Is China protecting Kashmiri terrorists?

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  1. Oracle

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    China is providing tacit support to Pakistan in its jihadi strategy with an aim to pin down half a million Indian troops in Kashmir, a leading European security expert has said.

    Beijing has provided direct protection to these terrorist groups at the UN Security Council's 1267 committee, blocking efforts against Jamaat-ud-Dawa (the Lashkar-e-Tayiba front)," Andrew Small, an European expert has said.

    Writing in the latest issues of the Washington Quarterly journal, Small of German Marshall Fund of the US said that the Chinese managed to bar action against JuD, until political pressure on Pakistan escalated after the LeT involvement in the November 2008 Mumbai attacks.


    Labelling the Chinese policy as that of "managing tensions" in the South Asian region, the security expert said this was at odds with the US which was working hard to convince Pakistan to move away from India-centric military strategy.

    Small also said that China had propped up Pakistan's conventional military capabilities by providing full spectrum of support to Islamabad's air and land missiles and 'tacit support for the jihadi strategy that has helped to bind half-a-million troops in Kashmir.'

    Based in Brussels, Small noted that the Chinese approach in the case of its Af-Pak policy is 'proving increasingly' unsuccessful.


    "As is true of its foreign policy elsewhere, China pursues a relatively narrow conception of its interests in Afghanistan and Pakistan, rather than supporting a more widely shared set of goals," he said.

    "Security for its workers and major investment projects has deteriorated the Chinese while the US role in the region has expanded, much to Beijng's discomfort," Small said.

    "There is a debate starting in China about whether a strategic reassessment is needed, which has already resulted in a few tactical shifts on Beijing's part. But until China is forced to go through a more fundamental reappraisal of its strategy for dealing with extremism in the region, prospects for the US and China to pursue complementary policies will remain limited," he said.

    "The strength of the Tehrik-i-Taliban (TTP) has also been a concern to China. While initially sanguine about the Pakistani government's deals in Swat and Buner, they became increasingly worried that the writ of the Pakistani state was running out in a territory that runs dangerously close to the principal Sino-Pakistani trade route, the KKH," he said.

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  3. Ray

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    One wonders if anyone is helping the Uighurs.

    Ideal to interfere with the KKH, the oil pipeline and railway in the offing!
     
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    Ray sir one question i've...you 've already served in kashmir with army how true is this lie of half million indian forces in kashmir valley?Because this lie has been told and retold many times that it became truth like india stealing water.
     
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    I have never heard IB & R&AW being implicated internationally, unlike ISI. That means R&AW & IB are doing a commendable job, if they are doing it.
     
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    SATISH DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    Well all we need to do viz-A viz China Pakistan relationship is take away the KKH. And there is a big excuse lying there in form of a lake formed because of the earthquake. Seems like that lake is like a ticking time bomb. This will cut off the Chinese connection to the CAR.
     
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    This is all a coincidence that China supports Rogue regimes, insurgents and nuclear proliferation thruout the world, their sweatshops and economy should have the world overlook these things?
     
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    @ ajtr,

    In J&K (Jammu, Punch, Rajauri, Kalakote, the Kashmir Valley, Tangdhar, Macchal and Ladakh to include Siachen amongst other areas of J&K), there are three Corps.

    The Army is 1.13-million strong, which including a large number of combat service support manpower. In fact, in the teeth to tail ratio, the tail (service elements) is way larger than the teeth (combat troops).

    India is a large country and there has to be a compatible peace vs field area turn over.

    Therefore, to have half a million out in J&K is good propaganda.

    It reminds me of Joseph Goebbelsl!

    Those who are fear crazed and otherwise impotent in countering tend to exaggerate.

    I might add that except for the Line of Control troops, there are no battalion support weapons, mortars or artillery used or in the inventory. Such weapons are mothballed.

    Pakistan uses all weapons, artillery and air force for Counter Insurgency in Baluchistan and in FATA and NWFP.
     
