INS Aridaman: India begins work on 2nd nuclear submarine

[noob101]

There is only one line for nuke sub while there are two for Scorpene. More will be built. There is one line for building subs in Hazira and the entire thing is assembled in Vizag. It takes three years for the assembly at Vizag, so we can see one sub launched every three years.

IN is looking at a mix of SSNs and SSBNs. I guess one more assembly line may be created for the nuke subs.

Correct me if I am wrong but there are 2 lines for nuclear submarines in India, 1) L&T gujarat 2) HSL vizag.... i remember reading a news story where ATV was started in a low key event, Initally there was almost no media coverage on this event... If i am right then I think that we can look forward to 2 nucIear subs every 3 years...I will search for the article and post it:

Edit: It appers that there is only one line for nuclear submarines.... L&T fabricates the hulls and HSL does the rest of the work

so at the rate of 1 boat every 3 years we could have 6 new ATV and follow ons plus Arihant, ATV2 and the 2 Akulas. 10 boats not bad...

 

[p2prada]

The hull is fabricated in Hazira and there is a lot of integration work, engines and electronics, that happens here. The reactor is integrated in Vizag and the submarine built in modules is assembled there. There is technically only 1 assembly line.

 

[sayareakd]

P2P is right in above post hope they will reduce the time and make it 1 sub a year production time.

 

[Nirvana]

So already 2 more on line for Launch - this will make way for More follow on SSBN's

I Hope we also go for SSN/SSGN Derivative of Arihant and form a Production line Parallel with SSBN - It was already on cards but Sanction during 90's Led to cancelling i guess and thus the Leasing of Akula

I Wish they go ahead with plan for Indigenous SSN Now :thumb:

 

[ash2win]

Why there is no word of nuclear attack subs?
Any news on second Akula class sub from russia ?

 

[Twinblade]

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Coz we want to move towards an all nuclear sub force in the future and concentrate on it. The conventional subs are temporary buys. We are looking to develop SSGN and SSBN.

Umm.. what about Project 76 that is supposed to merge the technologies of Project 75A and Project 75I ? That project isn't dead for sure, if it had been so, DRDO wouldn't be working on AIP technologies now. For a real blue water navy, nuclear submarines provide a global reach and an endurance for deployments lasting several months, be it for launching wars across continents, nuclear deterrent, or escorting Carrier groups. The biggest killer of conventional submarines was rarely the operational acoustics, but rather the noise generated while surfacing and charging the batteries which exposed them. In fact, in several NATO exercises, the biggest threat to USN carriers has been created by conventional subs rather than french and british attack boats.

The Arihant class is our first submarine design. It might not have the most advanced acoustic reduction techniques on board, nor might be as operationally efficient (in terms of man power requirements, sea endurance or safety) but it is necessary to provide the nuclear deterrence which nobody will sell to us. Meanwhile we license build the best of what is available to us and develop a top notch class of conventional subs later on.

 

[noob101]

^^^^ if P76 isnt dead then where the hell is the navy getting all this money from, people keep saying that the navy is the least funded of the 3 services but it seems to me that the navy has a hand in every defense project in India.... IN funded Naval Dhruv (That they knew from the start would be a failure), naval LCA (useless in my opinion when better options are out there), IAC 1 & 2, P 17, P17A , P15, P15A, 8 Landing craft, P 28 corvets, AIP system for the P 76, Arihant class. these above are just designs are for which the navy has paid for.... plus all the other aqusitions that the navy is making Vikramadytia, 12 P8I, 3 Talwars, RFI sent for 8 MRMA, 2 different RFI for naval helos totaling more than 130, some 80 interceptor boats,,, Really where is the Navy getting all this money from?

 

[sayareakd]

^^^^ if P76 isnt dead then where the hell is the navy getting all this money from, people keep saying that the navy is the least funded of the 3 services but it seems to me that the navy has a hand in every defense project in India.... IN funded Naval Dhruv (That they knew from the start would be a failure), naval LCA (useless in my opinion when better options are out there), IAC 1 & 2, P 17, P17A , P15, P15A, 8 Landing craft, P 28 corvets, AIP system for the P 76, Arihant class. these above are just designs are for which the navy has paid for.... plus all the other aqusitions that the navy is making Vikramadytia, 12 P8I, 3 Talwars, RFI sent for 8 MRMA, 2 different RFI for naval helos totaling more than 130, some 80 interceptor boats,,, Really where is the Navy getting all this money from?

At least navy is putting in money for its project, please remember navy is capital intensive. Look at army its tanks are night blind, still thinking about artillery gun, etc, look at IAF MRCA is never ending story, we are looking at basic trainer.

Some say if you have good product Navy will come looking at you, while for IA they say even if you have good product and you approached them they will say get lost.

