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  1. Singh

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    #Indonesia sank a large Chinese vessel Wed and 40 other foreign boats being caught fishing in #SouthChinaSea: media

     
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    Chinese 9 dash line runs through Indonesian territorial waters. China is a problem for everyone in the region
     
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    Epic response from Indonesia though.
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Perhaps it just need one to act, Other will come forward too ..
     
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    Ever since their new president has been elected, Indonesia is standing their ground in international matters.

    Earlier was the Bali9 case and now this.
     
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    Why Did Indonesia Just Sink a Vessel From China?
    A brief look behind a significant development.

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    By Prashanth Parameswaran
    May 22, 2015

    As I reported previously, on Wednesday Indonesia sank a Chinese vessel caught fishing illegally in Indonesian waters near the South China Sea, the first such instance since President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo declared war on illegal fishing (See: “Indonesia Sinks First Vessel From China Under Jokowi”). The boat was among 41 vessels simultaneously destroyed to commemorate National Awakening Day, with the others being from neighboring states including the Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam.

    But why did the Jokowi government choose to sink its first Chinese vessel now?

    A standard reply from government officials would be that the sinking of the Chinese vessel, just like the sinking of any other vessel, was scheduled in line with legal proceedings. That is, the timing of the sinking of the empty Chinese vessel was dependent on when other legal issues were resolved via court proceedings and when the proper authorization was obtained.

    It is certainly true that the legal aspect of this is significant. Close observers know there has been an ongoing debate about the extent to which Indonesian practices are conform with international law, particularly the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) (See: “Explaining Indonesia’s ‘Sink The Vessels Policy’ Under Jokowi”). Thus far, Jakarta has displayed regard for the law even while carrying out its controversial policy.

    But it is also true that the legal argument leaves much left to be desired. First, it accounts neither for the clear differences in the way that these sinkings have been carried out nor Indonesia’s greater caution in dealing with China on this question relative to other countries. While Indonesia has sunk boats from Malaysia, Papua New Guinea, the Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam over the past few months, it held off on sinking ships from China until this week, despite seizing them and claiming that it would not be afraid to do so. (See: “Indonesia May Sink Chinese Vessels: Jokowi Adviser”). And as I noted in my previous piece, even when it did sink a Chinese vessel, the way it did so — by placing it among 41 vessels in line with a particular national occasion, rather than sinking the Chinese ship alone or in a smaller group — suggested that Jakarta was more cognizant about backlash in this case than it has been in others.

    By choosing to finally sink a Chinese vessel now, Jakarta may be signaling not only its willingness to apply its ‘sink the vessels’ policy consistently, but perhaps its desire to take a harder line on illegal fishing more generally as well — albeit within limits. It was notable, for instance, that Indonesia’s Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Minister Susi Pudjiastuti told The Jakarta Post following the sinking that the government had been too lenient in dealing with illegal fishing. She also said that Jakarta was considering sinking vessels ‘on the spot’ — with just a permit from the court instead of the full judicial process.

    Second, it is far from clear whether the legal argument fully accounts for why this particular vessel was selected to be sunk at this time. According to The Jakarta Post, the vessel that was sunk — the Gui Xie Yu 12661 — was seized almost six years ago on June 20, 2009 for fishing in Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ) in the South China Sea. That suggests that it was embroiled in a flashpoint in Sino-Indonesian relations during that time, where eight boats containing 75 Chinese fishermen were seized for infringing on Jakarta’s EEZ. While an agreement was eventually worked out between the two countries, it is interesting that this was the first Chinese vessel to be sunk years later under the Jokowi administration. Given this government’s prickliness on sovereignty questions, along with rising concerns about China’s nine-dash line claim in the South China Sea, observers can’t be blamed for suspecting that something more than just coincidence may be at play (See for instance: “Natuna Is Indonesian, Not Chinese: Jokowi Adviser”).
    http://thediplomat.com/2015/05/why-did-indonesia-just-sink-a-vessel-from-china/

    Indonesia seems to be making some kind of statement here.......
     
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    I have a feeling that we lost a lot of ground to China in last decade. Lets hope the current government learn from the mistake. Economy relations is fine but without resolution of our border disputes there will always be huge trust deficit between both of us. We should rapidly improve our infra in NE, Ladakh and Sikkim.
     
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    Many nations that are in south china sea will eventually form an anti Chinese
    Alliance.
     
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    the OP points out one Chinese vessel (seized 4 years ago?) and 40 other foreign boats were sunk. then Indian commentators on DFI couldn't help hilariously leaping to a conclusion that an anti-China alliance is in the making. LOL what an amazing skewed attention!

