Iranian jets fire on U.S. drone

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  1. average american

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    Iranian jets fire on U.S. drone


    By Barbara Starr

    Two Iranian Su-25 fighter jets fired on an unarmed U.S. Air Force Predator drone in the Persian Gulf last week, CNN has learned.

    The incident raises fresh concerns within the Obama administration about Iranian military aggression in crucial Gulf oil shipping lanes.

    The drone was in international airspace east of Kuwait, U.S. officials said, adding it was engaged in routine maritime surveillance.

    Although the drone was not hit, the Pentagon is concerned.

    Two U.S. officials explained the jets were part of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps force, which has been more confrontational than regular Iranian military forces.

    The Obama administration did not disclose the incident, which occurred just days before the presidential election on November 1, but three senior officials confirmed the details to CNN.

    The officials declined to be identified because of sensitive intelligence matters surrounding the matter.

    The drone's still and video cameras captured the incident showing two SU-25s approaching the Predator and firing its onboard guns.

    The Iranian pilots continued to fire shots that went beneath the Predator but were never successful in hitting it, according to the officials.

    U.S. military intelligence analysts are still not sure if the Iranian pilots simply were unable to hit the drone due to lack of combat skill, or whether they deliberately were missing and had no intention of bringing down the drone. But as one of the officials said, "it doesn't matter, they fired on us."

    The official confirmed the United States protested the incident but has not heard back from Iran.

    Iran has, at times, been confrontational in the region. In January, the U.S. military and coast guard had close encounters with Iranian Navy vessels which approached at high speeds and exhibited provocative behavior.
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  3. illusion8

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    This probably was in retaliation for bringing an Iranian drone down by Israeli Air Force.
     
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    Attacking US planes over international waters could be considered an act of war.
     
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    The Predator should tow a large target to give the Iranian pilots something they can hit.
     
  7. average american

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    I figure the next Predator will shoot back, I know those guys well enough they are figureing out how to do it right now. they would love the opportunity to show drones can shoot down jets.
     
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    spikey360 Crusader Senior Member

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    Don't expect any scientific answer from average american, he'll probably cite what he's seen in Hollywood movies like Stealth and Skyline.
    As for what the Iranians did, they were absolutely correct. Next time, they should shoot it down. Flying drones and provoking others has become the daily chore of the Obama government. They are just itching for a war. Iran will be their last war. Iran will finally bell the cat. Don't know about Indian government or the Indian people, but I for one would whole heartedly support Iranian retaliation to this sort of aggressors.
     
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    even usa is aware of that.thats why want to cripple them with sanctions.
    in case of war its usa that suffers more than israel.iran has already announced that in case of war all us bases will be attacked
     
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    Why would they waste a good opportunity.

    If Iran doesn't fire those firing shots than the next drone patrol will over their own airspace.
     
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    Those are very much of warning shots..

    Such Slow UAV vs a Jet with GSH 30 is easy prey..
     
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    Iran will get squashed if they ever try to fight a conventional war. You can have 2 million ground troops, but without an air force it won't matter. Also, I don't think America is willing to get dragged into another guerrilla-styled war.
     
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    An American invasion of Iran will end up being a repeat of Vietnam, that is guaranteed. Not to mention that it will be best thing that could possibly happen to the current Iranian regime.
     
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    If it ever comes to actual war, I highly doubt there would be a ground invasion. Iran is just too big. More likely surgical air strikes coupled with cruise missiles designed to destroy all air defenses, ballistic missile sites, and nuclear enrichment sites. What happens to the regime is a whole other thing.
     
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    Do you think US will be able to get away with that? If it was that simple and that clean, then they would've done it by now.
    Russia and China has both hinted indirectly that an attack on Iran would be the last straw and there would be military retaliation from their sides in answer to a strike on Iran. America knows very well that an attack on Iran would set to fire the whole middle east region, the backyard of Russia and the ensuing picture won't be too good for their forces there. Why do you think US is still trying to dissuade Israel from carrying out surgical strikes when it seems the most logical thing to do, considering Iran's obstinacy and steadfastness for nuclear fuel? This type of fanboy wet dreams of Uncle Sam dominating everything it touches should be stopped at once. Starting a war is easy, but one can never know it's outcome. As Hitler once said, "War is like opening
    the door of a dark room, you never know what
    will happen"
     
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    Says a lot about Russian Planes when two SU 25s could not shoot down an unarmed american drone. I doubt if there would be much of problem installing air to air missiles on a drone. The best I can tell the way the USA would conduct a war with Iran would be to occupie several Islands off the coast of Iran such as Kish (35 sq miles ) as soon as it took out Irans Navy, and Airforce, with the avent of smart bombs the USA air force is some 200 times more powerful and effective then it was in World War II. Smart Rack doubles the firepower of an F/A-18 Guided weapons are a force multiplier the dragon's jaw bridge in Vietnam is a good example.
    The USAF and Navy tried to take it down with unguided weapons they used over 1200 bombs
    then it was finally brought down with a 2,000 lb laser guided bomb The Navy has some 11,000 missiles with pin point accuracy. I am sure the targeting data is already available and ready for input and war plans have been made as S.O..P,

    A number of Generals have already defected from Iran that would be ready to head up differant forces that oppose the Iranian goverment. I expect the kurds would be more then willing to have a home land in Northwest Iran. Iranian General Reportedly Defects he bought a harddrive with every detail of the Iranian military on it. Since the USA wont be conducting a ground war with Iran, the smart bombs will be takeing out every bridge, every power plant, of course Iranin refinery capacity. Of course all the the Iranian industiral capacity will be destroyed. I expect after a year or two the Iranian people will over throw the goverment. We have a lot of military equipment in that part of the world already so if Iran wants a war we might as well put it to good use.

    Compared to the US, China nor Russia have any military power.
     
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    Well, I was talking about a scenario in which war had started or was inevitable.
    Neither Russia nor China would risk ruining their economy for Iran. Losing the US market will almost certainly lead to the downfall of the Communist Party and China's ability to project power is suspect at best for now.

    Israel doesn't have the means to carry out a successful strike, or at least everything has to go right for them to be able to do it.

    How is Iran being incapable of thwarting the USAF a wet dream?
     
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    So the US is really sane after all (at least the current administration).
     
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    If Iran goes down, so does cheap oil, and for the Chinese, that does mean weakening of economy, hence its clout. If things were so simple like you portray, the strike on Iran would have occured already. As for Russia, Russia is certainly not dependent completely on USA. It has more dependence on whole of Europe rather than United States. Furthermore, Iran is an "ally" and most importantly a neighbour to Russia. If Russia loses Iran, that would almost nullify Moscow's influence in mideast region. If history has taught you anything you'd know that people value respect and security more than money. Russia is no exception to that. Could the US stay aloof if say, Argentina was embroiled in a conflict with Russia on South American soil? Therefore, it would be better if America and its so called allies look at the world through a pragmatic prism and not try to export democracy and freedom everywhere. Things are not as simple as those media people from America paint it. America is no saint either.

    As for Israel, they don't stand a chance with or without American help. When you have enraged all your neighbours, it's not a peaceful house you'd live in.

    Get this through to your head my friend, when America attacks Iran, it doesn't stay US Iran conflict anymore, it turns into a larger conflict because the Security Council would never sanction such an attack. That would mean a unilateral action on Iran by Nato. That by itself is an action worth retaliating against by Russia and China. Why do you think they are in the Security Council if they are so weak and so afraid of Uncle Sam like you wish to portray? America is digging its own grave.
     
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    Tell your friends in washington to not attack Iran, and then they need not apprehend any hostilities at all.
     

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