IPL snubs Pak players

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probably the best news of the new year. this should make the pakistan people, players and politician realize that they are being isolated.
the IPL owners and representatives just avoiding the controversy by saying they doubt the availability of players but the real fact is they showing their anger to pakistanis and ignoring them.
IPL could probably compensate at the best by giving them tickets for all IPL matches.
 

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Not a IPL fan but recent news regarding IPL- pakistanis are pushing my celebration to brim. Hope one responsible(if any) does not revert his/her decision under building media(Indian) pressure.

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Hasan demanded the government of breaking all diplomatic ties with New Delhi, saying it has been conspiring against Islamabad malign its international image.
Go ahead as if it will even have the effect on india
 

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The IPL’s Tampered Ball

The player auction represented the tragic blurring of two distinct spheres of experience: politics and cricket.

If one sought to imagine how India might act as a superpower, one could do worse than follow the world of cricket, where it already is one. The last decade has witnessed not just a resurgence of India as a top international side, but also its complete domination of the administrative and financial levers of the sport.

With power comes privilege. After 96 years of being based in London, the International Cricket Council moved its headquarters eastwards, to Dubai, to be closer to the new centre of power. The ‘liberal’ entente regarding the rotation of World Cup hosting rights between continents was done away with, the subcontinent demanding a second helping over Australia and New Zealand’s protestations. And now, the world’s richest and most high-profile league is based in India, attracting the best international talent. Rich, brash, ruthless and unforgiving, Indian cricket has acted much like a hegemon might have been expected to act in international politics.

The dynamics of this parallel world order, however, rarely matched those of the international political system. The other poles of power in cricket have been Australia, South Africa and England, none of whom would count themselves among India’s chief political competitors. Along with Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, India formed a powerful subcontinental bloc, despite constant political friction with its neighbours. While perhaps ‘unnatural,’ the parallel universes could exist in relative harmony, their distinction, in fact, proving mutually invigorating. Cricket could always thrive, while helping to overcome and dilute political conflict.

But the third IPL player auction, held today in Mumbai, represents a tragic blurring of the two spheres of experience. Several star Pakistani players on the auction block were painfully, publicly passed over by Indian franchises. The cricketing logic for this collective decision on the part of IPL teams is certainly questionable. On present form and future potential, there is no reason that Umar Akmal and Mohammed Aamer should have been passed over. Shahid Afridi may arguably be past his destructive prime, but few non-Indian players are bigger draws for Indian cricket fans. And Sohail Tanvir and Umar Gul already proved themselves Twenty20 superstars in the 2008 edition of the IPL, with the former finishing top wicket-taker. Added insult to their snub came in the form of players who were picked instead: the long-ordinary Mohammad Kaif, retired stroke-maker Damien Martyn, and the chronically unfit Yusuf Abdulla.

The publicly-stated reason for the snub was unsatisfactory: teams were simply unwilling to deal with the added security and uncertainty that Pakistani players would bring with them. Given the security necessary to hold the IPL (the absence of which forced a move of last year’s edition to South Africa) and the draw their inclusion would bring the tournament in Pakistan, these excuses ring hollow.

Worst, the manner in which this was done (the Pakistani players were reportedly included in the auction following demonstrations of interest by teams), renders irrelevant all the cloying calls for peace, understanding and Track IV dialogue being made by the Indian and Pakistani media in recent weeks and months. If cricket—perhaps the last bastion of Indian popular culture left untainted by the worst aspects of international politics—is to be tarnished in this manner, it is a sad day indeed.

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IPL AND PAKISTANI CRICKETERS

The bottomline is this is not about Cricket, this is about how we do business in India.

The fact that not even on franchise bid on even one Pakistani player points to tacit collusion. The IPL franchises behaved like a cartel to discriminate against players of certain nationality. Now IPL as a League could have formally barred all players of Pakistani origin, but they chose not to do so, thus betraying a certain lack of business ethic.

