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i don't think india is in any sorte of position to advice iran on nuke issue , nuke issue is iran's pride matter and it will not be good for india to put his legs into this matter ...
Understand what that line is supposed to mean. India can only advice/ask/urge Iran. That's it. Beyond that we should bother about our own interests.
Iran will continue with it's plan regardless.
 

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To start up with India should reach out to Iran during the Shangai Co-operation Organization summit in Yekaterinburg, Russia. Both India and Iran is observer nations in the SCO which helps them get into scheme of things together. The greater that India could involve Iran in SCO means that it could have greater influence with direct diplomacy with Afghanistan and Track II diplomacy with Pakistan. . SCO is critical of U.S‘s role in Afghanistan.
As the military is fond of saying here, this project would be called Operation WAFTAM. Waste of F***ing time and Money. The only thing worse than a christian or a jew for a supremacist islamic regime are the people they call the mushrukins, the idolators, or the sikhs and hindus. Don't waste your breathe. Whoever wrote this article has a very naive view of Iran.

If you don't believe me, read some of the Iranian government's own publications. No 'Religion of Peace' doctrine in any of them, they are very forthcoming about what they consider their religion to be about. And to think that Hindus or Sikhs, could ever tell Iran *anything* is just silliness.
 
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we need to stay out of Iranian internal matters, only focus on bilateral issues that interest us and them, especially the nuclear issues Iran is nuclear today with great help from Pakistan and this has never even been brought up with Pakistan,so why should we even discuss this topic.

http://www.hvk.org/articles/1203/95.html
 

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we need to stay out of Iranian internal matters, only focus on bilateral issues that interest us and them, especially the nuclear issues Iran is nuclear today with great help from Pakistan and this has never even been brought up with Pakistan,so why should we even discuss this topic.

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can/will Isreal bomb the iranian nuke extablishment ?
 
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can/will Isreal bomb the iranian nuke extablishment ?
if they haven't under the Bush administration they certainly won't under Obama who probably would not support Israel on any strikes on Iran.
 

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Stay put and play on both sides. That is what we need to do with Iran. It is a tight rope-walk for India when it comes to Iranian issues. Iran-Israel relationship is also hard to maintain. We need to make very careful strides in it and we must think before we leap.
 

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Religion does not play a major part in foreign affairs formulation.
Therefore, India’s equation with the US, Israel and Iran (all professing majority religion with which India’s majority religion has no commonality) does not have to be on a rob Peter to pay Paul matrix. India has to look after its national interest and that should be the paramount rationale.

US, being the sole superpower, has to be humoured. Its market and service should be the sole interest and an occasional major buy of military hardware to show ‘common strategic interest’. It may be interesting to note that Burns is keener to talk of the ‘Kashmir’ issue rather than the Pakistani sponsored terrorism. Nothing wrong. They are protecting their own national interest. If they can do so, so can we.

Inspite of the rhetoric, the US is trying to make amends with Iran, so what is our hassle? Waiting for the US nod?

Our energy security is important. India has signed the nuclear agreement with the US, but where is the nuclear fuel? Therefore, in the interim, why not Iranian gas and fuel.

India wants to buy uranium from Australia, which has more than 40 percent of the world's known reserves of the mineral, however the Australian Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer said, Australia had no plans to change a policy which rules out uranium sales to countries like India which have not signed the UN's nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

We would be damned if we sign the NPT or CTBT if other hold fast and not sign though we are bound by the bilateral agreement with it and India-specific safeguards with the IAEA.
 
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we are getting fuel from kazakstan, france has guaranteeed lifetime fuel supply along with Russians, and Canada is also interested in an agreement, we don't fuel from USA or Australia anymore.
 

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The problems with IPI as I have stated before is
1. Cost of Gas. It will cost us ~80% the price of crude. Transit costs are enormous.
2. Pakistan. No security. "Non state" actors :wink: can cause havoc to our energy-security.
3. No guarantees on regular supply, nor any penalty clauses on Pak. Basically we have to pay for Gas that is delivered on Iran-Pak border rather than Pak-India border

GAS
Qatar will emerge as the largest supplier of Gas to India, and Russia and Australia are making inroads to(to compare the price of Qatar gas in the future will not cost more than 12.65% of the crude price)

CRUDE

Crude-Gas consumption will be massively skewed in favour of crude for the forseeable future, therefore India's energy security really depends on who is supplying us Crude.
India buys crude from some 3 dozen countries.

IRAN

We are committed to developing Fields that we have bought in Iran, but we will not join IPI till we get a better rate for the gas at least one that is comparable to the Qatari rate. Iran will not mind as long as we are buying and investing, since that is the purpose of a pipeline.


Iran is our second largest supplier of crude and in the future will become the largest and that speaks volume of our trust in Iran, and Iran choses India to refine crude for domestic consumption that speaks volume of Iranian trust in India.