    Indians would rather capture what suits their fantasy, and filter out other info, than have a full view. that seems merely a cycle of self reinforcement of your wishful thinking amid your grievances towards China.

    - See more at: http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/20...ng-30-foreign-boats.html#sthash.kzZKuOnL.dpuf


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    :dude: adopt the policy of "an attack on one is an attack on all".
     
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    So far Indonesia has been showing patience with Chinese fishing vessels. They have sunk vessels of other nations but not Chinese cuz of economic and other political reasons
    But This is awesome.
    This shows that the Indonesian deterrence is applied consistantly for all nations who is violating the Indonesian sovereignty.

    The new found posturing is a warning shot to Chinese that they need to be watchful about their "PEACEFUL RISE" :D

    Great job Indonesia...The chinese rodents will watch their steps now.
     
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    it is possible that among the dozens of the sunk ships, one of them was from India.

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    I doubt Indian will go to that far for fishing !
     
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    40 of the boats were seized from Vietnam, Philippines, Thailand and Malaysia, only one of them is from China. tell me what kind of message are they sending?

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    They are sending the message that..so far they have let go the Chinese vessels and from now on they wont hesitate to sink the Chinese vessels to sleep with the fishes.

    One is enough to send the message loud and clear to the diplomatic circuits unless assuming the fact that Chinese policy makers are not as dumb as the posters in here.
     
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    How Will China React to Indonesia’s Sinking of a Chinese Vessel?

    In addition, as I noted in my earlier piece, Indonesia has demonstrated great caution in the way it has gone about the sinking of this first Chinese vessel. As opposed to other Asian states whose vessels were sunk with immediate effect, Indonesia’s stance towards China evolved more gradually. The seizure of several boats in December led the government to revoke a deal signed with Beijing on cooperation in the fisheries sector in early 2015 before the first actual sinking was carried out this week. The Chinese vessel was also destroyed along with 41 vessels from other neighboring states, rather than alone or in much smaller numbers as has been the case with other countries. In addition, Indonesia’s Minister of Maritime Affairs and Fisheries, Susi Pudjiastuti, was careful to emphasize that the sinkings were not a show of force, but merely a case of Indonesia enforcing its laws.

    http://thediplomat.com/2015/05/how-will-china-react-to-indonesias-sinking-of-a-chinese-vessel/
     
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    The single boat being blow up would bring memory to the chinese people and also PRC, Taiwan and Special regions:

    "As news of attacks on Chinese Indonesians during the violence reached the international ethnic Chinese community, the riots were labeled as "anti-Chinese" in nature. In a letter to President Habibie, leader of the Hong Kong Democratic Party Martin Lee wrote, "The severity of these two days of mayhem evoked comparisons to the Nazi regime's attacks against Jews."[74] Ethnic Chinese organized protests through the website Global Huaren, founded by Malaysian Chinese emigrant Joe Tan in New Zealand. Tan founded the website in response to "seeming indifference" around the world and spread news of the violence to professionals and colleagues. Members then coordinated rallies at Indonesian embassies and consulates in major Pacific Rim cities.[75]Solidarity from the international community brought about a renewed awareness of ethnic and national identity—Indonesian and Chinese—among Chinese Indonesians "because for so long the one had been sacrificed for the other".[76]

    China's cautious response to the issue caused an uproar among human rights groups. Following protests at the Indonesian embassy in Beijing in August, Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan made a direct appeal to the Indonesian government to ensure the protection of Chinese Indonesian communities.[76] During a visit to Jakarta in November, Chinese Premier Jiang Zemin said that "Chinese Indonesians will not only serve ... the long term stability of Indonesia, but also ... the smooth development of the relationship of friendly cooperation with neighboring countries."[74] The riots became known in China as "Black May" (黑色的五月), named after a VCD documentary of the events released by the China Radio and Television Publishing House in October.[77] Compared to China's approach, the Taiwanese government took on a more active role in demanding the trial of those involved in the violence and protection for victims. It threatened to withdraw investments from the country, estimated at US$13 billion in 1998, and block the entry of Indonesian workers, whose population in Taiwan had reached 15,000. Taiwan justified the threats "based on the principles of protecting overseas Chinese and protecting human rights". On 9 August, Minister of Investment Hamzah Haz flew to Taiwan and apologized for the violence while promoting Indonesia as an investment destination. At the same time, a Taiwan delegation met with Wiranto, who was now Defence Minister under Habibie, as well as several other government ministers."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1998_riots_of_Indonesia
     
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    Based on the logic of our Indian friends here that is the way you form an alliance against your enemy: making friend by sinking the boats.
     
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    I guess Vietnam, Philippine and Malaysia also receive this "loud and clear message" assuming the fact that their policy makers are not as dumb as the posters in here.
     

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