Iran calls India a Zionist regime

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    'Friend' Iran calls India a Zionist regime


    NEW DELHI: Iran is a close friend of India, but that has not prevented its supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, from asking the world's Muslims to support the "struggle" in Kashmir against "Zionist regimes".

    In his Haj message to pilgrims earlier this week, Khamenei said, "Today the major duties of the elite of the Islamic Ummah is to provide help to the Palestinian nation and the besieged people of Gaza, to sympathize and provide assistance to the nations of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Kashmir, to engage in struggle and resistance against the aggressions of the United States and the Zionist regime, to safeguard the solidarity of Muslims and stop tainted hands and mercenary voices that try to damage this unity, to spread awakening and the sense of responsibility and commitment among Muslim youth throughout Islamic communities."

    In the 1990s, India had registered its gratitude to Iran for helping it out diplomatically on Kashmir on human rights. But despite it all, Iran continues to play the Kashmir card in the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC), as do other Islamic countries even as they privately tell the Indian foreign office that they did not mean it.

    Read more: 'Friend' Iran calls India a Zionist regime - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-regime/articleshow/6949524.cms#ixzz15faFxljO
     
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    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (R) and Pakistan's Minister of Welfare, Population and Women's Rights Firdous Ashiq Awan met on Tuesday, Nov. 16, 2010.


    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says Iran places no limit on the expansion of ties with Pakistan, expressing full support for its eastern neighbor.


    "Iran has no limits on the expansion of ties with Pakistan and the relations between the two countries must be expanded in the economic, scientific, energy, business and medical sectors," President Ahmadinejad told Pakistan's Minister of Welfare, Population and Women's Rights Firdous Ashiq Awan on Tuesday.

    President Ahmadinejad also promised Iran's full support for Pakistan.

    The Pakistani official, for her part, welcomed Iran's support for the county in the aftermath of the recent floods and said Islamabad was determined to consolidate bilateral relations with Tehran.

    She said that Iran set an example for all Muslim countries including Pakistan.

    The minister also voiced her country's support for Iran's right to peaceful nuclear technology.
     
  4. ganesh177

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    Iran should relax a bit and stop getting desperate. India have yet not decided to totally give up on iran after obama visit. Instead of spewing venom so early, just wait for sometime and see how things unfold.
     
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    Ali Khamenei probably had no other choice but to make this statement, because:
    • Iran wants to make a common cause with countries in the Muslim world. They have few.
    • They would not like to lose whatever few friends they have left, after the snub from Russia and now, Obama's India visit. Keep in mind the last time India voted unfavourably towards Iran.
    • Iran needs customers for its energy export and this is a not-so-subtle threat about switching sides or shifting priorities.

    I think India should not make any official comment on this and let the dust settle down. Iran needs to know that India is not at the core of all its woes.
     
  6. The Messiah

    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    He is just pandering to the idiots because we all saw the farce that happened in the last election. All of his unity talk is rubbish because pak is in saudi's pocket and they would love nothing more than see iran down the dumps.
     
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    HAHAHA! What this is what you call irony; to call us "Zionist" when not even the shadow of a Jew is there in our ruling government, especially with this government hell-bent of appeasing the opposite of Zionists. :happy_2:

    The last time any Jew took powerful post in India was in NDA regime where retired Lt. Gen. JFR Jacob was the NSA for the government.
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    It would be a political miracle if GOI says anything in response whether positive or negative in this case. I believe what Ernesto said; pandering to local radicals to keep local consumption of nonsense high.
     
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    Just a little bit of common knowledge around Iranian public statements would have help TOI avoid this amateur headline. Zionist Regime is specifically restricted to Israel.

    They don't even use the word "Israel" to refer Israel the country. So the US and Zionist regime basically means the US and Israel really. If you check out UN speeches e.t.c. from Iranian leaders they always refer to Israel as "Zionist regime".
     
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    Iran's Khamenei urges Muslims to 'help' Kashmir

    TEHRAN: The Supreme leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei , has urged the Islamic Ummah to sympathise and provide assistance to Kashmir , and called the United States an arrogant, "self-styled commandant of the Islamic region and the real sponsor of the Zionist regime".

