Is Hafiz Saeed dead?

[Darth Malgus]

Hafiz was addressing a rally on 39/09..
dna report was published the next day i,e.. 1st Oct.
It was not any video but eyewitness account.

I don't think he addressed any Rally on 29th, there are a lot of rumors floating around about Hafeez's death...

 

[abingdonboy]

Apparently Hafiz Saeed had disappeared for the last few weeks since the Indian raids. Question is was he caught in the SF raid?

Now comes this news about his heart attack:


This guy has been talking about some High Value Target since the day of the raid.


Please keep this thread updated on the news. Once confirmed, it will either be allowed to run or closed down.

Nah, 100% this coward has simply, with the aide of his ISI backers, run to his safehouse(s) to ensure he faces no risk from Indian action.

 

[abingdonboy]

No way such a news can be kept under wraps.
I doubt if it is either Masood or Hafiz.

I think they should be taken out by assassination squads though. Poisoning/bum blast/sharp shooter.

Give R&AW's Pakistan division and Special Group the job and this animal would be dead within a year.

 

[Navnit Kundu]

Apparently Hafiz Saeed had disappeared for the last few weeks since the Indian raids. Question is was he caught in the SF raid?

Now comes this news about his heart attack:


This guy has been talking about some High Value Target since the day of the raid.


Please keep this thread updated on the news. Once confirmed, it will either be allowed to run or closed down.

Since this is still in the realm of speculation, let me add my own speculation. I think the fact that there aren't any live ball by ball updates from him is not conclusive evidence that he may be dead. Similar questions were raised when Putin suddenly disappeared during the Ukraine fiasco. He emerged a week later and apparently he was with his girlfriend who delivered a baby or some shit like that. If Hafiz Saeed were dead, would the BJP allow the brownie points to go down the drain by not claiming credit for it? And if Hafiz was killed, would Pakistan keep insisting that there were no surgical strikes, instead of using it as fodder to recruit more jihadis to LeT?

It's still befuddling to me why Pakistan is insisting the raids didn't happen, given that their narrative has always been that of an 'aggressor Indian Goliath' being pushed back by the mighty Pakistani army. This might be the first time in international relations where the attacker is saying "I have broken the ceasefire, breached your territory and hit you" and the victim is saying "no no, you have not breached any rules". Basically they are letting us have an escape route, which means that if they find out that we have destroyed more things than we had initially claimed, then they cannot stick that bill on us, because they have already given us a clean chit.

If indeed Hafiz Saeed was killed in this raid, then Pakistan has already given a clean chit to India. How is this going to help the Pakistani narrative? Too much confusion on my side. Maybe this is what they call the fog of war.

 

[mayfair]

I think the fact that there aren't any live ball by ball updates from him is not conclusive evidence that he may be dead.
...
If Hafiz Saeed were dead, would the BJP allow the brownie points to go down the drain by not claiming credit for it? And if Hafiz was killed, would Pakistan keep insisting that there were no surgical strikes, instead of using it as fodder to recruit more jihadis to LeT?

You've answered your own question. No one's for sure if Hafeez is dead or not. It's not even clear if the state of his health had anything to do with last week's strike. However, we did hear a lot of chatter and whispers about a high value target (HVT) being taken out or captured. Now I think it's less likely that an aiyyaashi, aaram pasand, rotund pig like Hafiz Saeed will go anywhere near the spartan LeT camps near the LoC. Not just because the accommodation will be less than comfortable, but also due to a real danger of him being taken out in surgical strikes or even mortar fire from across. No, the pig is cowardly and self-preservationist to the core to keep himself safely enmeshed in Muridke, while he dispatches cannon fodder to the LoC and elsewhere.

However, it's possible that his son or top commanders were there to oversee the final stages of a big terror strike and they were taken out or captured. Plus, he is rumoured to have lost a few handlers and preachers in the strike. These are more valuable than ordinary jihaadis, because they probably occupy a space higher up the ladder and replacing them becomes difficult.

