Iranian Midget Sub Threat

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Gulf Navies Seek Solutions to Iran Midget Sub Threat | Defense News | defensenews.com

ABU DHABI — Iranian midget submarines are an imminent threat to maritime security in the Arabian Gulf, and regional naval leaders are looking for immediate options "within reach" to counter the threat.
There's no mystery to solving this problem, and it doesn't have to involve the needlessly risky hunting-down of every submarine. In the event of conflict, keep shipping/naval-assets out of Iran's reach (in harbor or underway in open water) and destroy support-facilities/bases for these slow, tiny, short-legged boats, The survivors will be all but inoperable within a matter of weeks.
 

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The Ghadir-class is also referred to as a sub-class of the Yono class, suggesting that the submarines may be based on North Korean technology, although the level of North Korean involvement is unknown, the organization said.
 

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There's no mystery to solving this problem, and it doesn't have to involve the needlessly risky hunting-down of every submarine. In the event of conflict, keep shipping/naval-assets out of Iran's reach (in harbor or underway in open water) and destroy support-facilities/bases for these slow, tiny, short-legged boats, The survivors will be all but inoperable within a matter of weeks.
What if Iran builds protected submarine pens (U-boot bunker)as the Germans did in France?
To create a haven in port for their lethal U-boat submarines, the Nazis built massive, impenetrable concrete submarine pens. Structures too immense to be hidden, they were constructed to withstand direct hits from even the biggest Allied bombs. Such was their size and strength that these pens survive today, a testament to their engineering.
Video: U-Boat Base | Watch Nazi Mega Weapons Online | PBS Video
 

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What if Iran builds protected submarine pens (U-boot bunker)as the Germans did in France?
You've gotta be kidding. What was a daunting challenge during WWII would be child's-play with today's systems. Consolidating their submarines/support-infrastructure in hardened pens would be an absolute dream for US military planners.
 

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You've gotta be kidding. What was a daunting challenge during WWII would be child's-play with today's systems. Consolidating their submarines/support-infrastructure in hardened pens would be an absolute dream for US military planners.
Well, here's the thing. There are military planners and there are military decision makers. If US has not used bunker busters to get at Iran's nukes, why would we think they would be used against Iran's little subs?

Bunker-busting behemoth: Pentagon upgrades bomb with Iranian nukes in mind | Fox News

"Hopefully we never have to use it," a senior U.S. official familiar with the development of the new version told The Wall Street Journal. "But if we had to, it would work."
 

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Well, here's the thing. There are military planners and there are military decision makers. If US has not used bunker busters to get at Iran's nukes, why would we think they would be used against Iran's little subs?
I'm not following your line of reasoning. Iran hasn't built any pens, yet you seem to already be making assumptions about their design and which weapons would be required to destroy them. You also seem to be equating MOP-usage with nukes, and that's just silly. Lets just assume Iran managed to case these things in 200+ ft of concrete; that still leaves plenty of options that weren't available vs the Germans. Your comparison remains invalid.

Putting it Barney-style: For 2nd-tier opponents vs the US, fixed/static position = dead position.
 
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I'm not following your line of reasoning. Iran hasn't built any pens, yet you seem to already be making assumptions about their design and which weapons would be required to destroy them. You also seem to be equating MOP-usage with nukes, and that's just silly. Lets just assume Iran managed to case these things in 200+ ft of concrete; that still leaves plenty of options that weren't available vs the Germans. Your comparison remains invalid.

Putting it Barney-style: For 2nd-tier opponents vs the US, fixed/static position = dead position.
I don't follow your alleged reasoning either, even if you had omitted the jargon and the breezy tone. I'll just let my posts on the subject stand.
 

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There is a RFP for LPDs, but never heard of one for a midget sub. AFAIK only sub RFP out is for P75I, and it's gonna be bigger than the Scorpenes.

we released some rfp or some thing i dont remember
 

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There's no mystery to solving this problem, and it doesn't have to involve the needlessly risky hunting-down of every submarine. In the event of conflict, keep shipping/naval-assets out of Iran's reach (in harbor or underway in open water) and destroy support-facilities/bases for these slow, tiny, short-legged boats, The survivors will be all but inoperable within a matter of weeks.
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