Is China About to Get Its Military Jet Engine Program Off the Ground?

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Give me real proof not BS

Give me one link about ws-13 Let's see you get shifty.
From a real source like Janes that you mentioned.
I don't see how an ACTUAL PICTURE is BS, but since you in denial, here:

International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > October Surprises In Chinese Aerospace

Both the WS-10A and the WS-13 have been to Zhuhai, I don't know which rock you've been under for the last decade. You're making it sound like they're some top secret government projects with no info on them whatsoever. Stop being lazy and do some research before mouthing the truth.
 
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I don't see how an ACTUAL PICTURE is BS, but since you in denial, here:

International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > October Surprises In Chinese Aerospace

Both the WS-10A and the WS-13 have been to Zhuhai, I don't know which rock you've been under for the last decade. You're making it sound like they're some top secret government projects with no info on them whatsoever. Stop being lazy and do some research before mouthing off rubbish.
Then on the November 8, 2009 edition of CCTV's program "Face to Face," PLAAF, Deputy Commander General He Weirong stated that China's 4th generation fighter would fly "soon" and that this fighter could enter service in "about eight to ten years," or between 2017 and 2019. General He is also reported to have said the planes in development "will match or exceed the capability of similar jets in existence today."[17]

Does this mean Chinese will have a 4th generation plane between 2017-2019. I will believe the
Chinese General than any of your BS . this is from your source.
 

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i think WS-10 may exist but even China does not want it? They want the planes with AL-31 engines. Why?
Are you high? All new J11B's and J11BS's are leaving the factory with brand-spanking-new Ws-10A's!!! China does't want it? Ha!


 
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Chinese 'Mighty Dragon' doomed to breathe Russian fire — RT

Chinese 'Mighty Dragon' doomed to breathe Russian fire

China also tried to put engines of their own on a second test J-20 vehicle, but the copycat of the Soviet engine AL-31F made by China is not in the same league as the Russian analogue for reliability and durability.
The real problem is both AL-31F and Chinese version are engines of the previous generation.
No question the Chinese jet is a prototype model and technology demonstration vehicle called to test new equipment and technology. Defined as a technology showroom, it may fly whatever engines its creator considers possible. But China has no working engine for a 5G jet.
Despite the fact that China tries to sell clones of the Russian jets at discount prices on the international arms market ($10 million for a J-11, while the Russian original Su-27 is well over $30 million), China continues to buy Russian engines and certain parts of these engines in quantities that far exceed the necessity to do routine maintenance of the Russian planes they use.
 

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Then on the November 8, 2009 edition of CCTV's program "Face to Face," PLAAF, Deputy Commander General He Weirong stated that China's 4th generation fighter would fly "soon" and that this fighter could enter service in "about eight to ten years," or between 2017 and 2019. General He is also reported to have said the planes in development "will match or exceed the capability of similar jets in existence today."[17]

Does this mean Chinese will have a 4th generation plane between 2017-2019. I will believe the
Chinese General than any of your BS . this is from your source.
*rolls-eyes* Chinese designation for the AMERICAN TERM 5th generation is actually 4th generation. Just ask and I'll tell you what you want to know, there's no need to go ranting with the clearly little information you have.
 
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Are you high? All new J11B's and J11BS's are leaving the factory with brand-spanking-new Ws-10A's!!! China does't want it? Ha!




what generation would you put these planes at with the ws-10?? compared to real war planes
remember ws 10 is a thirty year old prototype.
 

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Chinese 'Mighty Dragon' doomed to breathe Russian fire — RT

Chinese 'Mighty Dragon' doomed to breathe Russian fire

China also tried to put engines of their own on a second test J-20 vehicle, but the copycat of the Soviet engine AL-31F made by China is not in the same league as the Russian analogue for reliability and durability.
The real problem is both AL-31F and Chinese version are engines of the previous generation.
No question the Chinese jet is a prototype model and technology demonstration vehicle called to test new equipment and technology. Defined as a technology showroom, it may fly whatever engines its creator considers possible. But China has no working engine for a 5G jet.
Despite the fact that China tries to sell clones of the Russian jets at discount prices on the international arms market ($10 million for a J-11, while the Russian original Su-27 is well over $30 million), China continues to buy Russian engines and certain parts of these engines in quantities that far exceed the necessity to do routine maintenance of the Russian planes they use.
hahahahahaaaaaaaaa! Another RUSSIAN article???!!! You cant be serious...

