Is Hindi an imposed language in India?

[asingh10]

Colonial European powers never had the manpower to change the culture or language of the native people.
But invaders like the Aryans, Arabs and Turks did have the manpower to change the culture and language of
the native people. Fortunately southern India was protected by the Chola, Chera and Pandya Kingdoms
against the Aryans during ancient period and during the medieval period southern India was protected
by the Chalukya Dynasty and Vijayanagar Empire against the Arabs and Turks. This is the main reason
why many north Indians and Persians are Muslims and even use the Arab alphabet as they were conquered
by the Arabs and Turks.

Why don't you mention that Chalukyas were allied with Gurjara Pratiharas (Gujarat) and Mewar (Rajasthan) in those wars with Arabs. These kingdoms weren't bickering about North vs South then as some are in this thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rajasthan

Also, Cholas claimed descent from a Shibi Raja who's story appears in Mahabharat and Jatakas. This king was from western Punjab, Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibi_Jataka#Connections_with_the_Chola_Dynasty
https://archive.org/stream/TribesInAncientIndia#page/n99/mode/2up

It is said that Solankis in Guj/Rajesthan/MP and Rathods also came from South Indian dynasties like Chalukyas and Rashtrakutas.

Heard of Chandragupta Maurya ? Born in Magadha (Northern India), died in Karnataka's Bhadrabahu caves as a Jain ascetic(Southern India). His Guru (Chanakya) from Kerala (Southern India), went onto study in Takshishila (Pakistan), chose to live in Magadha (Northern India). 2000 years ago. India has always been 1 civilization. So don't get so uptight over half baked North-South construct created by British that is less than 150 years old.

 

[sabari]

Cry a big river to modi as he is the biggest hindi turd,you must've missed his awesome speeches abroad when he used hindi to present our indian culture and values,he also spends millions on hindi diwas.

What language did he used to communicate with tamilians when he visited malaysia ?

Great man who is ready to give more than 50000 crore for nothan state in name of disaster relief but not ready to give even 1000 crore for tn great leader with bad eye

 

[Bornubus]

Why don't you mention that Chalukyas were allied with Gurjara Pratiharas (Gujarat) and Mewar (Rajasthan) in those wars with Arabs. These kingdoms weren't bickering about North vs South then as some are in this thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rajasthan

Also, Cholas claimed descent from a Shibi Raja who's story appears in Mahabharat and Jatakas. This king was from western Punjab, Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibi_Jataka#Connections_with_the_Chola_Dynasty
https://archive.org/stream/TribesInAncientIndia#page/n99/mode/2up

It is said that Solankis in Guj/Rajesthan/MP and Rathods also came from South Indian dynasties like Chalukyas and Rashtrakutas.

Heard of Chandragupta Maurya ? Born in Magadha (Northern India), died in Karnataka's Bhadrabahu caves as a Jain ascetic(Southern India). His Guru (Chanakya) from Kerala (Southern India), went onto study in Takshishila (Pakistan), chose to live in Magadha (Northern India). 2000 years ago. India has always been 1 civilization. So don't get so uptight over half baked North-South construct created by British that is less than 150 years old.

And may i ask where did those central asian Shakas went who used to rule present day rajasthan and parts of gujrat and MP ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudradaman_I

 

[Dreamhunter]

Why don't you mention that Chalukyas were allied with Gurjara Pratiharas (Gujarat) and Mewar (Rajasthan) in those wars with Arabs. These kingdoms weren't bickering about North vs South then as some are in this thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rajasthan

Also, Cholas claimed descent from a Shibi Raja who's story appears in Mahabharat and Jatakas. This king was from western Punjab, Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibi_Jataka#Connections_with_the_Chola_Dynasty
https://archive.org/stream/TribesInAncientIndia#page/n99/mode/2up

It is said that Solankis in Guj/Rajesthan/MP and Rathods also came from South Indian dynasties like Chalukyas and Rashtrakutas.