ISSUES

Iranian fears seeing our relationship with Israel and US, our negative vote at IAEA made them highly insecure.
China's muscle and money clout, and indifference to US. They have the ability to outinvest India and are doing that.
India's insistence on playing it by the rules. Vote against Iran, honouring sanctions hence no help on military, legendary bureaucracy and no insurance clauses hampering investments by private players.
 

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next 17 years , no worry , we have enough gas from KG D-6 ...80mncf/day , more then twice we needed...
 

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next 17 years , no worry , we have enough gas from KG D-6 ...80mncf/day , more then twice we needed...
actually no,

KGD-6 will help us reduce our current deficit of some 100mmscmd/day and in no way will it allow us to bridge the expect deficit.
The gas consumption per capita is about to shoot up.

Another point, the gas will be charged at 4.2$/MMBTU that is higher than the prevailing spot rate and the cost of gas that we get from Qatar after transport.
 

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TEHRAN: As the sun sinks behind wooded hills, the air is crisp, shadows lengthen on plush boulevards and the northern end of the city starts to
have a party. Every evening, smartly dressed young men with gelled hair and fashionably made-up girls in colourful hijabs and fragrant with European perfume gather at the city's squares. They carry photos of their favourite candidate for the June 12 presidential election.

The party kicks off when they start to shout slogans. Young men balance dangerously on the windows of speeding cars; horns honk furiously; the girls yell at biker boy-gangs. At the square, young boys and girls, colourful bands wrapped around their heads and wrists, ready for a rally. There is the roar of "Iran, Iran" and clenched fists rise and fall in rhythm.

Tehran is sleepless. Less than a week before an election that could be a turning point in their history, the young – 70% of Iran's population is below the age of 30 – are leading a campaign with slogans that symbolize their yearing: "Change"; "We can"; "Revolution". Every evening, the main gate of Tehran University becomes a battle zone, with supporters of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his main rival, former prime minister Mir Hossein Mousavi, exchanging slogans and, because this is Iran, roses.

On Wednesday night, as Ahmadinejad and Mousavi had an unprecedented 90–minute-long face-off on national television, Iran came to a halt. Some 50 million people – of a population of 70 m – watched. There are four more debates to go and everyone is waiting. "It's so interesting to see for the first time the candidates having an intense debate on TV. Now, we know which candidate has what in mind for our future, our jobs and education," says Fatemeh, a 21-year-old student at Tehran University.

It's interesting times in Iran. The country is changing. US President Barack Obama has acknowledged Iran's "legitimate need for nuclear energy" and accepted the CIA's role in the 1959 coup against the Mossadegh government. G8 leader Italy has invited Iran to a ministerial-level meet on Afghanistan later this month. Tehran and Baghdad have signed more than 100 MOUs, including joint oil exploration agreements within common borders and security issues. Iran and China have signed a $5 bn-gas deal to develop the giant South Pars gas field in the Persian gulf.

"Finally, our foreign policy is paying off. We took a principled stand on some crucial issues and the world has now acknowledged it," says an Iranian official, echoing Ahmadinejad, who boasted this week that he took a "tough stand against the bullies" and made the Western world understand that "Iran was strong".

But Iran has problems. Inflation is high - 25%. There have been terror attacks in the Zahedan area near the Pak-Afghan border. But Iranians are bullish. "The Americans have no right to tell us if we should have a nuclear bomb or not," says Hamid Hashemi, a shopkeeper. "They want to keep us down with sanctions, but Iran is growing, just like India which progressed despite the US sanctions after your nuclear blast," says the Mousavi-supporter.

That is the only mention of India. Iran's attachment to India is cultural and sentimental. The very word "Hindustan" makes ordinary people smile and shopkeepers generous. Thanks to Bollywood, people stop "Hindustanis" on the streets and talk to them in Farsi. Young people admire India's "software power". Bilateral trade has reached the $14-bn mark; Iran is India's second biggest supplier of oil; thousands of Iranians go to India for education and tourism every year; and in recent years Indians, particularly from Kashmir, have been coming to Iran to study. But there is bad news as well: around 80% of the bilateral trade is in oil; the gas pipeline deal has been stuck for years; and Iranians see India as moving too close to the US at its expense.

In private, Indian officials, admit that New Delhi needs to engage with Tehran more vigorously. "The Chinese are doing a lot of business here. They are even making Tehran's metro network. We could have done that," says an official.

Irrespective of who wins the election, change is in the air in Iran. The world too is looking at Tehran differently. Perhaps India should join the party?

Memo to India: Look west, at Iran - Deep Focus - The Times of India
"Pakistan" is never a possible part of ANY solution of any of the problems that India faces. Instead it is the cause of ALL troubles that our country has faced since her independence. If something can be done between Iran and India; its fine. Include Pakistan and the deal is canceled.

