INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

[WolfPack86]

Does govt has any time line for INS Vishal.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian Navy plans to acquire its third Aircraft Carrier for whopping Rs 1.6 lakh crores
The Indian Navy is moving ahead with a big-ticket proposal for acquiring its third aircraft carrier which is expected to cost around Rs 1.6 lakh crore along with the additional component of 57 fighter aircraft.

The Navy has one operational aircraft carrier in the INS Vikramaditya while another one, INS Vikrant, is under construction at the Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) and is expected to join service in the next few years.

“The Navy is planning to field its Rs 70,000 crore proposal before the defence ministry in near future which will cost around Rs 1.6 lakh crore at the approval stage itself along with the fighter plane component and the actual costs will go higher further as the programme moves ahead,” government sources told Mail Today.

The Navy has plans of buying 57 twin-engine fighter planes for the third aircraft carrier for which American F-18 and French Dassault Rafale are in the race.

“If one goes by the cost of the 36 Rafales acquired for the Air Force, the 57 planes are not going to cost us less than Rs 90,000-95,000 crore,” the sources said.

Citing the Chinese threat, the Navy had been asking for construction of the third nuclearpowered aircraft carrier using American technology and systems which is going to be far more expensive in comparison with the existing systems.

The Navy has been arguing that it should have one aircraft carrier each for the eastern and western sea boards with one aircraft carrier in reserve to take care of the time taken for refit and repair of any of the two carriers.

However, the defence ministry is not very keen on the project due to the high costs involved in it and it would force the government to change its acquisition plans for the coming years compelling it to wait list a number of other urgently required weapon systems of the Army and the Air Force, sources said.

The cost of equipment for the aircraft carrier take-off patented by an American private sector firm will also be a major factor in determining the final cost of the carrier for India, the sources said.

For buying the aircraft for the aircraft carrier, the Navy had floated a request for information (RFI) but it has not got any clearance from the defence ministry for issuing the tender for the project.

However, the Navy has already allowed the vendors to give it a presentation on whether their planes would be able to take off from the Russian-origin INS Vikramaditya or not. Defence ministry sources also said the need for further expanding the aircraft carrier fleet needs to be thought over again as all targets and routes in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) can be looked after well by the existing assets and bases in the area.

Due to this reason, the defence ministry had refused to clear the five-year programme of the Navy as agreeing to it would required at least doubling the current acquisition budget of the ministry.

The government of India already spends 28 per cent of its total acquisition budget on fulfilling the requirements of the three services and increasing it to a higher level does not seem possible in the near future, sources said.
http://defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=525787

 

[Kshithij]

Indian Navy plans to acquire its third Aircraft Carrier for whopping Rs 1.6 lakh crores
The Indian Navy is moving ahead with a big-ticket proposal for acquiring its third aircraft carrier which is expected to cost around Rs 1.6 lakh crore along with the additional component of 57 fighter aircraft.

The Navy has one operational aircraft carrier in the INS Vikramaditya while another one, INS Vikrant, is under construction at the Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) and is expected to join service in the next few years.

“The Navy is planning to field its Rs 70,000 crore proposal before the defence ministry in near future which will cost around Rs 1.6 lakh crore at the approval stage itself along with the fighter plane component and the actual costs will go higher further as the programme moves ahead,” government sources told Mail Today.

The Navy has plans of buying 57 twin-engine fighter planes for the third aircraft carrier for which American F-18 and French Dassault Rafale are in the race.

“If one goes by the cost of the 36 Rafales acquired for the Air Force, the 57 planes are not going to cost us less than Rs 90,000-95,000 crore,” the sources said.

Citing the Chinese threat, the Navy had been asking for construction of the third nuclearpowered aircraft carrier using American technology and systems which is going to be far more expensive in comparison with the existing systems.

The Navy has been arguing that it should have one aircraft carrier each for the eastern and western sea boards with one aircraft carrier in reserve to take care of the time taken for refit and repair of any of the two carriers.

However, the defence ministry is not very keen on the project due to the high costs involved in it and it would force the government to change its acquisition plans for the coming years compelling it to wait list a number of other urgently required weapon systems of the Army and the Air Force, sources said.

The cost of equipment for the aircraft carrier take-off patented by an American private sector firm will also be a major factor in determining the final cost of the carrier for India, the sources said.

For buying the aircraft for the aircraft carrier, the Navy had floated a request for information (RFI) but it has not got any clearance from the defence ministry for issuing the tender for the project.

However, the Navy has already allowed the vendors to give it a presentation on whether their planes would be able to take off from the Russian-origin INS Vikramaditya or not. Defence ministry sources also said the need for further expanding the aircraft carrier fleet needs to be thought over again as all targets and routes in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) can be looked after well by the existing assets and bases in the area.