The reports of heart attack too seem puzzling. It's probably a stretch to imagine that he may have been "poisoned" ala Al Baghdadi, which would suggest that the surgical strikes "penetrated" far deeper than acknowledged and this was not the spur of the moment- groundwork was in lace and would have happened sooner or later. Uri was the trigger.

Regarding, claiming the credit for offing him. If he turns up alive after a few days, months or even years, those who claimed credit will have a egg on their faces. The others will run riot. No, the best curse of action is let the details come out on their known. If he's indeed halaaled or incapacitated, it will come our sooner or later.

It's still befuddling to me why Pakistan is insisting the raids didn't happen, given that their narrative has always been that of an 'aggressor Indian Goliath' being pushed back by the mighty Pakistani army. This might be the first time in international relations where the attacker is saying "I have broken the ceasefire, breached your territory and hit you" and the victim is saying "no no, you have not breached any rules". Basically they are letting us have an escape route, which means that if they find out that we have destroyed more things than we had initially claimed, then they cannot stick that bill on us, because they have already given us a clean chit.

If indeed Hafiz Saeed was killed in this raid, then Pakistan has already given a clean chit to India. How is this going to help the Pakistani narrative? Too much confusion on my side. Maybe this is what they call the fog of war.

You should understand the psychology of the Baki army. It has been amply explained by gurus on BRF, in media and "scholars" from overseas who have had a chance to see TSPA up close.

Christine (un)Fair, the Baki-loving motorhama, who turned sour on them has this to say about the TSPA

"[Pakistani army] view defeat very differently. They don't view it in terms of territory lost or value of territory or number of lives lost. They view defeat as that moment when they can no longer resist India."

Now this is a very important point to understand. Losses in war do not count as long as Pakistani army is alive and kicking and ready to fight the next battle with the "Hindu Indians".
Lost land in 1965-> India did not take over Lahore, Sialkot, AoA, we won.
Lost East Pakistan, Turtuk, land along LoC and 90,000 PoWs in 1971-> India failed to dismember Pakistan into more than two parts, AoA, we won.
Lost in Siachen-> We are facing eevil Yeendus at Siachen and eevil yeendus cannot come further (nevermind we cannot even see it, nor have we shown any interest in going further yet), AoA, we won.
Lost in Kargil-> India never crossed the LoC, We sit on top of a previously unoccupied peak on LoC (nevermind surrounded by IA posts on three sides and would the first to be roasted in a war), Internationalised the Kashmir issue, AoA, it was a tactical victory screwed by Ganja Sharif.

And now the Uri strikes. You get the picture.

Any public humiliation that leads to the loss of their self-proclaimed "honour and dignity" especially vis-a-vis India is what they perceive as true defeat.

The surgical strikes caught them totally unawares. They expected that it would be business as usual as it was during MMS time- dossiers, diplomacy etc. To be fair to them, GoI too seemed to be headed in that direction and they thought, Modi for all his pre-election bluster was too constrained by economy and international pressure to escalate.

But a coordinated striker along a large swathe of LoC, simultaneously targeting many camps, dispatching jihaadis, handlers, coordinators and motivators alongwith unspecified TSPA left them toally nood, with chaddis pulled down to the ankles. They cannot admit that they were royally screwed by the enemy they hate the most and that with one stroke, GoI and IA demolished all their so-called red lines.

Worse, our strikes have been acknowledged and even appreciated by world at large. Baki chaddis have been pulled down and the world is openly laughing and smirking at them. So how do they react? They claim that nothing happened, they are still wearing pants and whosoever disagrees is lying.

