INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

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TRICHY ASSAULT RIFLE ACCEPTED BY CRPF!

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The Trichy Assault Rifle (TAF) designed in-house at Ordnance Factory, Tiruchi (OFT), and developed to match specifications of AK47 has passed the quality test for use by paramilitary forces, sources in the OFT said here on Friday.

The approval of the weapon by the CRPF in New Delhi has brought immense relief to OFT employees. Acceptance of TAF by paramilitary and military forces has been a long-pending demand of the employee unions who were prepared to rectify the shortcomings pointed out by the Army.

The first lot of TAF was handed over to the Chhattisgarh police earlier this year. Thereafter, OFT received orders for AK-47 from police departments from a few States that were fighting insurgency, and production and assembly lines were established for mass production.

However, employee unions were keen on having a steady stream of supply of the weapon to CRPF and other elite forces, including CISF and BSF.

Procurement problems

It was because the State governments that had procured the weapon for their police forces had problems with making payments, according to C. Srikumar, general secretary, All India Defence Employees Federation (AIDEF).

Approval of the weapon by paramilitary forces will, in all probability, pave the way for its supply to the Army as well, Mr. Srikumar pointed out.

Approval of TAF is a shot in the arm for the employee unions that had been expressing concern over the decline in manpower at the OFT. Manpower had declined to around 2,000 from about 3,500 10 years ago, V.Balachandran, national executive member of the AIDEF, said.

The development comes in the backdrop of AIDEF and two other employee unions: INDWF and BPMS which together represent the cause of four lakh employees in 41 ordnance factories in the country, opposing import of AK-47 rifle, and assailing the Centre's move for introduction of public-private-partnership model.

The OFT had to upgrade its product offerings a few years ago in the wake of the shift of Army and Central armed paramilitary forces towards 7.62 mm calibre rifles with automatic firing, so as to incapacitate and kill the enemy in counter-insurgency operations with higher probability. The TAF was manufactured in three variants — fixed butt, side foldable butt and under folding.

It can be fired in single shot, automatic and burst fire mode.

In automatic mode, it fires 600 rounds per minute, as per the technical specification."
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...assault-rifle-after-tests/article19937479.ece
 

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Regarding the topic :



From 2015-2016 annual report ..
Successful trial of dhanush? Wasn't it a failure?

Is the above pointers trustworthy? Of course, TAR is not really a high end technology and perfectly possible for our OFB, the success of dhanush adds some amount of suspicion. Either media is wrong (as usual) or some mistake in the pointers
 

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When was Dhanush a failure?

I recall a barrel burst during "extended trials" (all weather trials done succesfully and then these new intense trials) but it was stil unclear if ammo or barrel was the culprit. I believe process is still on and Dhanush hasnt been junked

Even the M777 had a burst due to ammo but i dont recall it being failed
 

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Successful trial of dhanush? Wasn't it a failure?

Is the above pointers trustworthy? Of course, TAR is not really a high end technology and perfectly possible for our OFB, the success of dhanush adds some amount of suspicion. Either media is wrong (as usual) or some mistake in the pointers
If According to you Dhanush was failure then by that logic m777 is a failure too.
I think both the barrels burst due faulty ammo.
 

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Army gets Rs 40,000 crore weapon boost to counter China, Pakistan
The Indian Army has finalised one of its biggest procurement plans for infantry modernization worth Rs 40,000 crore.
Under the new modernization plan, a large number of light machine guns, battle carbines and assault rifles will be purchased and the estimated cost has been pegged at Rs 40,000 crore, reports news agency PTI.

According to the report, the army plans to acquire around 7 lakh rifles, 44,000 light machine guns (LMGs) and nearly 44,600 carbine auto rifles. The process has not only been finalised by the army but has been approved by the defence ministry as well.

The world's second largest standing Army has been pressing for fast-tracking the procurement of various weapons systems considering the evolving security threats including along India's borders with Pakistan and China. The development comes after US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said the US will provide India with state-of-the-art weapons.