Heard of Chandragupta Maurya ? Born in Magadha (Northern India), died in Karnataka's Bhadrabahu caves as a Jain ascetic(Southern India). His Guru (Chanakya) from Kerala (Southern India), went onto study in Takshishila (Pakistan), chose to live in Magadha (Northern India). 2000 years ago. India has always been 1 civilization. So Don't get so uptight over half baked North-South construct that is less than 150 years old.

Very funny joke
The Chalukya Dynasty was never allied whith the Pratiharas as there are not any evidence for a so called
alliance. The Chalukya Dynasty defeated the Arab invaders when they tried to invade the Deccan and drove
the Arabs out of southern India. The Chalukya general Pulakesi even received the title Protector of Southern India by the Chalukya Emperor for his victory against the Arabs. On the other hand The Pratiharas
failed to recover the region of modern Pakistan from the Arab invaders which is the main reason
why Pakistan became a Muslim country.

 

[sabari]

They are in control and this is the reason why Hindus are 80% Where as look at south. Ernakullam has 38% Christian Population alone.

You people are easy targets of intellectual subversion.

With out eradication of cast practice in hinduisam. we can't save Hindu religion.

 

[Bornubus]

Great man who is ready to give more than 50000 crore for nothan state in name of disaster relief but not ready to give even 1000 crore for tn great leader with bad eye

That is condemnable.


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[asingh10]

Very funny joke
The Chalukya Dynasty was never allied whith the Pratiharas as there are not any evidence for a so called
alliance. The Chalukya Dynasty defeated the Arab invaders when they tried to invade the Deccan and drove
the Arabs out of southern India. The Chalukya general Pulakesi even received the title Protector of Southern India by the Chalukya Emperor for his victory against the Arabs. On the other hand The Pratiharas
failed to recover the region of modern Pakistan from the Arab invaders which is the main reason
why Pakistan became a Muslim country.

Did you read that link at all ? It clearly mentions Nagabhatta of Gurjara dynasty and Bappa Rawal of Mewar as allies of Vikramaditya, the Chalukyan king during Indo-Arab wars.

Subsequent to the Arab conquest of Sindh in 712 CE, Arab armies engaged kings further east of the Indus. Between 724 and 810 CE, a series of battles took place between the Arabs and the north Indian Emperor Nagabhata I of the Gurjara-Pratihara Dynasty, the south Indian Emperor Vikramaditya II of the Chalukya dynasty, and other small Indian kingdoms. In the north, Nagabhata of thePratihara Dynasty defeated a major Arab expedition in Malwa.[3] From the South, Vikramaditya II sent his general Pulakesi, who defeated the Arabs in Gujarat.[4] Later in 776 CE, a naval expedition by the Arabs was defeated by the Saindhava naval fleet

The weakened Arab forces were driven out by the subsidiaries of the erstwhile kings. The Guhilot prince Bappa Rawal (734-753) drove out the Arabs who had put an end to the Maurya dynasty at Chittor.[22] A Jain prabhanda mentions a king Nahada, who is said to have been the first ruler of his family at Jalor, nearBhinmal, and who came into conflict with a Muslim ruler whom he defeated.[23] Nahada is identified with Nagabhata I (730-760), the founder of the Gurjara Pratihara dynasty, which is believed to have started from the Jalor-Bhinmal area and spread to Avanti at Ujjain.[24] The Gwalior inscription of the king Bhoja I, says that Nagabhata, the founder of the dynasty, defeated a powerful army of Valacha Mlecchas (Baluch foreigners) around 725 CE.[25] Even though many historians believe that Nagabhata repulsed Arab forces at Ujjain, there is no authentic information about where precisely he encountered them.

 

[sabari]

That is condemnable.