It's like a sadakchaap gunda who used to pester the local people was finally thrashed in public, stripped bare and paraded on a donkey. Next day he comes back black and blue all over, his minions who did not see the incident, but heard about it, quickly surround him and start hankering for details

Minions: Bhai, yeh kya sun rahe hain, suna hai us fauji ne kal aapki baja daali, waheench galli mein dho daala.
Gunda: Kaun bola be ye, apun ko ko kuchh nahin huela hai. Koi mai ka laal paida nahin hua to bhai pe haath daal sake.
Minions: Lekin bhai, aapki ki sar se pair tak vaat lag gayeli hai, daant bhi gaayab, thobra soojela hai, aap to chal bhi nahin paa rahe.
Gunda: Woh to apun peeyela tha aur gatar mein gir gaya. Apun itna full too tha ki waheench so gaya.
Minion: Lekin bhai...
Pakiya (Bhai's trusted lieutenant): Chup saale, bhai bola na ki bhai ko kuchh nahin huela hai to nahin huela hai. Abhi zyada syaanpatti karne ka nahin aur nikal patli gali se. Khaali peeli bheje ki dahi kar rela hai.

Minions all walk away. When they have gone, Bhai calls Pakiya

Gunda: Pakiya..
Pakiya: Haan bhai..
Gunda: Ja darwaaza band kar aur balm or senke wali baatli le kar aa...
Pakiya: Laaya bhai..
Gunda: Aur Pakiya..
Pakiya: Haan bhai..
Gunda: Sandaas pe senk waali takiya rakhne ka..
Pakiya: Jo hukum bhai..

This in a nutshell is Bakistan..

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

He is not dead.In that video he talks of surgical strikes and specifically mentions Dudhnial.

And he cannot be dead his life is mortgaged to the Indian Army and only they will forfeit it.

 

[sasum]

Nah, 100% this coward has simply, with the aide of his ISI backers, run to his safehouse(s) to ensure he faces no risk from Indian action.

LAHORE: JuD chief and mastermind of the 2008Mumbai attack today (30th Sept.)warned India of a "befitting response" for its military operation in PoK, saying Prime Minister Narendra Modi will now know what is meant by "surgical strikes".

"We will tell you what is a real surgical strike...and you will get the deserved response soon," Saeed said in a public address inFaisalabad here today.
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He is very much in Pak, under protection of Army. He never visited launch-pads; so dying in surgical strike is out of queuestion. As for suffering a heart-attack, the news couldn't have been kept under wraps for so many days, considering his massive fan-following.


http://m.economictimes.com/news/def...iz-saeed/articleshow/54609586.cms?from=mobile

 

[IndianHawk]

He is doing too fine a job by barking regularly. He single-handedly disrupts entire porki credibility on Kashmir. But we should start killing people around him , his trusted folks , his near and far relatives . Keep him alive too bark for now and kill everyone else. He shall witness the end of Pakistan.

 

[Navnit Kundu]

He is not dead.In that video he talks of surgical strikes and specifically mentions Dudhnial.

And he cannot be dead his life is mortgaged to the Indian Army and only they will forfeit it.

Still not conclusive proof that he is dead/alive. Terrorist HVTs are known to make very specific videos about all their hideouts to be used as propaganda material after their death. Osama himself had made several videos which kept surfacing even after his death. Even Mulla Omar had such videos which kept playing for 3 years even after he was dead. He would wish all jahils on the occasions of Eid and whatnot, he would say "yesterday the kaffir Americans did air strike on [X] location but I was left unscathed, and I stand before you today". They have recorded videos for all events and all types of attacks and all permutations and combinations. Afghan intel czar Amarullah Saleh revealed that these people record audios claiming to be sitting in a secure cave, but he could hear vehicles traffic and cats meowing.