Due to this reason, the defence ministry had refused to clear the five-year programme of the Navy as agreeing to it would required at least doubling the current acquisition budget of the ministry.

The government of India already spends 28 per cent of its total acquisition budget on fulfilling the requirements of the three services and increasing it to a higher level does not seem possible in the near future, sources said.
http://defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=525787

Fake news. No country has ever spent 25billion dollars on a carrier till today including USA. This increase of cost by 10 times over IAC-1 shows serious fake news activity. The 57 planes don't take 1lakh crore nor does a carrier take 60k crore to make, that too in India. Even the Ford class carrier took 8 billion dollars (50k crore rupees) for 1lakh ton weight. Also, there is little reason to buy fighters worth 1lakh crore if that is an impediment to cost. The rafales can come at 90 million a piece without offset or integration as that have been taken care of already. Else, LCA Mk2 and MiG29 are always available to lower the cost significantly to 2-2.5 billion dollars or 13-18k crore. Taking UK carrier cost of 4 billion dollars, Indian total cost will be 6 billion dolalrs

 

[VIP]

Indian Navy plans to acquire its third Aircraft Carrier for whopping Rs 1.6 lakh crores
The Indian Navy is moving ahead with a big-ticket proposal for acquiring its third aircraft carrier which is expected to cost around Rs 1.6 lakh crore along with the additional component of 57 fighter aircraft.

The Navy has one operational aircraft carrier in the INS Vikramaditya while another one, INS Vikrant, is under construction at the Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) and is expected to join service in the next few years.

“The Navy is planning to field its Rs 70,000 crore proposal before the defence ministry in near future which will cost around Rs 1.6 lakh crore at the approval stage itself along with the fighter plane component and the actual costs will go higher further as the programme moves ahead,” government sources told Mail Today.

The Navy has plans of buying 57 twin-engine fighter planes for the third aircraft carrier for which American F-18 and French Dassault Rafale are in the race.

“If one goes by the cost of the 36 Rafales acquired for the Air Force, the 57 planes are not going to cost us less than Rs 90,000-95,000 crore,” the sources said.

Citing the Chinese threat, the Navy had been asking for construction of the third nuclearpowered aircraft carrier using American technology and systems which is going to be far more expensive in comparison with the existing systems.

The Navy has been arguing that it should have one aircraft carrier each for the eastern and western sea boards with one aircraft carrier in reserve to take care of the time taken for refit and repair of any of the two carriers.

However, the defence ministry is not very keen on the project due to the high costs involved in it and it would force the government to change its acquisition plans for the coming years compelling it to wait list a number of other urgently required weapon systems of the Army and the Air Force, sources said.

The cost of equipment for the aircraft carrier take-off patented by an American private sector firm will also be a major factor in determining the final cost of the carrier for India, the sources said.

For buying the aircraft for the aircraft carrier, the Navy had floated a request for information (RFI) but it has not got any clearance from the defence ministry for issuing the tender for the project.

However, the Navy has already allowed the vendors to give it a presentation on whether their planes would be able to take off from the Russian-origin INS Vikramaditya or not. Defence ministry sources also said the need for further expanding the aircraft carrier fleet needs to be thought over again as all targets and routes in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) can be looked after well by the existing assets and bases in the area.

Due to this reason, the defence ministry had refused to clear the five-year programme of the Navy as agreeing to it would required at least doubling the current acquisition budget of the ministry.

The government of India already spends 28 per cent of its total acquisition budget on fulfilling the requirements of the three services and increasing it to a higher level does not seem possible in the near future, sources said.
http://defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=525787

Defencenews is a fanboi site reproducing articles again and again time to time. Just read the 2nd half of the article which states that govt is not willing to go ahead with 5 years plan produced by Navy.

 

[Kshithij]

Defencenews is a fanboi site reproducing articles again and again time to time. Just read the 2nd half of the article which states that govt is not willing to go ahead with 5 years plan produced by Navy.

It is India today article. Defencenews is just a copy paste portal

 

[abingdonboy]

IAC-2 shown during IN’s R day parade float

 

[shiphone]

so called PA2/CVF project

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/france-steaming-ahead-on-pa2cvf-carrier-project-01621/

-------
the short term 'cooperation ' in around 2006-2008

 

[Filtercoffee]

IAC-2 shown during IN’s R day parade float

...............................Isn't that a french carrier? God forbid some other type of fighter needs to be scrambled.

 

[captscooby81]

So as per CNS Lanba IAC 2 will be CATOBAR with possible EMALS system ..Lets just hope Donald duck don t change his mind and push us out of FMS level defence partner to something low ..