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What is the relief aide that Tamil nadu get for tana cyclone which destroyed kadalur district.nothing.sorry to say northan medias are not even ready to connect a debate about januside which was done in srilankasrilanka.were is arnab goswami from time news channel when there is januside happening in sri lanka .were is barka from nd tv the great women who repoted kargil war. Solder from tamil nadu fighted along solder from north during 1972,1999,but what did the north gived use when our tamil peaple were killed in sri lanka.
And first read before you like a post

 

[Dreamhunter]

Did you read that link at all ? It clearly mentions Nagabhatta of Gurjara dynasty and Bappa Rawal of Mewar as allies of Vikramaditya, the Chalukyan king during Indo-Arab wars.

Wikipedia at its best.
This is the interpretation of some nationalistic Indians. But its a fact that there is no evidence for a so called
alliance between the south Indian Chalukya Dynasty and the Pratiharas.
Based on historical facts we only know that the Chalukya Dynasty defeated the Arab invaders in 738 CE to
protect southern India which is stated in the Chalukya records. But the Chalukya records never
mentioned an alliance with the Pratiharas

 

[Screambowl]

Very funny joke
The Chalukya Dynasty was never allied whith the Pratiharas as there are not any evidence for a so called
alliance. The Chalukya Dynasty defeated the Arab invaders when they tried to invade the Deccan and drove
the Arabs out of southern India. The Chalukya general Pulakesi even received the title Protector of Southern India by the Chalukya Emperor for his victory against the Arabs. On the other hand The Pratiharas
failed to recover the region of modern Pakistan from the Arab invaders which is the main reason
why Pakistan became a Muslim country.

yeah but their languages , (official) were Kannada and SANSKRIT!!!!!


According to the Nilagunda inscription of King Vikramaditya VI (11th century or later), the Chalukyas originally hailed from Ayodhya where fifty-nine kings ruled, and later, sixteen more of this family ruled from South India where they had migrated.

 

[asingh10]

Wikipedia at its best.

Follow the foot links, they give the sources for it.

This is the interpretation of some nationalistic Indians. But its a fact that there is no evidence for a so called
alliance between the south Indian Chalukya Dynasty and the Pratiharas.
Based on historical facts we only know that the Chalukya Dynasty defeated the Arab invaders in 738 CE to
protect southern India which is stated in the Chalukya records. But the Chalukya records never
mentioned an alliance with the Pratiharas

You must have read the Chalukyan records then. Do post. And what's wrong with being nationalistic Indian ?

 

[Dreamhunter]

Follow the foot links, they give the sources for it.



You must have read the Chalukyan records then. Do post. And what's wrong with being nationalistic Indian ?

There is nothing wrong about being nationalistic but we should not change historical facts because
of our emotions. Not even one Southern Indian Emperor ever cared about the safety of northern India.
Let me give you some examples.
When the southern Indian Emperor Satakarni of the Satavahana Dynasty expelled the Scythian invaders
from the Deccan, he called himself Protector of the south. Despite of his successes he never tried
to liberate northwestern India from Scythian rule. The Chalukya Emperors defeated the Arabs and even
occupied parts of Gujarat. Yet they never made any attempts to liberate northwestern India from Arab rule.
The Chola Dynasty was the most powerful Empire in South Asia in the 11th century after conquering
Kalinga, Bengal, Bihar, Sri Lanka and large parts of Southeast Asia. At that time the Turkic invader Ghazni
invaded north India several times and spread misery and death but the Chola Emperors simply did not
care. Krishna Devaraya was the most powerful Emperor of India in the 16th century who defeated the Turkic
invaders and who received the title Destroyer of the Turks. He had unlike north Indian rulers an advanced
army which used cannons. At that time Babur invaded north India and brought the Rajputs to their
knees. Krishna Devaraya was the only Emperor who had the power to defeat Babur but he did
nothing to liberate north India from Mughal rule.
Even the Marathas did nothing but to abuse the Rajputs when they invaded north India.

 

[Mad Indian]

Even the Marathas did nothing but to abuse the Rajputs when they invaded north India.