Yes, IPL as a private business has the right to do what it wants but that right is not beyond the ethics and values how any business must conduct itself. Tacit collusion by a cartel to discriminate against individuals based on origin doesnt speak highly of IPL’s ethics and values as a private business.

The situation here is no different from a H1-B scenario. Imagine all of Silicon Valley tacitly colluding to discriminate against H1-B visa holders legally in the United States, eligible and willing to work in the United States by its laws.

It is one thing if the Indian State were to bar Pakistani citizens from participating in commerce in India by denying them visas.

Cricket players from Pakistan who were passed over by IPL did not come by boat illegally without visas. They were ready to sign up to perform in India legally playing by Indian laws.

If granted a legal visa to perform in India there should be no basis for any cartel to tacitly collude and discriminate against any group of individuals be it Pakistani cricketers or Chinese Engineers.

This issue is not about Cricket.

This issue is about transparency, business ethics and how we do business.

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very sad to see the way IPL teams behaved and sadder that Pakistani players will not be seen in action.
 

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I think they behaved responsibly. After all only few options were left to punish pakistan when we had clearly said that war is not option. Nation first fun next.
 

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The snubbing of Pakistani cricketers seems to give a lot of Indians satisfaction of having the power to be exclusive and publicly humiliate the nationals of a country that is disliked (albeit for very serious reasons). This however is false contentment with no function other than self aggrandizement. The undercurrent here reads "we have put the Pakistanis in their place." Really? Well yippe doo dah, what exactly does this achieve?

It is clear that there is no impediment here other than occult political demagoguery. This visa issue is horsecrap; the GoI can issue visas for a handful of world renowned Pakistani sportsmen at the beck of a phone call if need be, so this whole "air of uncertainty" from a pragmatic perspective is pure hogwash. This is complete nonsense and in many ways compromises the spirit of modern India.

The IPL franchise has clearly shown itself to be a meritocratic organization based on the principles of capitalism and market forces. It has revolutionized cricket, delivered an excellent product to the Indian consumer, and brought with it immense prestige and power to India as a cricketing nation. From what I understand there was never any major public outcry repudiating the inclusion of Pakistani players in the auction, so presumably the audience was all but ready to see the best players being showcased in this tournament. Yet all of this was derailed by silly chauvinism.

Indians have to realize that collective punishment as a punitive response by the side that clearly holds more power is poor form. Banishing Pakistani sportsmen and entertainers from participating in Indian events is nothing more than collective punishment which exposes India as being insecure, small and petty. The allegory of India's future participation in the global power structure is unmistakable as is the petty behavior which has always served as an impediment. India as the new power center of global cricket should be promoting and elevating the game to higher standards, not sullying it with personal politics in the form of apartheid. The indisputable fact remains that the participants in question are some of the most skilled and successful virtuosos of T20 cricket, and this has been proven time and time again through their individual performances as well as that of their national team. Furthermore they had nothing to do with the Mumbai attacks or anything negative toward India (except for maybe bashing around the woeful Indian bowling attack on occasion).

So in the end, prejudice trumped sporting excellence, meritocracy and the increasingly healthy competitive spirit of modern India. Luckily "bureaucratic delays" and a misplaced nationalism were around to justify it. Again.
 
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This was an insultive game played by IPL. They would have told PCB before as they also announced the short list on 6th Jan and all Pakistani players were included. If IPL was not sure about their availability they basically should have not added Pakistani players into that short list in the first place..... Pathetic.
 

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This was an insultive game played by IPL. They would have told PCB before as they also announced the short list on 6th Jan and all Pakistani players were included. If IPL was not sure about their availability they basically should have not added Pakistani players into that short list in the first place..... Pathetic.
This is the problem there is nothing insulting in it. Players are there for auction if any one thinks that they are worth the money demanded then they will be bought otherwise not nothing insulting and all in it.
 

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probably they can start Pakistan Premiere League. they have so many groups like TTP, haqqani network, baloch groups, al-qaeda, kashmiri groups, D company, lawyers union etc.
 