Please enlighten us all. When has a J11 ever been sold by China? To who? Even the Jf17 is sold to Pakistan at more than 20 million dollars, when has a Flanker ever been sold by China for 10 million?
And again, there is no Chinese copy of the AL-31! Why would the PLAAF keep buying AL31's for the J11A's and MKK's if they had a copy to install? Come back when you have a FACTUAL argument.
 
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China's Fighters Won't Match US | Flashpoints

China's Fighters Won't Match US

PLAAF has reduced its fleet by half from 2,500 fighters. Beijing accomplished this mostly by retiring 1960s designs such as the J-6 and J-7—rough analogues of the Soviet MiG-19 and MiG-21, respectively. In place of thousands of J-6s and J-7s, the PLAAF has brought into service several hundred J-10s and J-11s, respectively based on the 1980s-vintage Soviet Su-27 and Israeli Lavi.

An American article.
US opinion of j10 and j11 is a 3rd gen 1980's reverseed tech.
 

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China's Fighters Won't Match US | Flashpoints

China's Fighters Won't Match US

PLAAF has reduced its fleet by half from 2,500 fighters. Beijing accomplished this mostly by retiring 1960s designs such as the J-6 and J-7—rough analogues of the Soviet MiG-19 and MiG-21, respectively. In place of thousands of J-6s and J-7s, the PLAAF has brought into service several hundred J-10s and J-11s, respectively based on the 1980s-vintage Soviet Su-27 and Israeli Lavi.

An American article.
US opinion of j10 and j11 is a 3rd gen 1980's reverseed tech.
read my post #13.
 

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what generation would you put these planes at with the ws-10?? compared to real war planes
remember ws 10 is a thirty year old prototype.
A 30 year old prototype? *OMG* What is wrong with you? The WS-10 was abandoned in the 90's and was replaced with the WS10A, which flew on a flanker for the first time in 2002. And how is a series production engine still classified a prototype? IT IS IN ACTIVE SERVICE WITH ALMOST ALL J11B's AND BS's. Please actually READ up on it before spouting bull... So what? You think the PLAAF and PLANAF fly toys now? Even a biased Indian cant possibly be THAT stupid?
 
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OLD JANE'S ARTICLE ABOUT WS-10

JOHNATHON WENG JDW Correspondent
Tianjin

* China's efforts to develop a turbofan engine stem back to the 1960s

* The testing of the WS10 still leaves production hurdles to be overcome

China's WS10 turbofan engine has had a long history going back to the start of the WS6 turbofan programme in the 1960s, but news that the engine has undergone testing in a Sukhoi Su-27-derived fighter reveals a new maturity in the programme.

The level of development of the engine was revealed in November 2005 in a public statement by the government-owned press that the design had been finalised after two decades of research and development.


The WS10 is derived from the earlier WS6 variant, which was abandoned after completion as an engine - 20 years and two engine generations later - in the 1980s.

The expertise of 606 Engine Design Institute in developing the WS6 and the 1982 acquisition of CFM-56 engines, which are based on the compressor of the F101-GE-102 engine used in B-1B bombers, supported the development of the WS10.

The WS10 work was conducted under the High Performance Propulsion System Preliminary Development plan and in 1989, almost 10 years after WS10 work started, three key engineering challenges were identified: a seven-stage high-pressure compressor; a short annular combustor with air blast atomiser; and air-film cooling turbine rotor blades.

It was planned that the development of these requirements would lead to a Medial Thrust Demonstration Turbofan Core Engine (MTDTCE) and eventually a demonstration engine. The China Gas Turbine Establishment led the development work on the engine and in 1992 major component manufacturing blueprints were drawn up.

Military Industrial Plant 403 manufactured the MTDTCE with the involvement of 21 Chinese factories and research organisations. Trial production began in March 1992.

In December 1992 the engine was powered and nine days later the engine reached maximum speed within testing parameters.

Indigenous development and the use of Russian aero-engine experts, as well as knowledge of the AL-31F engine which powers the Su-27, drove further development.

The 606 Engine Design Institute then received a Sukhoi Su-27 (Chinese designation: J-11) as a test platform from the People's Liberation Army Air Force.

The use of the engine in the test aircraft presented its own challenges - the oil tank and afterburner nozzle are larger - but the weakness of the Chinese military industries and shortage of investment exacerbated the problems.

