Is Karnataka the most dangerous state for Christians?

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    A nationwide report points out that in 2011, 172 incidents have been reported from across the country in which churches and Christians have been attacked. Karnataka tops the list with 47 incidents followed by Odisha with 25 incidents. Vicky Nanjappa reports.

    The spate of attacks on Christians and churches across India has seen an increase in the last three months. Karnataka in particular has made headlines as synchronised attacks took place in churches in Mangalore. Some activists complain that these attacks were a result of forcible conversions undertaken by some Christian missionaries.

    While the debate on forcible conversions continues, a report suggests that Karnataka has the dubious of reputation of topping the list as far as attacks on Christians are concerned.

    Dr Sajan George, president of the Global Council of Indian Christians, whose team prepared a nationwide report on such attacks says that in the midst of all great progress achieved by India, the most painful is the systematic attacks on churches and those belonging to the minority community by anti-Christian fundamentalists in different parts of the country.

    Statistics collected through complaints lodged before the various police stations across the country reveal that in 2011 there have been 172 incidents across the country in which Christians have been attacked. Karnataka tops the list with 47 incidents followed by Odisha with 25 incidents.

    The other states that have witnessed such incidents are Madhya Pradesh (15), Kerala (10), Tamil Nadu, Chattisgarh, Uttar Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra have reported six attacks each.

    According to the complaints lodged at various police stations these incidents are of murder, maiming of people belonging to the minority community, leaving victims handicapped for life, says the report.

    Other incidents include demolishing or burning down churches, destroying or desecrating of Christian literature like the Bible, the Eucharist, hymnbooks, vestments, musical instruments and furniture and destroying vehicles used by churches. Incidents of forcibly taking over of Church properties, burial places, personal properties of Christians have also been reported.

    Dr George points out that in Karnataka the attacks have increased since the Bharatiya Janata Party came to power in the state. Various Christian-baiting Sangh Parivar outfits can now go about attacking the minorities with impunity either openly or covertly supported by their political mentors, he said.

    Since 2008, attacks on Christians has seen a rise with 147 such incidents reported in 2011.

    Odisha on the other hand has witnessed three murders last year. The report states that there is an attempt being made to hush up these cases despite there being sufficient witnesses and evidence to prove that innocent Christians were targeted.

    "It is tragic that certain forces in the country are determined to carry on the cycle of violence. Otherwise, how can one explain the fact that the fundamentalists in Kandhamal could go to the extent of declaring a shutdown in the district from December 23 to December 27? This was to deny Christians from celebrating Christmas," said Dr George. (There was a shut down in the district on December 26).

    In Bengaluru, 200 fundamentalists attacked the Agape Bible Church on December 12.

    Justice M F Saldanha, who has prepared a detailed paper on the church attacks in the Karnataka, points out that such incidents should be treated as acts of terror. "Attacks on churches are very much a reality and they continue even to this day. The last three months have seen an increase in the attacks on Christians and churches," he said.

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    The state in which the neo-evangelist, fundamental,baptist christians whose only focus is market conversion for the lure of western money are maximum in number, is the most dangerous state for other christians.

    Today it may be Karnataka, tomorrow it may be another state.

    Unless the state cracks down on these foreign funded missionaries who are threatening the root of India, these attacks unfortunately will continue and it is the christians themselves who are to be blamed for letting these neo-evangelists sully their name.
     
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    Not Karnataka , but State of pakistan is:namaste::namaste::namaste::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    Thank goodness Karnataka is standing up for itself, after destroying Kerala and Tamil Nadu the pigs are crying when someone is trying to stop them...
     
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    Unfortunately what the attackers and their tacit supporters fail to admit/realize is that the root of India they are so violently trying to preserve is itself rotten in some ways. Truth of the matter is that a lot of people want to convert to Christianity in order to escape the persecution due to their low caste. The evangelists are merely providing them an opportunity to do so and hence technically they aren't doing anything wrong. The people who unfurl violence on the other hand are technically committing a crime.
     
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    That's what the missionaries want the people to believe and unfortunately many have bought it hook,line & sinker.