 

[noob101]

At least navy is putting in money for its project, please remember navy is capital intensive. Look at army its tanks are night blind, still thinking about artillery gun, etc, look at IAF MRCA is never ending story, we are looking at basic trainer.

Some say if you have good product Navy will come looking at you, while for IA they say even if you have good product and you approached them they will say get lost.

I agree with you.... I am a huge fan of the IN as they seem to be the most streamlined of the 3 services... but the navy has been known to support some junk projects in the past, not as expensive as the army or air force.... But i guess the navy is taking one step back and two steps forward unlike the other two that take two steps back and two steps forward

 

[nrj]

Too early to say if we won't have conventional diesel subs in future. It will take minimum 4-5yrs to generate report of arihant class nuclear sub's performance.

 

[Galaxy]

Until & Unless we don't test & induct K-4,5 Arihant class SSBN will be under-development phase only. K-15 is not enough for deterrence against China.

Most likely, It will take another 5-6 years when we will operate 2 SSBN with K-4/5 Missiles.

 

[noob101]

Until & Unless we don't test & induct K-4,5 Arihant class SSBN will be under-development phase only. K-15 is not enough for deterrence against China.

Most likely, It will take another 5-6 years when we will operate 2 SSBN with K-4/5 Missiles.

The Arihant is more like a tech demonstrator including its weapons systems, I doubt its real strategic use against China and less use against Pakistan than it is made out to be. I think that it would be a more effective as a tactical platform as a SSGN/SSN, either against china or Pakistan.
we do need better missiles along with them we need a bigger and better subs I am sure that the follow on subs will have larger and more number of tubes that will be able to accommodate longer range missiles... once details about the ATV2 are released we will see where the IN is headed in SSBN development, I think once we reach subs with 10 tubes we can say that they are credible deterants

 

[Galaxy]

^^^

I agree. Still long way to go. But at least we are on track and in next few years, we will achieve our goal.

I don't think no. of tubes will make big difference. What matter most is K-4,5 (MiRV) which will take another 4-5 years.

 

[Tshering22]

Some say if you have good product Navy will come looking at you, while for IA they say even if you have good product and you approached them they will say get lost.

That is simply because Army has been infiltrated by corrupted generals and senior staff who find the top spots and shoddy deals as a good source to earn fat incomes. They don't give a damn about national security. There has to be a mass purge in the services top brass by someone genuine and of authority to change that.

 

[sayareakd]

who knows K 15 would mean KM 1500 and K 4 means KM 4000 rage missile.

 

[Galaxy]

who knows K 15 would mean KM 1500 and K 4 means KM 4000 rage missile.

May be saya.

But even 1500 & 4000 Km is not enough.

How will K-4 reach Han populated east cost of China ?? We need at least in range of 6,000Km. I am sure, DRDO would be working on that.

K-15 is more than enough for Pakistan.

I don't understand logic of K-4 ? Agni-3 is fine as it's land based. (Distance between NE region & Shanghai is around 3,000-4,000 Km)

K-4 will merely cross Lhasa if launched from IOR.

 

[noob101]

^^^

I agree. Still long way to go. But at least we are on track and in next few years, we will achieve our goal.

I don't think no. of tubes will make big difference. What matter most is K-4,5 (MiRV) which will take another 4-5 years.

4 missiles wont gurantee a hit on a single city and anti BDM defenses are getting stronger in each country. you dont want to expend all of your missiles on one mission having more tubes lets you make repeated missions, if the IN has 6 SSBN's only one of them is likely to be in the south china sea when the need arises worse comes to worse you don't want it to launch all nuclear missiles on the first strike as you wont have anything after that...

 

[plugwater]

At least navy is putting in money for its project, please remember navy is capital intensive. Look at army its tanks are night blind, still thinking about artillery gun, etc, look at IAF MRCA is never ending story, we are looking at basic trainer.

Looks like you missed yesterday's news. Army will achieve 100% night fighting capability soon for its tanks. Is there something wrong in looking basic trainer ?

Some say if you have good product Navy will come looking at you, while for IA they say even if you have good product and you approached them they will say get lost.

I take it as a rant.

That is simply because Army has been infiltrated by corrupted generals and senior staff who find the top spots and shoddy deals as a good source to earn fat incomes. They don't give a damn about national security. There has to be a mass purge in the services top brass by someone genuine and of authority to change that.

Nonsense!!

 

[sayareakd]

Looks like you missed yesterday's news. Army will achieve 100% night fighting capability soon for its tanks.

 

[noob101]

Looks like you missed yesterday's news. Army will achieve 100% night fighting capability soon for its tanks. Is there something wrong in looking basic trainer ?


I take it as a rant.



Nonsense!!

calm down he is just pointing out the fact that the IN is much more streamlined than the IA when it comes to military procurement, which is true.