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    This is all a coincidence that China supports Rogue regimes, insurgents and nuclear proliferation thruout the world, their sweatshops and economy should have the world overlook these things?
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    Rogue state?

    come on, get updated! Pakistan has been certified by Uncle Sam as an anti-terrorism ally and billions and billions of aid is going Pakistan way from Uncle.

    we shall always stand with Uncle Sam in the just cause!

    ah ha? timid Indians don't have the guts to give a damn to Uncle?? that's fine, your call. but what does China sweatshop bother u? at least we earn our own bread. at least we don't have starving people like in India.

    the world is overlooking what?? Indian's brutality in Kashmir. why not give Kashmiri self determination? why not let them decide which way they go?

    and in Assam u oppress outrageous freedom fighters such as ULFA (moreover, Nagaland, Bodoland... my God, how many people are there yearning for emancipation?)

    and there's no human rights for tribal people, who took side with Naxalite for their dignity. and so many desperate landless peasants take up arms.

    and clashes between religions....


    again, typical Indian hypocrisy!
     
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    Uncle Sam does not send OHIO subs in it's allies waters, stop being delusional.
     
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    Uncle Sam will support Pakistan as a key ally and checkmate the hypocrite

    And we'll find a good seat to watch
     
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    We want our fun too ,USA-China fight will be a bigger Blast figuratively and literally, Pakistan support from USA is nothing new to us.
     
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    good! so US and China have something in common now.

    whoever US supports cannot be a rogue state

    both support Pakistan

    Pakistan supports freedom fighters in Kashmir

    the subject shall be corrected as ' Is China protecting Kashmiri freedom fighters?'

    that'll be factual and hilarious
     
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    China has proliferated nuclear material and missiles to Pakistan, USA has not there; is a big difference.
     
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    You don't have starving people in China? Please, save us the bullshit.

    86 million of your people still live under the (Chinese-defined) poverty line. That's about 8%. About 14% live under the int'l poverty line.

    You have no people fighting for their land rights in China? Or ethnic persecution? Or demographic usurpation? Per a 2006 BBC report, 120 protests occur against land expropriation in rural China every day. Per an Economist report, that figure was between 220-250. That is the highest rate of rural-urban unrest in the world.

    Need I give you a run-down of what happened in Xinjiang Uyghur last year? Or what went down in Tibet the year before? Or perhaps you'd like to hear what numerous Tibetan refugees had to say on the occasion of the Dalai Lama's 75th birthday?

    The fact that we don't ordinarily use repressive force- in terms of jailing dissidents even before they've protested, or hacking their accounts or gross violations of their privacy or imprisonment without cause or the Houkou or Danwei systems to restrict movement doesn't mean you are any less plagued by urban-rural unrest, ethnic discord or violence than we are. Not least because we are a far more open and exposed society, and report everything that ever happens in every nook or cranny of this country.

    Religious violence? The last major religious riot in India was in 2002 - some 8 years ago. The only blotch since has been Kandhamal, where about 30 people died in a span of 5 days. Religion and 'religious violence' is increasingly being relegated to the margins of society.

    'Naxalites' and their dignity? Right, people that chop off the hands and noses of electing voters, raid the homes of poor villagers and grab everything they have to keep themselves, derail a train and kill some 150 innocent, travelling civilians, collect 'tax' to fund their cause- ironically, an anti-statist cause even while this bunch of 8,000 rag-tag militants have becoming a 'state' in themselves- are fighting for the 'dignity' of people whose dignity they care not to trample over while they fight.

    'Freedom fighters'? You better as hell watch your mouth. Your country considers Assam an integral part of our country, and as such there is no "freedom fighting" going on there. An example of your ass$olish hypocrisy?

    As for 'human rights violations, watching a video of state security forces dragging a woman by her hair- state security forces that are made up of other ethnic Assamese, by the way - does not constitute sufficient proof to determine widespread 'human rights abuses'. There is a reason why the vast majority of the citizens of Assam or Arun'aachal Pradesh or Sikkim or Mizoram have not chosen to side with China in this fight.