The last thing we would want is Pakistan holding us for ransom by hijacking the oil pipeline that connects Iran and India. I don't understand what is Indians' problem for their recent baby love for an enemy country. It is pathetic and spineless.

Time and again, we approached Pakistan with peace talks, only to be gifter terrorism back. Not any more. And I pity the civilians in India for their peace-loving approach even to their enemies. This is the reason why countless invaders have robbed our wealth for centuries, making them rich and turning our country into a wasteland. Unless Indians don't realise this, India will continue to worsen.

I apologize for my bitter words, but one must remember that truth sometimes can be bitter.
 

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Vayu,
Many Indians are slowly waking up to the facts(historical and current) that you mentioned. But some are still stuck with their 'Gandhigiri'!
 

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I think IPI is an excellent idea, and its become an even better idea since the US has decided to start making friends with Iran.

Of course, we cannot allow the IPI oil to become our lifeline, but that's something which can be taken care of at the highest leves of government.

Infact, India should diversify its sources of energy even further, so that any attempts by Pakistan to use the pipeline as some sort of leverage are not successful.

Other than that, IPI will greatly enhance Indo-Iranian ties, and god knows we need more allies in the Middle East.

IPI is a suicide for India, who should be looking at nuclear energy for power needs after the much publicised nuke deal with US.

Other than that, I am sure there are many other ways to increase the friendship between the two countries.
 

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India may build $5.1 bln power station in Iran-govt | Reuters

NEW DELHI, Aug 25 (Reuters) - India may set up a 250 billion rupee ($5.1 billion) natural gas-fired power plant in Iran to generate at least 5,000 megawatts, Power Secretary H.S. Brahma said on Tuesday.

Energy-starved India, which imports 70 percent of the oil it consumes, has considered several options such as natural gas pipelines from Iran and Turkmenistan via Pakistan, but the proposals have not made much headway because of tension between New Delhi and Islamabad.

"There is a shortage of coal, shortage of gas in India. This (power plant) is viable," Brahma said on the sidelines of a business conference.

A smaller power station would not be viable as the power would be transmitted to India across a 1,000-km high-voltage transmission line.

"Our ambassador in Iran is trying his best for this. This is a proposal from the ministry of external affairs. A team from Iran is likely to visit India this year to explore the possibility of investing in India and vice versa."

On Monday, an Indian newspaper reported that the country may build a 6,000 MW power station in Iran. [ID:nDEL484282] (Reporting by Nidhi Verma; Editing by John Mair)
 

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India plans 6,000 MW power project in Iran-report | Industries | Industrials, Materials & Utilities | Reuters

NEW DELHI, Aug 24 (Reuters) - India is considering building a gas-based 6,000 megawatts (MW) power plant in Iran along with a 1,500 kilometres high voltage transmission link to carry power to India, the Hindustan Times newspaper reported on Monday.

The project is expected to cost about $10 billion, the report said.

"It is proposed that out of the power generated, 5,000 MW may be transmitted to India and balance 1,000 MW may be transmitted to Pakistan," the news report said, quoting unnamed officials.

Power producer NTPC Ltd (NTPC.BO) may be asked to build the project, the report added.

"We have held initial discussions on the project and are now waiting for the power ministry's advise on the matter," the newspaper quoted NTPC chairman R. S. Sharma as saying.

Power transmission firm Power Grid (PGRD.BO) is working out the financial and technical details for setting up a project, the paper said.

"We have already worked out two alternatives," the paper quoted Power Grid Chairman S K Chaturvedi as saying.

"One is the 1,500 km land route from Iran via Pakistan to Gujarat which will cost up to 200 billion rupees. And the other route is the 1,000 km sub-sea route, avoiding Pakistan. However, the sub-sea route is uneconomical and will cost almost double," Chaturvedi said.

The Power Grid chairman told Reuters his firm had forwarded a proposal on feasibility study to the power ministry last week.

"It is (building the power project and transmission lines) feasible. Now a call has to be taken by the ministry. This is a preliminary proposal. If the ministry permits, we are prepared to do it (set up transmission lines)," Chaturvedi told Reuters.

No immediate comment was available from NTPC. ($1 = 48.4 Indian Rupees) (Reporting by Nidhi Verma)
 

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India may build $5.1 bln power station in Iran - govt

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NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India may set up a 250 billion rupee ($5.1 billion) natural gas-fired power plant in Iran to generate at least 5,000 megawatts, Power Secretary H.S. Brahma said on Tuesday.
Energy-starved India, which imports 70 percent of the oil it consumes, has considered several options such as natural gas pipelines from Iran and Turkmenistan via Pakistan, but the proposals have not made much headway because of tension between New Delhi and Islamabad.
"There is a shortage of coal, shortage of gas in India. This (power plant) is viable," Brahma said on the sidelines of a business conference.
A smaller power station would not be viable as the power would be transmitted to India across a 1,000-km high-voltage transmission line.
"Our ambassador in Iran is trying his best for this. This is a proposal from the ministry of external affairs. A team from Iran is likely to visit India this year to explore the possibility of investing in India and vice versa."
On Monday, an Indian newspaper reported that the country may build a 6,000 MW power station in Iran.