    "Today the major duties of the elite of the Islamic Ummah is to provide help to the Palestinian nation and the besieged people of Gaza, to sympathise and provide assistance to the nations of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Kashmir, to engage in struggle and resistance against the aggressions of the United States and the Zionist regime, to safeguard the solidarity of Muslims and stop tainted hands and mercenary voices that try to damage this unity, to spread awakening and the sense of responsibility and commitment among Muslim youth throughout Islamic communities," Khamenei's office quoted him, as saying, in his message to the Hajj pilgrims.

    "The extensive propaganda of the enemy to spread Islamophobia, its offhand efforts to create discord among Muslim sects, to incite sectarian prejudices, to bring about pseudo-confrontations between the Sunnis and the Shi'ah, to create disunity between Islamic states and to aggravate their differences, to change them into hostility and unsolvable conflicts, its employment of intelligence and espionage outfits to propagate corruption and immorality amongst the youth--all these are nervous and bewildered responses to the steady and firm advances of the Islamic Ummah towards awakening, honour and freedom," he added.

    Khamenei noted that in today's world, the "Zionist regime is no more the undefeatable monster of 30 years ago. The United States and the West are also no more the unquestionable decision-makers of the Middle East that they were two decades ago."

    "Contrary to the situation that existed ten years ago, the nuclear know-how and other complex technologies are no longer considered inaccessible daydreams for Muslim nations of the region," he added.

    In his message, Khamenei went on to say, "Today the arrogant United States, the self-styled commandant of the Islamic region and the real sponsor of the Zionist regime, is bogged down in the quagmire of its own making in Afghanistan. As a result of all its crimes against the people of Iraq, it is in the course of becoming isolated in that country. It is hated more than ever before in disaster-stricken Pakistan."

    He said that the influence of the anti-Islamic front was receding while the wave of Islamic awakening was "steadily advancing and growing in depth day by day."

    "On the one hand, this hopeful and promising situation should inspire us, the Muslim nations, to keep marching ahead towards the desirable future with ever greater confidence. On the other hand, the past lessons and experience should make us more vigilant than ever before," said the spiritual leader, adding, "This general imperative undoubtedly calls for greater commitment from religious scholars, political leaders, intellectuals and youth than the others and requires them to be at the vanguard of the struggle."
     
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    A religious fanatic like Ayatollah has to say this. Infact it was surprising that he has been mum all the while. This come as India is really getting cozy with the US.

    Wonder what the Iranian government has to say on this.
     
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    It is common for Clerics in the Middle East and at some other places to Pray for Easing of the hardships of people in war torn areas, and they always name Kashmir, Bosnia, Palestine etc etc.

    Iran is actually jittery too, with the USA closing in on them and the whole Election Fiasco and a Crackpot of a Leader, Ahmedinijad doesnt help either. But I dont think they would Demonize India!

    This is just a Ploy by TOI to grab a few eyeballs!
     
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    TOI headline is misleading. The news is a couple of days old. And it in no way implies india as Zionist regime which Iran uses only for Israel. Baat ka batangar.
     
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    I would have got agitated it this had been spoken by Ahmadinejad but it has been spoken by Ali Khamenei. Nothing outrageous to call him Osama Bin Laden minus Al Quida. He was the cause behind Iran-Iraq war, he calls for pan Islamic world and etc.

    And TOI is not wrong in pulling rest of muslim world on their attitude towards kashmir. We very well know what resolutions OIC passes regarding their thoughts on Kashmir.
     
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    As long as Ahmadinejad doesn't quote Kashmir, India won't be much concerned. Khomeini is a die hard fanatic, the whole world knows that.
     
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    Quite an interesting departure from Iran's otherwise friendly ties with India.

    It could also be a way to put pressure on India that the growing friendship with the US is not to Iran's liking and that India should take heed.

    I don't think the 'Muslim world' (whatever that means!) will really take heed to what Khemeni has to say.

    Saudi Arabia is arming itself with new US weaponry. This has not found favour with the US Congress as was mentioned in a news item appended on a thread here.

    The news item mentioned that it was not only against Israel but also against Iran.