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What is going on, I am not able to understand why people are on to say that IPL has done something wrong by choosing no Pakistani player after all more then 50 players was in auction and only 11 are taken. The people started reacting after Pakistanis started acting erratic after all they were expecting to be picked up with higher price and not being preferred is hurting there H&D because there H&D gets hurt by almost anything. There is absolutely nothing wrong done from Indian side it's a pure business decision.
 

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I don't think the IPL has done anything wrong. They allowed the Pakistani players to participate in the auction as per their audience's demands of seeing the best players in the world duke it out. The reason no team picked them up was because the government was being iffy with the granting of visas and probably warned the teams in advance. Obviously no team is going to spend million$ only to find out that the player can't even enter the country.

This has far more to do with the decision making in the government quarters than anything else. Lalit Modi will of course attract a lot of bad press, but he is powerless against the government.

neo29: Calling Pakistani players worthless equates to intellectual dishonesty. Their stats speak for themselves.
 

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There are absolutely no two sides to this coin, Pakistanis have been specifically kicked out of the ipl and so it has to be. This is an Indian domestic league with an international flavor and it is our wish of whom to plan and whom not to play and with the memories of 26/11 still running fresh it was best they were kept out, and I seriously doubt majority of Indians wanted to see them anyways. Visa issue is just an excuse at a time when other sports men/women, people in bollywood, politicians, journalists from Pakistan have been granted visas without any issues.

Pakistanis should have smelt the coffee when initially the visa row happened when lalit modi said that no further extension in deadlines for applying for the auctions with a proper visa in place which then meant that the Pakistanis could have not taken part in the auction process, but then they were desperate to get in some how and got this issue played up through media who put the pressure on the government and on the ipl officials and some how made it through to the auction process. if one recalls imran khan had made a huge hue and cry in the first place, with him appearing on indian media and question why they were not being allowed to be auctioned.

As far as the franchisees are concerned, I don’t blame them, they have a business model in place and they have to look at the roi generated or else people involved in running the business face the danger of an axe falling on their job and it would have been absolutely foolish to invest on something from where the returns to be generated would have not even recovered the costs involved.

as far as the commercial interests of telecasting the ipl in pakistan are concerned, that are well taken care of which will again be telecasted in pakistan and the telecast rights have been signed well in advance with the telecaster (i think the geo network) having paid his dues in advance to the ipl organising committee.

Media can blabber about the issue. They have their own fantasy world of “aman ki asha” and they want to live their dream through it and any hindrance caused to that agenda and they will act as a cry baby who did not get his lollypop.

If Pakistanis feel humiliated so be it, none of our concerns, we are not here to soothe them especially when they back stab us each time when we want to trust them. If Pakistan is so desperate and frustrated, in protest they can walk out of the world cup if they so wish, since the majority of the matches will be played in india, just as their parliamentary committee has foregone their visit to india as a mark of protest.
 

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The use of GoI as excuse by IPL teams is still not confirmed. No one from GoI has spoken on this.
 

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aman ki asha has now certainly become ''aman ki ashes ".

The people of India are in no mood to forgive and forget.

Govt hand in all this is clear. SO BE IT.
 

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It was wrong to leave Pakistani cricketers out​

It is in India’s interests to be the subcontinent’s talent magnet​

If you have been reading this blog for some time you might have noticed that The Acorn has consistently been against any measure that falsely conveys an impression that Pakistan is no longer a sponsor of international terrorism in general and proxy-war against India in particular. That is the reason why this blog has opposed using a cricket series in Pakistan to initiate a ‘peace process’. And that was the motivation behind the April 2005 online banner campaign against inviting General Musharraf for a cricket match.


India must resolutely work towards the dismantling and eventual destruction of the Pakistani military-jihadi complex. Well-meaning but strategically unsound moves—from officially contrived ‘peace processes’ to grotesque media campaigns—are counterproductive towards this end. Even serious diplomatic dialogue with the Pakistani government is unlikely to lead to anything productive, given the chronic powerlessness of the civilian government and the unremitting hostility of the military establishment.