Timeline 26:00 onwards (talking about random potato seller claiming to be Mullah Omar)
Timeline 29:45 onwards (talking about cats noise)

 

[Navnit Kundu]

You've answered your own question. No one's for sure if Hafeez is dead or not. It's not even clear if the state of his health had anything to do with last week's strike. However, we did hear a lot of chatter and whispers about a high value target (HVT) being taken out or captured. Now I think it's less likely that an aiyyaashi, aaram pasand, rotund pig like Hafiz Saeed will go anywhere near the spartan LeT camps near the LoC. Not just because the accommodation will be less than comfortable, but also due to a real danger of him being taken out in surgical strikes or even mortar fire from across. No, the pig is cowardly and self-preservationist to the core to keep himself safely enmeshed in Muridke, while he dispatches cannon fodder to the LoC and elsewhere.

However, it's possible that his son or top commanders were there to oversee the final stages of a big terror strike and they were taken out or captured. Plus, he is rumoured to have lost a few handlers and preachers in the strike. These are more valuable than ordinary jihaadis, because they probably occupy a space higher up the ladder and replacing them becomes difficult.

The reports of heart attack too seem puzzling. It's probably a stretch to imagine that he may have been "poisoned" ala Al Baghdadi, which would suggest that the surgical strikes "penetrated" far deeper than acknowledged and this was not the spur of the moment- groundwork was in lace and would have happened sooner or later. Uri was the trigger.

Regarding, claiming the credit for offing him. If he turns up alive after a few days, months or even years, those who claimed credit will have a egg on their faces. The others will run riot. No, the best curse of action is let the details come out on their known. If he's indeed halaaled or incapacitated, it will come our sooner or later.



You should understand the psychology of the Baki army. It has been amply explained by gurus on BRF, in media and "scholars" from overseas who have had a chance to see TSPA up close.

Christine (un)Fair, the Baki-loving motorhama, who turned sour on them has this to say about the TSPA

"[Pakistani army] view defeat very differently. They don't view it in terms of territory lost or value of territory or number of lives lost. They view defeat as that moment when they can no longer resist India."

Now this is a very important point to understand. Losses in war do not count as long as Pakistani army is alive and kicking and ready to fight the next battle with the "Hindu Indians".
Lost land in 1965-> India did not take over Lahore, Sialkot, AoA, we won.
Lost East Pakistan, Turtuk, land along LoC and 90,000 PoWs in 1971-> India failed to dismember Pakistan into more than two parts, AoA, we won.
Lost in Siachen-> We are facing eevil Yeendus at Siachen and eevil yeendus cannot come further (nevermind we cannot even see it, nor have we shown any interest in going further yet), AoA, we won.
Lost in Kargil-> India never crossed the LoC, We sit on top of a previously unoccupied peak on LoC (nevermind surrounded by IA posts on three sides and would the first to be roasted in a war), Internationalised the Kashmir issue, AoA, it was a tactical victory screwed by Ganja Sharif.

And now the Uri strikes. You get the picture.

Any public humiliation that leads to the loss of their self-proclaimed "honour and dignity" especially vis-a-vis India is what they perceive as true defeat.

The surgical strikes caught them totally unawares. They expected that it would be business as usual as it was during MMS time- dossiers, diplomacy etc. To be fair to them, GoI too seemed to be headed in that direction and they thought, Modi for all his pre-election bluster was too constrained by economy and international pressure to escalate.

But a coordinated striker along a large swathe of LoC, simultaneously targeting many camps, dispatching jihaadis, handlers, coordinators and motivators alongwith unspecified TSPA left them toally nood, with chaddis pulled down to the ankles. They cannot admit that they were royally screwed by the enemy they hate the most and that with one stroke, GoI and IA demolished all their so-called red lines.

Worse, our strikes have been acknowledged and even appreciated by world at large. Baki chaddis have been pulled down and the world is openly laughing and smirking at them. So how do they react? They claim that nothing happened, they are still wearing pants and whosoever disagrees is lying.