 

[Kshithij]

So as per CNS Lanba IAC 2 will be CATOBAR with possible EMALS system ..Lets just hope Donald duck don t change his mind and push us out of FMS level defence partner to something low ..

CATOBAR is just steam based EMALS. EMALS is electric motor based CATOBAR. The performance of CATOBAR is good enough for India. Also, it is a simple technology. easy to maintain, repair and build. I would not be unhappy at CATOBAR based IAC-2

 

[indiandefencefan]

CATOBAR is just steam based EMALS. EMALS is electric motor based CATOBAR. The performance of CATOBAR is good enough for India. Also, it is a simple technology. easy to maintain, repair and build. I would not be unhappy at CATOBAR based IAC-2

The problem with conventional CATOBAR (apart from performance) for India is the the Americans use the steam generated by the onboard nuclear reactors to operate the catapult.

Since IAC 2 will be conventionally powered, generating steam will be very difficult.

On the other hand, electricity to power EMALS will be more efficient as the diesel electric engines will take care of that.

 

[Kshithij]

The problem with conventional CATOBAR (apart from performance) for India is the the Americans use the steam generated by the onboard nuclear reactors to operate the catapult.

Since IAC 2 will be conventionally powered, generating steam will be very difficult.

On the other hand, electricity to power EMALS will be more efficient as the diesel electric engines will take care of that.

It is the other way around. The nuclear power is what generates the electricity needed for the EMALS. The steam is generated even by boiler engines. Today's modern diesel engines may not produce steam but they can also be rigged to divert the energy wasted into producing steam. The steam does not necessarily come from the propulsion or electric generation system. This was used in 1950s and in non-nuclear power.

 

[shiphone]

lol...The naval nuclear power propulsion also generates steam FIRST....

young Indian...please...

LOL... essentially the CVN/SSN is also steam tubine driven, the difference between the Conventional powered and Nuclear Powered large tonnage Heavy Carrier is : where the steam comes from? -- the heavy oil-burning boiler or the Nuclear Reactor

Naval nuclear power Propulsion for the ships...
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[Hari Sud]

Vikramaditya is steam based planes launched and so are the Chinese Carriers. Only Americans are nuclear based Catobar. So why is nuclear power on the carrier is an issue.

 

[Kshithij]

The steam by heavy oil burning boiler was older times. Now, it is replaced with diesel engines. So, the steam generation is not so straightforward

lol...The naval nuclear power propulsion also generates steam FIRST....

young Indian...please...

 

[porky_kicker]

Sorry Wrong thread...................

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

lol...The naval nuclear power propulsion also generates steam FIRST....

young Indian...please...

Chingchonng pINGPONG............................................

Nuclear

Fission -> Coolant/Heavy Water -> Steam -> Turbine -> Dynamo -> Transformer -> Transmision -> Gearset

CODAG/COGAG

Combustion -> Transmision -> Gearset

 

[Kshithij]

Chingchonng pINGPONG............................................

Nuclear

Fission -> Coolant/Heavy Water -> Steam -> Turbine -> Dynamo -> Transformer -> Transmision -> Gearset

CODAG/COGAG

Combustion -> Transmision -> Gearset

Wrong...

Nuclear goes this way:
Fission -> Coolant ->steam -> Turbine -> Transmission -> Gearset
|-->Dynamo ->Electricity

CODAG goes this way:
Combustion ->Piston ->Transmission -> Gearset

Secondary generator combustion -> Piston -> Dynamo -> Transformer

CODAG has auxiliary power generator which is an extra space wastage. Nuclear power also generates much more power while saving a lot of storage space for thousands of tons of fuel.

 

[Manish Khan]

I dont see any official confirmation that the next AC would be Christened as VISHAL.

the same point,i was wondering where this sort of information come from?

 

[WolfPack86]

INS Vishal program stalled once again.

The Indian Navy’s longstanding plan to build and commission its second indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC-2) into service by 2030–32 has been further postponed due to steadily declining budgets, technological hurdles, and, above all, enduring delays by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) in approving the programme.

The proposed 65,000–70,000 tonne conventionally powered ‘flat top’ carrier – tentatively named Vishal – capable of embarking 50–60 fixed- and rotary-wing platforms, attaining speeds of up to 30 kt, and projected to cost INR800–900 billion (USD11.65–13 billion) – is part of the IN’s Maritime Capability Perspective Plan (MCPP).

First announced in 2005 and later updated for the 15-year period until 2027, the MCPP envisages the IN fielding three carrier battle groups (CBGs): one for each seaboard and one in reserve.
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