And that's just blatant lies. Marathas saw themselves as rightful rulers of all of India and Hindus. I don't know about other rulers with pan India vision though If they hadn't been backstabbed from within, and were not under incompetent morons, they would have succeeded in uniting India under a single Hindu empire, like how Germany or Italy formed during the 19th century. And of course, many Hindu ruling elites were very content under muzzie kings as dhimmis so long as their elite status was not revoked. That's why many northern kingdoms offered little resistance to Muslim invaders and rulers.

Rest, I think is plausible. Most of the time, the northern and southern morons in india were busy fighting each other than show an united front against the invaders. Vijayanagar for instance had to fight the alliance nizams of deccan, north and Orissa king- gajapathis (yes, the same Hindu kingdom which should have been allied with vijayanagar instead of fighting with it), before , they established their empire in the south.


And of course, it is laughable that northies claim to be fighters by birth when they spent most of known history under foreign boots. All that shit about martial theory is after the fact that majority of Britshit army were from Sikhs , muzzies and Gurkhas, specially after the 1857 revolt, when the majority Bengali sepoys revolted against the britshits . benaglis were among the front runners of freedom struggle and that's one of the reason for their stereotyping by britshits(after 1857 ) as cowardly intellectuals , while those loyal to britshits like Sikhs, gurkhas and muzzies were hailed as martial race

 

[Dreamhunter]

And that's just blatant lies. Marathas saw themselves as rightful rulers of all of India and Hindus. I don't know about any other rulers. If they hadn't been backstabber from within, and were not under incompetent morons, they would have succeeded in uniting India under a single Hindu empire, like how Germany or Italy formed during the 19th century.

Rest, I think is plausible. Most of the time, the northern and southern morons in india were busy fighting each other than show an united front against the invaders. Vijayanagar for instance had to fight the alliance nizams of deccan, north and Orissa king- gajapathis (yes, the same Hindu kingdom which should have been allied with vijayanagar instead of fighting with it), before , they established their empire in the south.


And of course, it is laughable that northies claim to be fighters by birth when they spent most of known history under forging boots. All that shit about martial theory is after the fact that majority of Britshit army were from Sikhs , muzzies and Gurkhas, specially after the 1857 revolt, when the majority Bengali sepoys revolted against the britshits . benaglis were among the front runners of freedom struggle and that's one of the reason for their stereotyping by britshits(after 1857 ) as cowardly intellectuals , while those loyal to britshits like Sikhs, gurkhas and muzzies were hailed as martial race.

Shivaji had a vision of an united India. But his successors were only interested in plundering the kingdoms
of northern india. The Rajputs were heavily taxed by the Marathas which was the main reason why
the Rajputs refused to help the Marathas in the battle of Panipat.

 

[Mad Indian]

Shivaji had a vision of an united India. But his successors were only interested in plundering the kingdoms
of northern india. The Rajputs were heavily taxed by the Marathas which was the main reason why
the Rajputs refused to help the Marathas in the battle of Panipat.

Makes sense I suppose, like the way the Hindi turds here are wanting to impose their illegitimate language on us all, which would, if at the very least would put a full stop to Hindu and Indian nationalism.

 

[asingh10]

@Dreamhunter

Marathas wanted to liberate all of India. They tried to conquer Gandhara & Indus even after Shivaji (Battle of Attock), so your point about post Shivaji Maratha rulers being regionalistic is bunkum.

Here's a conversation between Baji Rao Peshwa and Shahu Maharaj :-

"Let us transcend the barren Deccan and conquer central India. The Mughals have become weak indolent womanizers and opium-addicts. The accumulated wealth of centuries in the vaults of the north, can be ours. It is time to drive from the holy land of Bharatvarsha the outcaste and the barbarian. Let us throw them back over the Himalayas, back to where they came from. The Maratha flag must fly from the Krishna to the Indus. Hindustan is ours. "
He fixed his piercing gaze on Shahu Maharaj and said,
"Strike, strike at the trunk and the branches will fall off themselves. Listen but to my counsel, and I shall plant the Maratha banner on the walls of Attock".
Shahu was deeply impressed and exclaimed, "By heaven, you shall plant it on the Himalayas."