It's like a sadakchaap gunda who used to pester the local people was finally thrashed in public, stripped bare and paraded on a donkey. Next day he comes back black and blue all over, his minions who did not see the incident, but heard about it, quickly surround him and start hankering for details

Minions: Bhai, yeh kya sun rahe hain, suna hai us fauji ne kal aapki baja daali, waheench galli mein dho daala.
Gunda: Kaun bola be ye, apun ko ko kuchh nahin huela hai. Koi mai ka laal paida nahin hua to bhai pe haath daal sake.
Minions: Lekin bhai, aapki ki sar se pair tak vaat lag gayeli hai, daant bhi gaayab, thobra soojela hai, aap to chal bhi nahin paa rahe.
Gunda: Woh to apun peeyela tha aur gatar mein gir gaya. Apun itna full too tha ki waheench so gaya.
Minion: Lekin bhai...
Pakiya (Bhai's trusted lieutenant): Chup saale, bhai bola na ki bhai ko kuchh nahin huela hai to nahin huela hai. Abhi zyada syaanpatti karne ka nahin aur nikal patli gali se. Khaali peeli bheje ki dahi kar rela hai.

Minions all walk away. When they have gone, Bhai calls Pakiya

Gunda: Pakiya..
Pakiya: Haan bhai..
Gunda: Ja darwaaza band kar aur balm or senke wali baatli le kar aa...
Pakiya: Laaya bhai..
Gunda: Aur Pakiya..
Pakiya: Haan bhai..
Gunda: Sandaas pe senk waali takiya rakhne ka..
Pakiya: Jo hukum bhai..

This in a nutshell is Bakistan..

It still doesn't add up to their grand narrative, not even to their micro narrative. They could have said "India TRIED to do surgical strikes and we thwarted it", but they are saying "India didn't even try to do a surgical strike, it was a mundane border firing incident". The idea of the Pakistani army as the exclusive stakeholder who could protect ordinary Pakistanis from an 'aggressive India'. They need this narrative to justify their military spending. At times, they cook up incidents of Indian aggression, for example, claiming that India started 1965 and 1971 wars, so they have no reason to downplay this incident where India is voluntarily accepting that we did the strikes. Kuch toh gadbad hai daya.

 

[mayfair]

It still doesn't add up to their grand narrative, not even to their micro narrative. They could have said "India TRIED to do surgical strikes and we thwarted it", but they are saying "India didn't even try to do a surgical strike, it was a mundane border firing incident".

They tried doing exactly that. They claimed there was firing and they destroyed Indians posts and killed 21, 14, 8 soldiers..whatever. Then they said that bodies of 8 soldiers were "rotting away" and not being collected by IA on their side of LoC. how could that have happened is IA didn't cross over? Bakis got caught in the web of their own lies.

To show that IA tried cross-LoC strikes and were thwarted, they will need to show the proof of "successfully thwarted" i.e. IA soldiers lying dead in that area. They could not.

In fact Pindi Bob Bajwa who ferried the "journalists" to LoC claimed "bande uthha le gaye". Someone tell him, Abe saale, first you claim that there were no strikes, then you claim that strikes were there but IA carried back the bodies, at the same time you claim that the area was untouched. If IA strikes were thwarted, where's the evidence? There was none. So he went crawling back to LoC firing and that only two piglets were pest-e-shaheed.

It's a different fact that none bought into his nonsense, except our own nonces.

The idea of the Pakistani army as the exclusive stakeholder who could protect ordinary Pakistanis from an 'aggressive India'. They need this narrative to justify their military spending. At times, they cook up incidents of Indian aggression, for example, claiming that India started 1965 and 1971 wars, so they have no reason to downplay this incident where India is voluntarily accepting that we did the strikes. Kuch toh gadbad hai daya.

Once again, it boils down to H&D. See my post above on that. Saying that India didn't even try a strike is better than claiming that India DID try but were thwarted, because then Bajwa and TSPA can boast that the Yeevil Yeendus are so scared of the TSPA mard-e-momin that they dare not cross the border. They can only fire from afar and shiver in their dhotis when the army of momin hit back.