Apart from kick-starting the procurement process, the government has also sent a message to the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to expedite its work on various small arms, particularly on an LMG.

The sources said a fresh RFI (request for information) to procure the LMGs will be issued in the next few days, months after the defence ministry scrapped the tender for the 7.62 calibre guns as there was only one vendor left after a series of field trials.

The plan is to initially procure around 10,000 LMGs. The Army has also finalised the specifications for a new 7.62 mm assault rifle and the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), the defence ministry's highest decision making body on procurement, is expected to give the go-ahead for the much- needed procurement soon.

"The General Service Quality Requirements (GSQR) for the new assault rifle has been finalised. The procurement plan will soon be placed before the DAC for approval," said a senior official, who is part of the acquisition process.

In June, the Army had rejected an assault rifle built by the state-run Rifle Factory, Ishapore, after the guns miserably failed the firing tests.


The procurement of assault rifles has witnessed significant delays due to a variety of reasons including the Army's failure to finalise the specifications for it.

The Army needs around 7 lakh 7.62x51 mm assault guns to replace its INSAS rifles. The Army had issued RFI for the rifles in September last year and around 20 firms responded to it.

An RFI is a process whose purpose is to collect information about capabilities of various vendors. In June, the Army had kick-started the initial process to procure around 44,600 carbines, nearly eight months after a tender for it was retracted, also due to a single-vendor situation.

Around half a dozen firms including a few global arms manufacturers have responded to the RFI. Army sources said various specifications for the LMGs and battle carbines were tweaked to ensure that the problem of the single vendor does not recur.

The combined cost of the LMGs, assault rifles and carbines will be in excess of Rs 40,000 crore, said an official. On DRDO missing a number of deadlines in finalising the LMG, an official said the defence secretary has called a meeting this week of all stakeholders to discuss the project.

"The infantry modernisation plan is a major initiative of the Army and it will significantly bolster the overall capability of the foot soldiers," said a senior army official.

The issue was extensively discussed at the recently- concluded Army Commanders conference which felt modernisation of the Army must be in tune with the evolving security threat facing the country.

Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman conveyed to the Army during the conference that modernisation of the force was a priority for the government and all its "deficiencies" will be addressed to strengthen its combat capability.

http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=444189
 

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Indian Army must finish trials in 6 month's time. I hope Indian Army tweaked some requirements for assault rifle, light machine guns and carbines in RFI. So that single vendor situation does not recur.
 
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Paid article at its best ....

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In June, the Army had rejected an assault rifle built by the state-run Rifle Factory, Ishapore, after the guns miserably failed the firing tests.
Army had kick-started the initial process to procure around 44,600 carbines, nearly eight months after a tender for it was retracted, also due to a single-vendor situation.
On DRDO missing a number of deadlines in finalising the LMG, an official said the defence secretary has called a meeting this week of all stakeholders to discuss the project.
 

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Paid article at its best ....

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So ofb rifle did not fail actually it passed trials in first round. Army had asked for some adjustments before going for another trial. So why negative articles keeps coming out likes this can't government regulate the this media outlet.
 
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I don`t want this thread get distracted, Paid article will be always there, without their black propaganda dalals cannot sell their apples ..

Now, Lets back on topic of INSAS family of firearms ..
 

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I don`t want this thread get distracted, Paid article will be always there, without their black propaganda dalals cannot sell their apples ..

Now, Lets back on topic of INSAS family of firearms ..
well said brother, just joined forum because i was fed up with the paid articles which were same appearing on all websites of defence news
 

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So ofb rifle did not fail actually it passed trials in first round. Army had asked for some adjustments before going for another trial. So why negative articles keeps coming out likes this can't government regulate the this media outlet.
This is the literal definition of libel, if DPSUs were allowed to they could easily sue these foreign arms propoganda outlets.
 

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This is probably off-topic, but in the wider perspective when discussing about OFB and small arms manufacture, this is an excellent video which provides a sneak peek inside american ordnance factories around the time of WW1.

 

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