    It must be realised that Iran is a Shia nation and the Sunni Nations are not too comfortable with it. In fact, Saudi Arabia is totally inimical to Iran. The Sunni nations are not very comfortable with Iran, not only because of the difference in their path to Islam, both holding their path as the correct one, but because Iran has shown to the 'Muslim world' and to others that while the Sunni Muslim Nations are high on rhetoric and have repeatedly attempted to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth, they have failed miserably at each and every attempt and having had to cower every time and lick their wounds.

    On the other hand, Iran has, through the Hezbollah given a trying time to the Israelis in the Lebanese War and have had some resounding successes. This has left the Sunni Arab nations most embarrassed and hence are not too enamoured by the Shia Iran.

    Therefore, to my mind, Ali Khaemeni's message is not a rouser for the Sunni Arabs or for that matter for Sunnis anywhere.

    His message is also not worth the bandwidth it was spoken with since Pakistan has more worries than they can handle. There main concern is to see that they don't break up. They thus have hardly any residual strength to do anything substantial in Kashmir, let alone capture it. They can barely manage the proxy war and instead are now down in the dumps as is evidenced by Pakistan using further proxies like the Hurriyat to give a semblance that their proxy war in Kashmir is succeeding!!
     
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    why does iran supports Hezbollah against israel. what does it gains?
     
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    I think India has to change its perception the way it has seen Iran way before. Iranian head's comment on 26/11 as internal job was the first alarm. Iran has turned into a mad dog who sniff and bark on anything which has smell of USA. May be Iran is thinking that he will be able to bully old weak India but i must tell these Iranians that India elephant has already overcome pressures with its weight only and has learnt to use its tusks upon many. May be they can ask any sane Pakistani if not sure.
     
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    You have to seperate Iran the nation from the current regime which runs on an ideology of political Islam or more narrowly a version of political shia'ism.

    Supporting Hizbullah is part of exporting that ideology to shia majority area of Lebanon. Plus it helps in raising street credibility of the regime in the sunni majority of the Arab world which shows that Iran is the only country capable of standing up to the "Zionists entity" as they call Israel. Its also a convenient way to show down the Arab countries who prefer the Palestinian Authority over Hizbullah.

    Iranian politics is deeply influences by the UK and US influence, particularly the deposing of democratically elected Mossadegh in 1953 by the CIA and establishing a ruthless dictator for the next 25 years who was pro-US and anti-religion who brutally suppressed any opposition. The fall of the pro-US regime happened in 1979 and the anti-US backlash came to the fore and continues to play a role.
     
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    Its not only Iran which supports hezbollah both Syria and Iran provides financial, military and administrative aid to overthrow Israel's position in lebanon.. This is to gain strategic positions..

    Its something like US supplies Pakistan with all aids to root its strategic interest.. If we are looking for reasons it runs deep into history..

    Hezbollah formed nearly after the Lebanon war which was fought between Israel and PLO (formed by Palestinian refugees).. It was actually PLO which was degraded into Hezbollah still fight against Israel.. The positions used in Hezbollah is in sync with PLO policies.. Iran and Syria has supported them to get rid of Israel fearing that they may over power both nations...

    The Lebanon conflict started after very long silence happened as a result of peace treaty between the two countries when an officer got killed due to a land mine kept by Lebanon forces... Swiftly, Israel has raided Lebanon cities killing all top leaders.... Israel is unlike Indian politicians have guts to uproot the enemy who stood against them... It is India who keeps silent and watching the Pakistani forces firing at Indian side killing a sequence of 2-3 Jawans monthly....:angry_6: (Sorry might be a OT)
     
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    Khamenei's Islamist regime in Iran has come under sever domestic pressure following the controversial reelection of President Ahmedinejad last year.The regime is still fuming over the bloody and violent riots that followed when mousavi led opposition took to the streets after it alleged that the Iranian Guardian council led by the Ayatollah orchestrated the rigging of the election to help Ahamadinejad stay in power.The Ayatollah and his supporters considers Mousavi a potentially more dangerous threat than previous reformist like Khatami and is making an all out effort to fend of the reformist challenge,including making various public statements that reasserts the the Islamic basis of the Iranian revolution and why Iran still needs to be tethered to it.

    Khamenei's reference to Kashmir must have been part of a slew of similar public pronouncement we have seen from top clerics of the Guardian council,and like somebody mentioned before,perhaps directed more at a domestic audience.However this will certainly make the indian govt a little irritated.
     

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