Is Air force capable of Two Front War?

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The Numerical superiority the Chinese have against us means we WILL get our a$$ kicked.
It's IMPOSSIBLE. Unless the Chinese generals are drunk and nuke themselves ;)
well if we extend your logic to veitnam war , then America should have won war hands down , however they did not , Vietnam air force was able to shoot down number of USNAVY F-4 and Saber jest , because they had got their tactics right
 
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well if we extend your logic to veitnam war , then America should have won war hands down , however they did not , Vietnam air force was able to shoot down number of USNAVY F-4 and Saber jest , because they had got their tactics right
They also had soviet planes,assistants,advisors and even chinese planes.
 

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China will also have 2-3 AC's.
Firstly China will never have 3 acs.Secondly the reports that come out our always about 2 acs and normally end up wrong,the only possible one is Varyag,bu refitting Varyag for warfare is illegal and will stir up lots of controversey,so it will most likely be a training ship and not a fully battle ready a/c.
 

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They also had soviet planes,assistants,advisors and even chinese planes.
So did the Arab forces in the 1967 6-day war and the 1973 Yom Kippur war, as did Iraq in the 1991 Gulf war. I think how you use the equipment is equally if not more important than what you have at your disposal.
 

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USA and Vietnam are not neighbors. here we have to fight against two neighbors. so the scenario is different.
okay , what my point was that with brilliant tactics and strategy Indian armed forces can defend country very well ,even with not enough equipment
 

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okay , what my point was that with brilliant tactics and strategy Indian armed forces can defend country very well ,even with not enough equipment
War is uncertainity. Underestimating enemy is worst mistake than overestimating enemy. Compare to chinese infra in Tibet our infra in North East or in Kashmir is far bad. North East is pathetic. In Arunachal Pradesh, monsoon seasons army will struggle to transport hardware by road in several places. Not has changed a lot compared to 62s. Single track railway, British built airfield, single way road in Arunachal all are same. If we have to fight a two front war for 3 months we will be in great trouble. With all imported hardware we will not be able to keep hardware level same or induct more while china can increase strength from their stock. Will need to depend on Russia/USA/Israel for emergency supply with a heavy price. It will dried For Ex reserve and economy will be drained. China will capature addl land in Arunachal and Ladhak and bargain for Tibet. Kargil had showed army's preapareness in mountain warfare, nothing has changed. Same no of artillary, same imported bofors shell from Israel/russia, importd kafin, imported mountain gear and cloth all same. IAF with present number of aircrafts (approx 700) will not be able to knock out chinese missile batteries inside Tibet due to huge area and most of the north/east indian military installations will be targetted by chinese missiles. Pakistan will easily target western installation and Bombay high /Gudabari basin oil platforms as IAF capability to intercpt PAF fighters will be half as 50% of IAF fighters will need to engage with Chinese
Better to handle with Pakistan first and try to cool china if 2 fronts war possibilty ariase
 
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well if we extend your logic to veitnam war , then America should have won war hands down , however they did not , Vietnam air force was able to shoot down number of USNAVY F-4 and Saber jest , because they had got their tactics right
R u planning for gurilla war with Chinese. If you are planning inside india or Tibet than some of our big cities will be in ruin. Viet cong won that war due to gurrilla tactics not due shooting down few US aircrafts by Mig 21
 

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The point is 2 front war is an uncertainity,and if it does happen then the odds are stacked against us.In this scenario there is a possibility that countries envious of China's growing power including USA may also attack China as China will be weak and have the majority of it's troops deployed on the LAC so countries like USA might grab this moment to attack China if we put up a decent fight and weaken them enough.Maybe Japan also sees this oppurtunity to control a ever strengthening China.But simply stated,if we fight with Pak China will not get involved other then military aid,as iheavy involvement will take a toll on their economy and they know that if we lose,well nuke them before our ship sinks.Shanghai,Beijing will be reduced to rubble,so,in my opinion,a direct Chinese attack is not a very strong possibility.
 