    Caste does not magically vanish when you become a chrstian...for example in TN there are christian thevars, christian Dalits, christian nadars etc and they follow their caste rituals as if christianity has nothing to do with them..In some areas in TN christian dalits are not allowed to bury their dead along with OBC christians like Thevars and nadars. There is no intermarriage between christian of various castes. And in some places even the churches are different.

    Then you have the Christian orgs themselves tacitly accepting the presence of caste by trying to get caste based reservation for dalit christians.

    Casteism present only in Hinduism and by converting to chrsitianity you escape it magically is unadulterated BS and is a hogwash. It doesnt matter if you are christian or hindu...Casteism is well entrenched in south asian psyche. So no more excuses please.
     
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    Racism in the Bible:

    Ham is considered to be the ancestor of African people, Shem is considered to be the ancestor of Semites, and Japheth is considered to be the ancestor of Europeans.
     
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    Huh? Are they above the law ?

    So what you are saying is attack on Christians is nothing wrong, just because Christians convert people.

    Nice governance from the Karnataka govt!!
     
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    The more you persecute the more they convert.

    "The blood of martyrs is the seed of Christianity." - Tertullian
     
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    'considered'....? by whom?
     
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    @Energon, money is changing hands to change one's religion to Christianity, lot of it coming from evangelist groups abroad. This could be a security risk as seen in Kudamkulam where foreigners are reported to have taken part in the agitation.
     
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    missionaries they only target poor people on the basis of money..Made a business network like AMWAY....In Chattishgarh also they build a root ..to maximize the numbers...Govt need to workout on the foreign paid missionaries ....Cure this cancer...:shocked:
     
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    Christian aggression in Cauvery layout, india

     
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    If there are cases of fraud or allurement for conversion you report it to the Police or peacefully demonstrate or protest against this and raise awareness. If there is a particular case of agressive conversion using fraudulent means, you report that group only

    Attacking Churches and Christians randomly WEAKENS the stand that these people are trying to make.
     
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    Actually this is the crux of the issue. The problem of caste can be traced back to the foundational Hindu roots of India; the Christian missionaries are merely exploiting a pre existing problem, how well they actually succeed is irrelevant. And you're right, it isn't very successful. Point is that Hindus of today are really the only ones who can actively address this social disease by promoting mass enlightenment just as the Christians did in post renaissance Europe. And honestly Hindus aren't doing that. The (upper class) urban masses for the most part are entirely apathetic and the self proclaimed defenders of Hinduism are more interested in obsessing over high profile meaningless issues and displaying chauvinism.

    By resorting to violence Hindus are essentially validating the opposite effect. It creates the feeling that Hindus will stoop down to criminal violence and vandalism to maintain the status quo.

    Yes, but if you look at it objectively they aren't doing anything wrong. Money even if a pittance offered by Christian missionaries is money the destitute recipients never had. You can't blame them for taking it. After all the wealthy Indians have gladly accepted capital from the West to further their own interests and have in the process endorsed the Western way of life.

    Point is obsessing over the infusion of Western money is pointless. Unless and until Hindus organize themselves and offer a better alternative there is nothing to cry foul about. And again, resorting to violence is the most self defeating thing the Hindus can do to their own cause.
     
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    The matter is not really that simple. The crimes shown here are typical hate crimes, that is common in many western countries as well. Jew cemeteries are regularly desecrated in US. Does that mean Americans hate Jews? We must not forget one thing -even after enlightenment,it took west many centuries of trial and error to get where it is today.Hindu reformers for centuries have been trying this. And believe me there have been improvements. Without these improvements, democracy would not have survived in India. Chaitanyadeva was one of the pioneers in social reformers in India. The crux of the matter is enlightenment took centuries to seep into Europe. We must give India this time for social reform movement to seep in.
     
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    Actually this is a myth propagated by liberals. Believe me, my region has seen the worst face of these who claim to be "persecuted". The reason why people are in the mess is because of their "leaders" who started throwing shyte at the fan. We've been seeing this crap for very long and now are tired of the same ridiculous lies.
     
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    What's this?? where are Asians ???
     
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    No they are not.

    But what is the use treating the symptoms and not the disease ?

    And FYI its not the conversion thats the issue...but HOW they convert that's the issue.
     
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