The programme stumbled along between 1992 and 1997 and was further impeded by the move from a state-controlled economy to a more free market economy. In 1997 an accident in engine testing delayed the programme again.

In 2001 and 2002 the WS10 was tested on an Su-27 and in 2003 the People's Liberation Army's daily newspaper said that flight tests were under way. An engine failure during a flight in July 2004 put the programme in jeopardy but the aircraft returned on a single engine and an investigation reported that a bearing failure was to blame.

The WS10 was declared close to prototype stage on 11 May 2005 and this was followed by endurance life testing and full life testing. On 10 November the WS10 passed full life testing and then completed 40 days of trials without failure.

Despite the success in developing the engine, which will be manufactured by Liming Corporation, the powerplant will need to overcome manufacturing challenges if it is to be produced at a worthwhile rate.

Issues remain about production efficiency and quality control and any effort to improve these areas is likely to be hamstrung by bureaucracy. However, the development of the engine has created an improved industrial base and expertise.
 
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A 30 year old prototype? *OMG* What is wrong with you? The WS-10 was abandoned in the 90's and was replaced with the WS10A, which flew on a flanker for the first time in 2002. And how is a series production engine still classified a prototype? IT IS IN ACTIVE SERVICE WITH ALMOST ALL J11B's AND BS's. Please actually READ up on it before spouting bull... So what? You think the PLAAF and PLANAF fly toys now? Even a biased Indian cant possibly be THAT stupid?
Check Jane's article above started ws-10 program in 1960's with ws-6
all articles I have given you say ws-10 is 1980's tech .
 
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You can name it whatever as you like, But no more than 5 contries can make this level of engine.
I will name five countries, if you tell me what generation this engine is? third time asking
no chinese members can answer this.
 

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China's Fighters Won't Match US | Flashpoints

China's Fighters Won't Match US

PLAAF has reduced its fleet by half from 2,500 fighters. Beijing accomplished this mostly by retiring 1960s designs such as the J-6 and J-7—rough analogues of the Soviet MiG-19 and MiG-21, respectively. In place of thousands of J-6s and J-7s, the PLAAF has brought into service several hundred J-10s and J-11s, respectively based on the 1980s-vintage Soviet Su-27 and Israeli Lavi.

An American article.
US opinion of j10 and j11 is a 3rd gen 1980's reverseed tech.
I don't see anywhere in that article where it calls the J10 and j11 "1980's reverseed tech".And is says " based on the 1980s-vintage Soviet Su-27 and Israeli Lavi." the F16 block 60 which fields an AESA and a state of the art EW system is based on the F16A which first flew in 1976 and had NO RADAR. By your logic, all F16's and F15's operated today are obsolete because they flew in the 70's...

PS. The MKI is based on the same Su27 the j11B is based on. Is it obsolete as well?
 
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I don't see anywhere in that article where it calls the J10 and j11 "1980's reverseed tech".And is says " based on the 1980s-vintage Soviet Su-27 and Israeli Lavi." the F16 block 60 which fields an AESA and a state of the art EW system is based on the F16A which first flew in 1976 and had NO RADAR. By your logic, all F16's and F15's operated today are obsolete because they flew in the 70's...
PS. The MKI is based on the same Su27 the j11B is based on. Is it obsolete as well?
what generation is this? It's not obsolete but it is also not cutting edge. Are you implying
Su-27 was developed from j11?
 
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Check Jane's article above started ws-10 program in 1960's with ws-6
all articles I have given you say ws-10 is 1980's tech .
This is the wiki article on the F100 that powers the F15:

The F100-100 first flew in an F-15 Eagle in 1972 with a thrust of 23,930 lbf. Due to the advanced nature of engine and aircraft, numerous problems were encountered in its early days of service including high wear, stalling[3] and "hard" afterburner starts which are commonly referred to as A/B blowouts by the Air Force mechanics who service the engines.[citation needed] These "hard" starts could be caused by failure of the afterburner to start or by extinguishing after start, in either case the large jets of jet fuel were lit by the engine exhaust resulting in high pressure waves causing the engine to stall. Early problems were solved, and the F100 is still in the USAF fleet to this day.
Every worthwhile project has teething problems. Is the current F100-PW-229 that powers the f15E and F15K 70's tech? It was first developed in the 60's... Is it irrelevent today? The Al31 on the MKI started development in the 70's as well.
 

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