxian Socialist, if you think the distinction is worth drawing. But how about the father of National Socialism, Benito Mussolini? Here is a comparable poster celebrating Il Duce:
It is ironic that Mussolini looks downright modest compared to The One. Maybe I am overstating the case, but it does seem to me that Obama lacks a basic understanding of, and sympathy with, the concepts of pluralism and tolerance that are necessary for any democratic society to function. I think is is truly urgent that we not give Obama another four years to lead the United States down a path that is far too well-trodden and that, history shows, leads only to disaster.
 

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Alarmist nonsense. :rolleyes:

snopes.com: President Obama's 923 Executive Orders

By our count, as of 28 September 2012 the total number of executive orders issued by President Obama was 138, not 923. Moreover, compared to President Obama's predecessors in the White House, this is not an unusually large number of orders for a modern president: President George W. Bush issued 291 executive orders during his eight years in office, while President Bill Clinton issued 364 such orders over the same span of time.
 

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obama, lenin and mussolini having the same outlook ? :pound:

there outlook couldn't be more apart
 

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^^So now that the lie has been busted, you hastily switch the subject?

Try posting from more credible sources instead of rabid right wing blogs and maybe you will find it easier to convince others of your views. I find it amusing how right wing ideologues in every country always run away from facts.......they're not very convenient to their simple-minded view of the world I guess. :rolleyes:
 

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^^So now that the lie has been busted, you hastily switch the subject?

Try posting from more credible sources instead of rabid right wing blogs and maybe you will find it easier to convince others of your views. I find it amusing how right wing ideologues in every country always run away from facts.......they're not very convenient to their simple-minded view of the world I guess. :rolleyes:
Again, do you have any understanding of Executive Orders as a means for Obama to circumvent Congress, and how it subverts the US Constitution? Your ignorant name-calling and insults indicate you do not. But what more can anyone expect from the usual sorry level of discourse allowed on DFI, and it's somnolent moderators. Of course, when one of them wakes up, this post will be deleted. :)
 

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obama, lenin and mussolini having the same outlook ? :pound:

there outlook couldn't be more apart
How refreshing it would be if you ever provided an actual argument to support one of your one-line sophomoric retorts.
 

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This article is total nonsense. Such content is a waste of space on DFI and should be deleted by mods immediately.
 

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Do you have any concept of the content of Obama's executive orders in light of what the U.S. Constitution allows?

1,461 Days of The Obama Administration: Current List of President Obama's Executive Orders

Not surprising that DFI's mini-me nazi jumps in first to defend National Socialism.
The US Constitution also requires the President to seek the approval of the US Congress before invading any country. I am sure Republican and Democrat Presidents, many of them, are guilty of violating this rule, or to be precise, abusing the US Constitution by citing the grace period.
 

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"Is Obama Introducing National Socialism to the United States?"

Yes, but it is not only Obama. When the Republican and Democrat Congressmen allowed for housing for all movement by coaxing banks to loan on easy terms (Community Reinvestment Act), Obama is not alone in leading America towards the shining path of socialism. :D
 

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Sensationalist crap. No presidential executive order will fly until everyone's on board. The Romney campaign is doing its best shooting themselves in the foot. Obama is winning this election on the back of republicans stupidity. He does not even need to try.
 

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No matter who is the President of the US, he will never be comfortable with real Socialism.

Socialism means an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy. "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous state enterprises.

National Socialism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into Völkisch nationalism.

Obama, I would be surprised, if he contributes to the real ideals of socialism since the US industries and services are not Govt owned. However, it is true that he is attempting to ensure that those who are on the lower rungs of US society are also taken on board the American Dream with schemes that appear an anathema to the rich since it also contradicts another US dictum of rewards going to those who toil to get the rewards. The means to riches of the rich, of course, is need not be fair or over the board. One is reminded of the Robber Barons in this context.

As far as far right politics is concerned which symbolises National Socialism, it is the Republics who are closest to it.

This is just a perception of one who has not seen the US up close and so it need not be right.
 

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No matter who is the President of the US, he will never be comfortable with real Socialism.

Socialism means an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy. "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous state enterprises.

National Socialism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into Völkisch nationalism.

Obama, I would be surprised, if he contributes to the real ideals of socialism since the US industries and services are not Govt owned. However, it is true that he is attempting to ensure that those who are on the lower rungs of US society are also taken on board the American Dream with schemes that appear an anathema to the rich since it also contradicts another US dictum of rewards going to those who toil to get the rewards. The means to riches of the rich, of course, is need not be fair or over the board. One is reminded of the Robber Barons in this context.

As far as far right politics is concerned which symbolises National Socialism, it is the Republics who are closest to it.

This is just a perception of one who has not seen the US up close and so it need not be right.
Your perception is right on :)
 

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Not that Obama is a favorite of mine,

But mindless and contrived arguments to slander has always got my goat and my back up.

One should attack with concrete examples and compare with the politics of those who attack, rather than lambaste on generalised mish mash!
 

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There is social and co-operative ownership of burden, just not responsibility. In other words, tax the hard working and feed the jobless. In America, no one can force you to work, but the law will force the hard worker to pay up for those that choose not to work.

The real socialism was in the pre-Brezhnev USSR, where everyone was forced to work, and everyone was forced to share. Not the best idea, but less parasitic.
 
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This article though alarming has a lot of truth to it. Healthcare system in USA has been socialized
under Obama and the Government is supporting 20% of the people and the banks and many industries
like auto,airlines etc... This is terrible that after fighting communists for decades USA had to go down this path.
 

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Tea Party cra#p. The American Republicans are really lacking in imagination. This sounds like a broken record.
 

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I think if the auto industry and other industries sink, then the unemployment will be very large.

What is the option?

Catch 22?
 

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I fully support the idea of national health care, its less expensive and more efficent than what we have now if operated properly. I would rather see some degree of socialism then a feudal society controlled by the rich which is where we seem to be heading. What I want to see is a larger middle class in the USA.
 

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Tea Party cra#p. The American Republicans are really lacking in imagination. This sounds like a broken record.
What is Tea Party? What is "broken record"?

Obama wants to "share the prosperity." There is no prosperity. He wants to share the misery. That defines socialism!































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