India may build $5.1 bln power station in Iran - govt | Business News | Reuters
 

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India plans to build $5bn power plant in Iran

India plans to build $5bn power plant in Iran
IANS 25 August 2009, 03:57pm IST


NEW DELHI: State-owned power utility NTPC is planning to build a power plant in Iran worth $5 billion, power secretary HS Brahma said here on
Tuesday.

The plant will be able to generate at least 5,000 MW of power.

"A smaller power station will not be viable as the power will be transmitted to India across a 1,000-km high-voltage transmission line," Brahma said.

"This is a proposal from the ministry of external affairs. A team from Iran is likely to visit India this year to explore the possibility of investing in India and vice versa," Brahma told reporters on the sidelines of a business meet.

PowerGrid Corp of India will build transmission network, he said.

India plans to build $5bn power plant in Iran - India Business - Business - NEWS - The Times of India
 

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India plans to build $5bn power plant in Iran
IANS 25 August 2009, 03:57pm IST


NEW DELHI: State-owned power utility NTPC is planning to build a power plant in Iran worth $5 billion, power secretary HS Brahma said here on
Tuesday.

The plant will be able to generate at least 5,000 MW of power.

"A smaller power station will not be viable as the power will be transmitted to India across a 1,000-km high-voltage transmission line," Brahma said.

"This is a proposal from the ministry of external affairs. A team from Iran is likely to visit India this year to explore the possibility of investing in India and vice versa," Brahma told reporters on the sidelines of a business meet.

PowerGrid Corp of India will build transmission network, he said.

India plans to build $5bn power plant in Iran - India Business - Business - NEWS - The Times of India
so many risks i should say. we have problems building power plants in our own country because of shortage of power equipment producers etc. laying 1000km transmission line underwater is gonna be a challenge. and god knows how reliable its gonna be. if we can underwater power transmission line then why not underwater gas pipeline.
 
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http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZW20090801000015

Iran Might Export Gas To India Via Undersea Route- Official


Saturday, Aug 01, 2009

DUBAI (Zawya Dow Jones)--Iran might resort to an undersea route to export additional natural gas to India in the future, if Indian companies help develop the field the gas would come from, a senior Iranian energy official told Dow Jones Newswires recently.

"If in the future there is a need for any extra gas beyond what's been allocated for the (Iran-Pakistan-India, or IPI) Peace pipeline... and above the amount we've planned for possible exports to India, (we could do it) through the Peace pipeline or through an alternative deepwater pipeline route," deputy director for investment affairs at the National Iranian Oil Co., Hojatollah Ghanimifard, said in a phone interview.

"In that case, it would be based on the Persian Gulf Free on Board (FOB) price and partners from India would have to get involved in the upstream development of (whichever Persian Gulf gas field) the gas for that pipeline would come from," Ghanimifard added.

Iran and Pakistan formalized an agreement on the IPI pipeline in May after years of negotiations over the terms of the 'peace pipeline' deal between Iran, Pakistan and India.

The deal, in its original form, envisages pumping gas over 1,000 kilometers from Iran's southern gas fields to Pakistan and then on to India.

However, though India is welcome to join the project, the South Asian country has for the time being decided to steer clear of the project and is surveying the possibility of establishing an alternative route to transport gas from Assaluyeh through the Persian gulf to the Oman sea, towards India, according to senior Iranian gas officials.

"They are investigating which way is better, cheaper and secure. But in any case, both Pakistan and Iran are ready to accept India in the project," National Iranian Gas Exporting chief Seyyed Reza Kasaeizadeh told Dow Jones Newswires in June.

Ghanimifard said that he, Kasaeizadeh and other NIOC officials held talks with a private Indian company one month ago about a proposal for a new deepwater gas route, and told the firm that Iran for the time being can't allocate gas for a new pipeline beyond what's been allocated for the IPI route- although this could change in the future.

"We have responded to the private Indian company that at the moment we can't allocate any gas for a new (underwater) pipeline. Our research findings show that this route could also be more expensive," Ghanimifard said.

"(But) no final decisions have been made for this deep water route," he added.

- Roshanak Taghavi; Dow Jones Newswires; +98 919 106 4892; [email protected]

Copyright (c) 2009 Dow Jones & Co.

(END) Dow Jones Newswires
 

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