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The point is 2 front war is an uncertainity,and if it does happen then the odds are stacked against us.In this scenario there is a possibility that countries envious of China's growing power including USA may also attack China as China will be weak and have the majority of it's troops deployed on the LAC so countries like USA might grab this moment to attack China if we put up a decent fight and weaken them enough.Maybe Japan also sees this oppurtunity to control a ever strengthening China.But simply stated,if we fight with Pak China will not get involved other then military aid,as iheavy involvement will take a toll on their economy and they know that if we lose,well nuke them before our ship sinks.Shanghai,Beijing will be reduced to rubble,so,in my opinion,a direct Chinese attack is not a very strong possibility.
Your mistake is thinking the US will support India in a fight against China. This is a fallacy. The US wants China contained, not destroyed. They would rather see India fall.
 

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R u planning for gurilla war with Chinese. If you are planning inside india or Tibet than some of our big cities will be in ruin. Viet cong won that war due to gurrilla tactics not due shooting down few US aircrafts by Mig 21
i am saying the air warfare was dominated with Vetanam air force
 

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War is uncertainity. Underestimating enemy is worst mistake than overestimating enemy. Compare to chinese infra in Tibet our infra in North East or in Kashmir is far bad. North East is pathetic. In Arunachal Pradesh, monsoon seasons army will struggle to transport hardware by road in several places. Not has changed a lot compared to 62s. Single track railway, British built airfield, single way road in Arunachal all are same. If we have to fight a two front war for 3 months we will be in great trouble. With all imported hardware we will not be able to keep hardware level same or induct more while china can increase strength from their stock. Will need to depend on Russia/USA/Israel for emergency supply with a heavy price. It will dried For Ex reserve and economy will be drained. China will capature addl land in Arunachal and Ladhak and bargain for Tibet. Kargil had showed army's preapareness in mountain warfare, nothing has changed. Same no of artillary, same imported bofors shell from Israel/russia, importd kafin, imported mountain gear and cloth all same. IAF with present number of aircrafts (approx 700) will not be able to knock out chinese missile batteries inside Tibet due to huge area and most of the north/east indian military installations will be targetted by chinese missiles. Pakistan will easily target western installation and Bombay high /Gudabari basin oil platforms as IAF capability to intercpt PAF fighters will be half as 50% of IAF fighters will need to engage with Chinese
Better to handle with Pakistan first and try to cool china if 2 fronts war possibilty ariase
first war till what extent, China will sweap indian territory in first blow ,no doubt , but so will be our counter offence , IA will be able to reclaim lost territory when counter offence will take place
and yes our infastructure is bad , really bad , but then we have an habbit to wake up at the last minute , we have th money but not the will ,also you did not mention the role of IN, IN can contain Pakistan attack on western sea board ,espicially when not Mig29K have been acquired , also Pakistan will not be able to support war for more than 1 month , we can , so the long war will be with chinnese , they may have numerical superiority but IAF and IN has qualitative superiority .
 

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first war till what extent, China will sweap indian territory in first blow ,no doubt , but so will be our counter offence , IA will be able to reclaim lost territory when counter offence will take place
and yes our infastructure is bad , really bad , but then we have an habbit to wake up at the last minute , we have th money but not the will ,also you did not mention the role of IN, IN can contain Pakistan attack on western sea board ,espicially when not Mig29K have been acquired , also Pakistan will not be able to support war for more than 1 month , we can , so the long war will be with chinnese , they may have numerical superiority but IAF and IN has qualitative superiority .
First of all lets be real.....India at this stage is not capable of handling China and Pak both.......let alone both...If India has to go on war with China then also India wont be able to sustain for long...I know India do have qualitative edge but chinese dont have 1950 era warbirds also...they have su27's on AC and their warheads and missiles are more capable and devastating than India's...Lets be real if a war broke out with china then our defence shield is also not capable enough to handle 100's of missiles coming your way....Whereas they are operating s-300 defence shield which is more capable of defending their territory from enemy missiles.......India going war on two fronts is a joke....the situation is simple WHAT PAKISTAN IS TO INDIA....IS WHAT INDIA IS TO CHINA.......
 