The gadbad is that TSPA had become complacent to the point that they started believing in their own hype after years of Indian inaction- the "surgical strikes" during UPA (and earlier) were mostly badla operations carried out a local level, with NO political sanction (except once when ABV EXPLICITLY sanctioned a 9 Para SF raid into PoK to avenge Chhatisinghpura in 2000; 9 Para SF came back after halaaling 22 piglets and TSPA) as acknowledged and clarified by former IA officers and generals, including the DGMO.

TSPA could live with that, absorb that. Because for one they were never publicly acknowledged and occasionally IA suffered casualties that they could brag about. TSPA started believing that IA and GoI lacked the cojones to carry out covert strikes because of "testicle atmi hathiyaar" and politico-economic constraints. TSPA thought that at the most it would be the same this time, with a few pigs halaaled. What they didn't expect was that their chaddis would be pulled down and backsides violated without lube in an unprecedented and violent manner.

So they going around trying to retain their tattered Ehh&Dee like that local Gunda, pretending that nothing happened and that limp we see is because of a twisted ankle.

Remember this is an army that was publicly photographed laying down arms in front of IA, photos that were splashed in newspapers and magazines across the world including Shitland. Despite this, they came out of it with their credibility amongst the Baki abduls and ayeshas intact. It says a lot about the denizens of Shitland as it does for the TSPA.

 

[vayuu1]

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[sasum]

इस्लामाबाद. उड़ी हमला और भारत के सर्जिकल स्ट्राइक के बाद पाकिस्तान में कई आतंकी सरगना एकसाथ नजर आए हैं। इनमें 26/11 मुंबई हमले की साजिश में शामिल रहा हाफिज सईद, पाकिस्तान में हक्कानी नेटवर्क का सरगना समी उल हक और पूर्व आईएसआई चीफ हामिद गुल का बेटा अब्दुल्ला शामिल है। यह खबर ऐसे समय सामने आई है जब पाक सरकार ने वॉर्निंग दी है कि आतंकियों पर कार्रवाई को लेकर मिलिट्री और इंटेलिजेंस किसी तरह की दखलन्दाजी न करे।
http://m.bhaskar.com/news/INT-terro...hafiz-saeed-news-hind-5433618-PHO.html?ref=ht
मीटिंग में पूर्व आईएसआई चीफ हामिद गुल का बेटा भी था। गुल को पाकिस्तान में आतंकवाद का गॉडफादर भी कहा जाता है। पिछले साल उसकी मौत हो गई थी। उसे हाफिज सईद का सपोर्टर माना जाता था।
- ये भी बताया जाता है अब हामिद का बेटा अब्दुल्ला आईएसआई और सईद के बीच की मजबूत कड़ी का काम करता है। अब्दुल्ला के हिजबुल मुजाहिदीन से भी अच्छे ताल्लुकात बताए जाते हैं।
- जुलाई में सामने आई अब्दुल्ला की पाक एनएसए नसीर खान जंजुआ के साथ भी एक फोटो सामने आई थी।
- माना जाता है कि हामिद का बेटा होने के चलते अब्दुल्ला को पाक की सरकारी एजेंसियों में आसानी से एंट्री मिल जाती है और इसे वह अपनी भारत विरोधी गतिविधियों के लिए इस्तेमाल करता है।

 

[aditya g]

Indian army attacked lashkar men in their own home at night. In one night Hafiz saeed has been neutered. What face will he show his cadres?

 

[Butter Chicken]

There are rumours of some High Value Targets being neutralised,but doubt it's HaPig Sayeed

 

[thethinker]

TSPA could live with that, absorb that. Because for one they were never publicly acknowledged and occasionally IA suffered casualties that they could brag about. TSPA started believing that IA and GoI lacked the cojones to carry out covert strikes because of "testicle atmi hathiyaar" and politico-economic constraints. TSPA thought that at the most it would be the same this time, with a few pigs halaaled. What they didn't expect was that their chaddis would be pulled down and backsides violated without lube in an unprecedented and violent manner.

