Discussion in 'Pakistan' started by Neo, Nov 8, 2015.
He's the only Pakistani to shoot down an Israeli Mirage in 1973.
He was flying a Mig-21
Quite lucid interview. ....................................................
How's that? He spoke quite modestly and didnt go in too many details. Told the story as it happened without false jingoism.
easily understood; completely intelligible or comprehensible:
a lucid explanation.
characterized by clear perception or understanding; rational or sane:
I could have simply call him and you out to prove his claims. Take it easy.
I am asking about your opinion of the interview, not the mening of lucid.
Military officeres usually tend to be bias or jingoistic.
If one need a good example of derailing its own thread then one must look at this one.
Don't try to run away for your poor inference of my first post which was actually positive for the video you posted. You quoted me back by writing a long sentence which has the same meaning i.e Lucid.
Poor inference is a hasty generalization. You should have read the meaning of Lucid before jumping to conclusion.
Calling Military officers usually bias and Jingoist is sweeping generalization. And on weekends I can not tolerate two fallacies in one thread.
Please continue with your good thread. I hope you will give more sources to prove the claims that Gentleman is attributing to his credit in that one sided interview.
So u mean he is not professional officer but (Bare ka Tattu) mercenary who can be used on rent for $$$$$
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Can you say how many Pakistani pilot involved in 1973 war .
How many pak pilot fly mig21 ?
How many mig21 distroyed in 1973?
No of Pakistani kill by israil in those MIGs ?
Debate should never be onsided
According to Alvi 16 PAF pilots volunteerd and were flown to Syria by a PAF C-130.
Eight of them were assigned to newly formed squadron 67A based at Damir AFB, other were sent to Egypt. Their task was air defence only and the sorties lasted about 30 minutes only due fuel restrictions. None of the Pakistani pilots was killed, all returned safely.
None of the Pakistani fighters were shot down?
No. All of them returned safely. Afaik israel never made such claims.
Pakistan attacked Israelites also Israel armed forces and consider it of value and announce it with sense of accomplishment.
I say again pakistan has no idea what it is doing and being enemy of both India and israel. Stupid. And USA support of Pakistan equal to each Paki saying death to Israel and India. What is USA doing allowing and giving space to such to do ... It only provides example for others later to say ... Pakistan was allowed why not them !!
Pakistan was founded on anti India principle. But it is behaving on anti-israel policy more and more and many are seeing pakistan being allowed to do this by USA. And I am not one to believe for one moment USA is that stupid. Pakistan better be careful and think ...
Did you even watch the interview? PAF pilots volunteered to support the Arabs. Islamabad did not declare war on Israel.
Is there any independent verification of claims ??
If Pakistani pilots were shot down by Israeli's, you'd find thousands of links or refs to literature. It would have been a great PR for IDAF, but it was not the case.
Yom Kippur War - 1973
The PAF was active again in the Middle East sector after about 6 years. The PAF contingent deployed at Inchas Air Base (Egypt) was led by Wg.Cmdr. Masood Hatif and five other pilots plus two air defence controllers.
During this war, Flt.Lt Sattar Alvi was decorated by the Syrian goverment when he shot down an Israeli Mirage over Golan Heights. On 26 April, 1974, in an encounter over Golan Heights between a Mig-21 of the Syrian Air Force, flown by Flight Lieutenant Sattar Alvi, PAF, and two Israeli Mirages. An added feature of this engagement was that the Air Defence Controller, Sqn Ldr Saleem Metla was also a Pakistani. While leading a Mig-21 patrol along the border, Sqn Ldr Arif Manzoor, also of the PAF was apprised of the presence of two Israeli Phantom aircraft and was cautioned that these could be decoys while two other fast tracks approaching from the opposite direction might be the real threat. The latter turned out to be Mirages and a moment later Alvi, in Arif's formation saw the No 2 Mirage breaking towards him. All this time, heavy radio jamming by Israeli ground stations was making things difficult but the Pakistani pilots were used to such tactics. Sattar forced the Israeli pair into close combat, firing his K-13 missile at the first opportunity. The Israeli wingman's Mirage exploded into a ball of fire, while the leader quickly disengaged.
first of all your spelling is wrong and u r too. They don't volunteered but took part for arab money. your PAF pilot were mercenaries.
why dont your brave PAF pilots fight in syria now. islam khatre me ha in syria????
Those pilots what did they do after they volunteered to fight against Israel and shot down and exploded Israelites jets. Did they go to Casablanca - did they return and join the air force.
How many pilots were there before 1970s for PAF. In percentiles how many went to fight against Israel. Even small numbers in percentile was a lot for PAF at those times. The training and value of PAF pilots - there is authorisation and approval from Paki government since lots of money and time involved in training. The government of pakistan also would not have been clueless to have no knowledge of seeing its trained armed forces go fight against the Israelites. Also use of resources. On top of that the legacy it provides for later that pakistan did what it did and for others to ask and request in future against Israel (now that paki has nukes - apparently)
Not sure volunteer is right word and not even non-state actor (using such words implies pakistan under no administrative control and failed area). I think right word is approved armed personal. And seems pakis is wanting to be a screwdriver but afraid of being screwed by result. Only have themselves to blame for policy without thought. Stupid.
Yes Pakistani pilots did participated in those wars... but what I am looking for an independent confirmations on what they claims and that can be Americans or Europeans...
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