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First of all lets be real.....India at this stage is not capable of handling China and Pak both.......let alone both...If India has to go on war with China then also India wont be able to sustain for long...I know India do have qualitative edge but chinese dont have 1950 era warbirds also...they have su27's on AC and their warheads and missiles are more capable and devastating than India's...Lets be real if a war broke out with china then our defence shield is also not capable enough to handle 100's of missiles coming your way....Whereas they are operating s-300 defence shield which is more capable of defending their territory from enemy missiles.......India going war on two fronts is a joke....the situation is simple WHAT PAKISTAN IS TO INDIA....IS WHAT INDIA IS TO CHINA.......
The difference being my dear, China IS NOT India. If we indulge in what Pakis employ against us, China will not hesitate in using that as an excuse to roll down Tibetan plateau to forcibly occupy Indian territory till Leh and Kargil in the North and Karimganj in the North East. Sadly enough, I doubt we are capable of stopping them from doing so.
 

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first war till what extent, China will sweap indian territory in first blow ,no doubt , but so will be our counter offence , IA will be able to reclaim lost territory when counter offence will take place
and yes our infastructure is bad , really bad , but then we have an habbit to wake up at the last minute , we have th money but not the will ,also you did not mention the role of IN, IN can contain Pakistan attack on western sea board ,espicially when not Mig29K have been acquired , also Pakistan will not be able to support war for more than 1 month , we can , so the long war will be with chinnese , they may have numerical superiority but IAF and IN has qualitative superiority .
We can wake up only if we get big hardware assistance from somebody otherwise run to UN/USA/Russia and beg them to save
 

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We can wake up only if we get big hardware assistance from somebody otherwise run to UN/USA/Russia and beg them to save
At least we have someone to ask for help . whom will you ask for Help ?
Pakistan and North Korea I guess.
who will save your A** after our counter offensive?

Remember against you chinese it will not be only India . your arrogance and greedy attitude have created far more enemies than few terrorist friends like pakistanis and N koreans. So it will be china and its pet terrorist countries vs rest of world and we will clean world from all dirty peoples.


=xD
 

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The point here is simple,if we lose,we nuke them.Nobody wins.
 

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At least we have someone to ask for help . whom will you ask for Help ?
Pakistan and North Korea I guess.
who will save your A** after our counter offensive?

Remember against you chinese it will not be only India . your arrogance and greedy attitude have created far more enemies than few terrorist friends like pakistanis and N koreans. So it will be china and its pet terrorist countries vs rest of world and we will clean world from all dirty peoples.
I'm positive that there are hundreds of millions of people in the world that think Indians are dirty people. But they are wrong, just as you are wrong. No people is dirty. If you think they are... well, you are comparable to every racist and nationalist in the world.

They truth is, China may have more enemies than India, only as a result of being more potent. China has no arch-enemies like India has Pakistan, and it's image in the world is almost strictly on an interest basis - "if you're good for my business, you're a friend, otherwise, you're an enemy".
 

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First of all lets be real.....India at this stage is not capable of handling China and Pak both.......let alone both...If India has to go on war with China then also India wont be able to sustain for long...I know India do have qualitative edge but chinese dont have 1950 era warbirds also...they have su27's on AC and their warheads and missiles are more capable and devastating than India's...Lets be real if a war broke out with china then our defence shield is also not capable enough to handle 100's of missiles coming your way....Whereas they are operating s-300 defence shield which is more capable of defending their territory from enemy missiles.......India going war on two fronts is a joke....the situation is simple WHAT PAKISTAN IS TO INDIA....IS WHAT INDIA IS TO CHINA.......
look Indian armed forces are capable to handle pakistan ,more than just handle but to finish that country ,when it comes to China , it is speulation however what you said si true to some extent ,however India will not go down without any fight , if we lose ,we lose however china will also suffer to large extent , i think , then the difference between victory and loss will be blurred
 

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