Intelligence agencies want freedom from bureaucrats

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    Intelligence agencies want freedom from bureaucrats; Government reluctant

    The top two intelligence agencies in the country are attempting to get free from the clutches of over-layered bureaucracy.

    The RAW and the IB have conveyed to the Centre that they should be empowered to hire skilled professionals in specific areas by offering competitive packages as the number of such experts is diminishing in the outfits.

    Sources said a proposal to extend the flexible complementing scheme (FCS) to both the IB and the RAW was approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security way back in 2001, but it could not be implemented due to ‘babudom’ plaguing the system. The FCS allows promotion or upgradation of scientists after evaluation of their knowledge in a particular field.

    However, the struggle of the top secret agencies in retaining the talents is not finding an echo in the Ministry of Personnel which is treating it like any other government employment exercise saying the proposal is under review. “It maintained that the agencies do not figure in the list of scientific departments like the DRDO, AERB or ISRO, hence a thorough review is required to decide on such a request. They are also reluctant to offer it to Aviation research Centre of RAW which requires specific talents for air reconnaissance. If accepted, this will help at least a certain section of cadre in the agencies doing specialised job,” sources said.

    The agencies in correspondence with the government in December last year have also asked for special incentives for the personnel to maintain the high working morale.

    Contending the difficult nature of job and restricted fundamental rights under Intelligence Organisations (restricted rights) Act 1985, the proposal said the spies are working under stressful condition which takes a toll on their physical and mental health. It also said the sacrifice of spies goes unwept and unsung.

    In the communique, agencies have suggested that government should increase the deputation allowance to 30 per cent of the basic pay scale. The IB is facing the shortage of over 8,000 skilled professionals. Against the sanctioned strength of 26,867 personnel, only 18,795 are available with the IB. Sources said despite several proposals and letters seeking more operational and financial powers, government is reluctant to grant the wish.

    It is learnt that the agency have conveyed that existing procedures delays the urgent requirements thus hampering the operational activities. “The function of a spy agency is different from other government departments and it cannot be made to work in fixed bureaucratic format,” sources argued.

    External spy agency RAW has strength of around 9,000 officers including the talents on deputation. Sources said RAW is losing the charm because of work culture. “Three years fixed foreign posting is the only charm for the employees working with the agency. Nobody wants to come on deputation from outside unless he or she feels that it will provide boost to their career,” sources said.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    They should be free of the bureaucrats, but accountable to a Select Committee of the Parliament.
     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    Sir, we couldn't even get the JCOS idea going... Rumor is that the chiefs themselves do not want that.

    Ideally, IMHO, RAW should report to JCOS and IB to Select Committee of the Parliament.

     
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    what should we do to get into raw
     
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    Field or technical?

     
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    interested in officer cadre.would fell happy if you explain all three
     
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    If you have an interest towards joining this department, you need to be a graduate. You can take graduation in any discipline. You need to attend the entrance examination which is mainly conducted by the SSC. RAW is a Research and analysis wing. Before that you have to appear for the Civil service exam and clear all the stages. Then you are eligible to apply for appearing for the RAW exam.

    Initially, RAW relied primarily on trained intelligence officers who were recruited directly. These belonged to the external wing of the Intelligence Bureau. In times of great expansion, many candidates were taken from the military, police and other service, Later, RAW began directly recruiting graduates from universities. Today RAW has its own service cadre, the RAW allied service RAS to absorb talent. Recruitment is mostly by deputation from Armes Forces or Civil Service officers. The Civil and defense Service Officers permanently resign their cadre and join the RAS. However, according to recent reports, officers can return to their parent cadre after serving a specific period in the agency if they wish to. Most of the Directors ahve been officers from the IPS. Recruitment in RAW is taken in the name of NATI (National aptitude Test in Intelligence) followed by personality and psychological test and interviews. delhi based security think tank institute for defence studies and Analyses hoted in one of its reports that RAW suffered from the "tail-end syndrome" where the "bottom of the entrance lists" of those appearing for the UPSC examinations were offered jobs.

    On other hands,
    RAW doesn't recruit directly it pick candidates from Army,police or other forces basically, but it also recruit from general public, eg: universities, corporate houses etc. RAW approach after keeping an eye on the suitable candidate and then offer a job. there is no way you can directly approach RAW, they have no website or info of any type on net, if they like you they will come to you.

     
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    Not understood.

    What JCOs?
     
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    India Needs a Joint Chiefs | The Diplomat
     
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    India's intelligence community is divided into a traditional structure that separates military and civilian, and foreign and domestic intelligence. Though each agency is charged with its own mission, the government has provided a means to facilitate the sharing of information between members of the intelligence community. The Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) processes and analyzes data gathered by both civilian and military intelligence agencies and coordinates joint operations. The National Security Council acts as liaison between the government's executive branch and the intelligence services, advising leadership on intelligence and security issues

    The main civilian intelligence agency in India is the Intelligence Bureau (IB). The IB focuses on domestic intelligence, but the exact structure and operations of the agency are largely unknown. Political espionage is illegal in India, and police gathered wiretapping information is inadmissible as evidence in court proceedings. However, the IB conducts regular electronic monitoring of telephone communications, and mail surveillance, despite occasional admonitions from Parliament. The Central Bureau of Investigations handles most criminal investigations, often acting on initial information provided by one of the IB's many departments. Increasing political tensions with neighboring Pakistan altered the focus of IB operations in recent years, with increasing attention paid to the protection and surveillance of national borders.

    The Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) is India's primary agency responsible for foreign intelligence. RAW operations are largely focused on espionage against Pakistan. With the addition of both India and Pakistan to the growing cadre of the world's nuclear powers, India's RAW conducts counter-intelligence operations, as well as technological and remote espionage, against Pakistani defense and military interests. The RAW is not subject to Parliamentary review, and its actions are highly secret.

    Most recently, the RAW aided international antiterrorism efforts by providing the United States and British governments information on the al-Qaeda terrorist network and its strongholds in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    Military intelligence is conducted by the Army Directorate of Military Intelligence. The agency is the weakest of India's intelligence community, but often aids civilian intelligence operations. The Army also maintains the Joint Cipher Bureau, the main code breaking department of Indian intelligence.

    the only agencies are used as tools by our bafoons is CBI mostly and less likely IB rest of them are fine in my opinion
     
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    Forget the intelligence agencies... I believe the entire nation wants freedom for these minions
     
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    amount darn time the intelligence agencies said this !
     

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