    All of the shit you've typed is irrelevant to the situation at hand: Kashmir.

    As for the situation at hand- Kashmir has been ours and forever will be. Notwithstanding a portion illegally handed to you by your pariah state, the history of Kashmir bears out Indian equanimity in the most- even while it was being raped and plundered by the nomads of Central Asia and was saved by the Sikhs, or achieved the zenith of its time when Buddhism spread to the state under the Kushanaas, or even now when Indian citizens are forbidden from owning territory in a part of our country to please its inhabitants.

    Spare us your horse$hit and get the hell out of this thread if you don't know what you're talkin' about. Otherwise, broaden your horizons and read the actual history of the subcontinent- in full.
     
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    China has shown the ability to think long term, unlike the Pakistani friends. I don;t think the Chinese would be stupid enough to support an Islamic militant group, especially consedering the Uighur problem.

    But its likely that Pakistan has asked them to block any UN resolution and the Chinese are obliged. It may not be part of their plan to use terror, but if Pakistan does it, the Chinese will provide cover for them.
     
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    why can't China talk about 'human rights'? do u mean u lose the right to comment on the next door girl if u're not good looking yourself? what **** logic? one thing for sure is that we don't have starved Chinese though many are still poor (a fundamental human right)

    back to the subject u shall stop labelling Kashmiri freedom fighters as terrorists.

    US being the world's top democracy can't be wrong in supporting Pakistan,who in turn supports Kashmiri self determination. (Uncle Sam is my idol)

    and India as the world's biggest democracy shall fulfill its commitment to allow Kashmiri self determination made at the time of partition (u can't pinpoint others while not honoring your 'promise')

    Pakistan is useful for US so the US supports and uses Pakistan. True - every country shall become 'useful' one way or another. Otherwise it can't survive a day.
     
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    India is also usefull to USA and USA is usefull to India, Our enemies enemy is our dear friend.
     
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    Hey, hey hey kiddo. Now, you're just talkin' a load of bullshit.

    India is under NO obligation to hold a plebiscite in Kashmir. The 'resolution' for a plebiscite for Kashmir was signed under the UN's non-binding resolutions.

    Let me repeat that again for your ears: India is under NO obligation whatsoever to hold a 'plebiscite' in Kashmir.

    Furthermore, any decision to hold a plebiscite is contingent upon Pakistan's total withdrawal of 'freedom fighters', what we call 'terrorists' from Kashmir. Terrorists, the EU, the UN and the United States have acknowledged Pakistan funds, aids and materially abets.

    It is furthermore contingent upon China's relinquishing of Aksai Chin- a territory illegally transferred to China, by Pakistan. Aksai Chin was never part of Pakistan, until and as long as this dispute was resolved, and therefore was never Pakistan's to give in the first place.

    It is also contingent upon Pakistan's withdrawal of its military forces from the area, a withdrawal which Pakistan has show no signs of accomplishing, as it busy's itself exploiting Kashmiri resources even while its inhabitants look stupidly the other way. Only in India, do we have such ridiculous, unappealing laws that do not allow citizens to own property or residence in particular territory for want of appeasing its inhabitants.

    You have no people that starve in China? You seem to know a lot about 1.3 billion people, an omniscient knowledge perhaps, even while I have personally met people that have been on the verge of starvation and that have fled your impoverished provinces of Tibet, Yunnan and Qinghai into Kolkatta.
     
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    lets play china game prop up Ughiurs.Or does india needs anything by propping up Ughiurs freedom fighters.Isn't pakistan doing better by helping them???
     
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    ohimalayer,

    Remind me how many tens of millions did Mao kill? Oh dog penis & cockroaches is in abundance in China, good for you & your people.

    Erm, who do u think u r telling who I can & can't call a terrorist & show me where I have mentioned anything about this. U really r trying hard to be a smart a$$.

    Uncle Sam is your idol, no worse than Mao & CCP, no? I think there is a difference between using someone & supporting someone.

    China = Utopia, perfection in every way.
     
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