But does this mean India should close its doors to individual Pakistanis who might wish to travel, trade, work or study in India? Not at all.

It is in India’s interests to be a magnet for the subcontinent—and the world’s—talent. This has historically been a source of India’s civilisational strength, and will continue to enrich the country in the future. Indeed, like it is for the United States, openness to foreigners can be a competitive advantage for India, because China will find it much harder to do so. Also India is the only nation that has the capability to remain open to victims of cultural illiberalism and persecution (even if competitive intolerance has diminished its capability to do so). Now, given the nature of the threat from Pakistan, there is good reason to be extremely careful in issuing visas, but it would be strategically counterproductive to close doors indiscriminately.

That is why it was wrong of Indian Premier League teams to drop all Pakistani players from the competition—if there was a risk of their not turning up due to bilateral tensions, then that risk could well have been reflected in the price during the auction.

Just as it is wishful thinking to believe that the Pakistani military-jihadi complex is interested in a settlement with India on anything other than its own terms, it is self-defeating to turn away influential and talented Pakistanis from developing vested interests in India’s success. Unilaterally dropping trade restrictions and unilaterally allowing Pakistani cricketers to play in India is entirely consistent with weakening the military-jihadi complex.

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We had played a lot with Pakistan from 2004-2007 but the public mood & security situation today is hardly similar to those days.

A business man is in IPL to make money.
And the first rule is dont invest in an uncertain comodity especially when there is a choice.There is a lot of time between today and end of IPL.And India-Pakistan relations are hardly a shade better than they were an year ago.Last year the Pakistani governemnt has itself barred its players from playing in IPL.Considering the fickle nature of ties its better to invest money wisely.

Remember the auction wasnt done by GOI.
It was done by businessmen and its their money and they will invest it to get 'bang for thier buck'.

Its as simple as that.

Actually there is one Pakistani in IPL3 Wasim Akram(though he was contracted much earlier).So there isnt a bias.
 

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The arguments on both sides are well presented.

Loving this thread.
 

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http://cricket.zeenews.com/fullstory.aspx?nid=26921http://cricket.zeenews.com/fullstory.aspx?nid=26921

Mumbai: External Affairs Minister SM Krishna on Thursday ruled out government involvement in the IPL`s snub of Pakistan players.

Talking to reporters, Krishna also said that the government had nothing to do with IPL and that Pakistan should know where to draw the line.

If sources in the Indian Premier League are to be believed, there may have been a consensus among franchisees over not to bid for any of the Pakistan players on offer during the January 19 auction.

Sports Minister MS Gill has said on record that the ministry had no hand in Pak players’ snub as it never issued any advisory against picking cricketers from the neighboring country, but reports in a leading Indian news daily suggest that the orders may have been reversed at the last moment, which led to all the drama during the high-profile event.

According to reports, while the BCCI had initially directed IPL as well as the various franchisees to pick and treat Pakistan players like all the others, adding that it would even talk to the govt. and try to get the required permissions and visas for those picked, the situation changed dramatically just a few days before the auction.

Reportedly, the BCCI, after talking to govt. officials, said that there was no guarantee of the players’ availability during the third edition of the annual event, thereby forcing the franchisees to ignore the players.

The possible disruptions of matches (that feature Pakistan players) to be held in Mumbai by Shiv Sena and MNS also prompted the franchisee owners to overlook Pakistan players.

The Shiv Sena had a few days earlier threatened to disrupt matches in Mumbai that feature Australian players to protest against racial attacks on Indians in Australia.

“Security is a huge factor and it’s only the team owners who will have to take up the responsibility. BCCI is not responsible for internal security in the IPL. The board had asked the government if the Pakistanis would be safe in a place like Mumbai. The answer wasn’t too convincing with a senior state government functionary pointing out that barely a year had elapsed since the 26/11 terror attack in Mumbai," the newspaper quoted a BCCI insider as saying.

"There was no direction from the board. The indication from the board was that the Pakistani players are shortlisted and you guys can bid for them. But they may not be welcomed in a place like Mumbai," the official added.
 

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