Where does he talk of North and South ?

Also Shivaji had personally written a letter to Jai Singh, urging him as a fellow Hindu to aid his efforts to overthrow Muslim Mughal tyranny from Delhi.The contents of his letter, from 1665 - before his visit to Aurangzeb's court, can be read here :-

https://archive.org/stream/DeliverranceOrTheEscapeOfShivajiTheGreatFromAgra#page/n289/mode/2up


Marathas also allied with Sikhs in the battle of Sirhind. Peshwa Raghunath Rao donated gold to the Amritsar temple after Afghans were chased out. Also look up Maharaja Chattarsaal, Rajput ally of Shivaji & Baji Rao Peshwa.

 

[asingh10]

Ahilya Bai Holkar one of the greatest Maratha rulers, got many great Hindu temples in Deccan and North renovated. This was after Shivaji :-


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahilyabai_Holkar

 

[Bangalorean]

This thread shows why the AIT is such a dangerous and pathetic thing we have in our textbooks. There are some so-called "North Indians" who still think they are some "Aryans" whose ancestors were raped by fair-skinned blond-haired Europeans. This is similar to Pakis who take pride in the "fact" that their ancestors were raped by Arabs and Central Asians and beat their chests about their "pure roots".

Stop this shit guys. This Aryan-Dravidian crap has to stop.

Coming to the actual question: well yes, I have encountered this but in a different way compared to what the thread starter probably thinks.

Firstly, let me proclaim that I am a very fluent Hindi speaker. I have been brought up all over the country, and I can fit in as well in Jaipur or Bhopal as in Bangalore or Hyderabad.

Now, the issue I have faced is when certain folks from certain regions in the nation (mainly NCR types, fondly called TDCs) come over to earn a living in Bangalore or Hyderabad etc., they have an extreme sense of entitlement. They mock the local cultures and local customs, make fun of the languages, and snobbishly expect everyone to speak THEIR language.

If you don't want to learn the local language, no one can force you to - free country and all that. But at least show some respect to the local cultures, customs and people instead of mocking them and coming here with a false superiority complex. The reason you came here was because your own places are shitholes with no job opportunities. Do keep this in mind and get rid of the false superiority complex. Economics = strength. Some people would do well to remember this.

 

[asingh10]

Shivaji had a vision of an united India. But his successors were only interested in plundering the kingdoms
of northern india. The Rajputs were heavily taxed by the Marathas which was the main reason why
the Rajputs refused to help the Marathas in the battle of Panipat.

There are records of Marathas plundering South as well. Marathas under Bhausaheb Patwardhan attacked Shringeri Mutt in 1791 for gold. Pindaris raided Hyderabad Nizam. Collected chauth tax from the Mysore state during the reign of Wadiyars. Not only Rajputs but Jats & Sikhs also refused to help Marathas in Panipat. The reason wasn't just taxation but also the fact that Marathas had installed the Mughal emperor back in Delhi. Jats had been helping the Marathas against Afghans initially but left midway precisely because of this reason, they wanted control of Delhi themselves while Marathas wanted to install the Mughal emperor as a puppet ruler.

You are giving simplistic explanations here to fit your North vs South viewpoint.

 

[Dreamhunter]

Makes sense I suppose, like the way the Hindi turds here are wanting to impose their illegitimate language on us all, which would, if at the very least would put a full stop to Hindu and Indian nationalism.

Yes you are right.
The main reason why southern Indian people will never accept Hindi is because we do not respect
Hindi as it was created by Arabs and Turks. If we accept Hindi we would digrace our ancestors
who destroyed the same Arab and Turkic invaders during the Chalukya and Vijayanagar period
and we would disgrace our ancestors who spread the flag of south India in Southeast Asia,
north India and Sri Lanka during the Chola period. We would not be better than the pathetic
Pakis who still celebrate the Arab invaders who raped their own ancestors.