Now to think of it, the speech of PM Modi just before the surgical strike to people of Pakistan to rise up against their army (uniformed jihadis) and the terrorists (non-uniformed jihadis) makes a lot of sense.

The uniformed jihadis aka Pak Army have been exposed to have feet of clay. For a supposedly professional army which made statements like Pakistan's defenses are invincible before the strike and then issuing statements like "we don't need escalation" after the strike while denying it goes to show how big of a rod was shoved up by the baniya Indian army and Indian govt machinery up the collective asses of these jihadis.

BTW, the whole disinformation by Pakis is so childish and immature that it doesn't require a explanation. Changing their stance from condemning the strikes to strikes never happening to avenging them and now claiming that IA is filming a video of these fake strikes(how convenient to say that just after IA has okayed releasing the footage if needed) is laughable.

 

[Navnit Kundu]

Indian army attacked lashkar men in their own home at night. In one night Hafiz saeed has been neutered. What face will he show his cadres?

That is only IF the Pakis allow the true information to reach their cadres in madrassas. I mean, it's not like the kids in madrassas are the most globally aware and connected citizens. They believe in flying horses and eagles who threw stones from air (Ababail), they would believe anything their Amir says.

 

[Darth Malgus]

That is only IF the Pakis allow the true information to reach their cadres in madrassas. I mean, it's not like the kids in madrassas are the most globally aware and connected citizens. They believe in flying horses and eagles who threw stones from air (Ababail), they would believe anything their Amir says.

Not worried about the Awam, Hafeez, his Lashkar men and the Army knows what happened, it is quiet obvious Raheel's image which he painstakingly built up all these years have been Hammered down in one Night. When the Osama assassination happened by US Seals, Jr. Pak Army Officers had a rather bad image of Kiyani and would often make their views public embarrassing him, this is something often talked about in Pak forums. Hafeez,'s men and and PA knows what happened that night am sure both Hafeez and Raheel is feeling the heat amongst their men.

 

[mayfair]

That is only IF the Pakis allow the true information to reach their cadres in madrassas. I mean, it's not like the kids in madrassas are the most globally aware and connected citizens. They believe in flying horses and eagles who threw stones from air (Ababail), they would believe anything their Amir says.

They also believe that jihad is the way to jannat and 72 hoori and pindaliyon ka gooda. This they believe above all. Most of them come from poor background, with no prospects in life and no future. The chance of eternal heaven is too tempting.

In this age of internet and social media, it's very difficult to keep information out. Madrassa kids believe in flying horses and eagles and one of the ways by which they are indoctrinated is using the wonders of modern technology, which they are taught were also foreseen in the holy book.

They have families and friends that have access to outside info. It will not take long for the information to trickle in.

No, what Hafiz suar and his lackeys will do is not deny information, but spin it, twist it and regurgitate it in a way that invokes awe, respect and even more fanaticism in the eyes of budding mujahid.

You should understand that only those madrassa inmates are selected for LeT type jobs, who display early signs of Pakistaniyat and complete indoctrination and a rabid hatred of the kuffar and Hindus in particular. It's not difficult to convince them that their seniors died in path of jihad and are enjoying hooris in jannat.

The madrassa inmates too see such a "honourable death" as their escape from their dreary existence. Plus, they are offered a fat compensation for their families after they are gone. That too is a motivating factor for the poor inmates. They are willing cannon fodder, no more no less.

 

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That is only IF the Pakis allow the true information to reach their cadres in madrassas. I mean, it's not like the kids in madrassas are the most globally aware and connected citizens. They believe in flying horses and eagles who threw stones from air (Ababail), they would believe anything their Amir says.

Do not underestimate the power of rumors. Especially in sub continent. There will be talks by survivors over lunch and tea .... Neighbourhood will be gaga over how lashkar was destroyed etc