Indo-Sino Talks: China Insists On 'Its Share' Of Arunachal Pradesh

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    Indo-Sino Talks: China Insists On 'Its Share' Of Arunachal Pradesh


    The Sino-India special representatives’ talks may have been a surprise for the hosts with Beijing insisting on discussing the eastern boundary in Arunachal Pradesh first.

    According to a report published in the Daily Mail, Chinese state councilor Dai Bingguoa asked India's National Security Adviser Shiv Shankar Menon how much territory New Delhi would part with.

    National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon led the Indian team at the 15th round of the Special Representatives meeting with the Chinese delegation led by State Councillor Dai Bingguo on January 16.

    The meeting was to be held in November last year but had to be postponed after China protested Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama's participation in the Global Buddhist Congregation in the capital around the time of the talks.

    The report stated that the boundary dialogue ended in a deadlock after Beijing declared it would settle for nothing less than 'its share' of Arunachal Pradesh.

    While Menon argued that argued that under article 3 of the guiding principles of the Sino-Indian boundary discussions, all sectors (eastern, western and middle) needed to be discussed and a package solution required to be thrashed out China insisted India to first put on the table its proposal for the division of Arunachal Pradesh, specifying the proportion of territory swap, the report said.

    Indo-Sino talks: China insists on 'its share' of Arunachal Pradesh - www.daily.bhaskar.com
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    How much territory is China ready to part of China?

    Maybe the whole of Tibet to the Dalai Lama is what we may consider as a starting point.

    What is there to 'share'?

    Is the UPA going Nehru's way to tell the people that goodbye and the UPA's heart bleeds for them?!
     
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    atleast they bother to speak on akshai shin
     
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    Give them and they will still ask more, When we need to carry on talks with pak or other all jump and tells no PER-CONDITIONS but look at china if they really want to sort out the various issue why to issue a per-condition such stupid as this. They know neither INDIA nor CHINA can give up their claim so easily,
     
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    Yeah and we should demand parts of Tibet I not whole, parts of Xinjiang and also ask them to get the eff outta Gilgit.
     
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    The chinese are trying to play us, by declaring what we are ready to part with, we will be in a sort of commitment and legitimizing their claim on AP, and then they can take it forward from there.
     
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    The arrogance of the Chinese once again on display!
     
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    Is there any such idiot in our cabinet to even utter a word of parting any of our territory? I doubt it.

    We all know that China knows there wont be any compromise from our part. It is taking a page out of Pakis play.
     
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    I see bunch of dreamers here.
    u want tibet? ask ur GOV go and get it. Why talk with China?
     
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    Yes, we are dreamers.
    We dream and had the ability to achive it.
    Not like some backsttabing bit##h who stole some ones property and betray their trust.
     
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    Then why talking with india as well ?
    Go and get AP.
     
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    Shiv Shankar menon was actually asking the Indian pound of flesh he was counter-attacking China by demanding China to give up 3,50,000 sq Km of Indian terrritory.Infact the Chinese delegation went berserk and got stunned due to this counter demand. This isn't being reported
     
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    How much land these bastards want, they have already galloped the Tibet. Now they are encroaching inch by inch into India. This whole China affair is nothing but a story of fraud and frustration for Indian like me. Since 1947 these thugs are out playing us and we as a nation are still undecided on doing the right thing i.e. full scale war (aar ya Paar).
     
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    blow up few of there posts along the border...and say this is your share.

    they will get the message.
     
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    General population in India will never accept India trading land for nothing. Quoting not-too-old article -

    http://defenceforumindia.com/foreign-relations/28737-handle-china-like-test-match-not-ranji.html

    Tough choice for us. But Beijing is pretty clear on its stand & I will shave my head if GOI manages to make Chinis follow International rules on this border dispute.
     
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    Its a colonial legacy problem and China needs to understand that. They also should understand that we will not bend over backwards to please them. They wanted to teach us a lesson in 1962 and we learn't it - very well.

    They will have to live with the status quo or try to take it from us.
     
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    This is a common Chinese negotiation strategy asking for the extreme in the beginning of the negotiation so that we are put off balance. Not an inch of land must be conceded and we must take back Tibet. Tibet is culturally linked to Bharatham and not to Chin.

    PS: Niceguy do you have a fetish for the word 'dreamers' cause you seem to be using it in every other post.
     
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    China Plays The Bully On Arunachal Pradesh

    China Plays The Bully On Arunachal: Beijing Tells Delhi To Work Out Eastern Sector Formula


    Despite the smiles, boundary talks ended in deadlock

    There were speeches, smiles and the usual chants of Hindi-Chini bhai-bhai after the 15th round of Sino- Indian special representative talks in the Capital in mid-January.

    What actually transpired amid this show of bonhomie was that the boundary dialogue ended in a deadlock after Beijing declared it would settle for nothing less than 'its share' of Arunachal Pradesh.

    Highly placed sources privy to discussions between the two special interlocutors - National Security Adviser Shiv Shankar Menon and his Chinese counterpart, state councillor Dai Bingguoa - said things went off track following some hard bargaining by China.



    All smiles? India's National Security Adviser Shiv Shankar Menon (left) and his Chinese counterpart, state councillor Dai Bingguoa

    Beijing had insisted during the meeting that India should first discuss the eastern boundary in Arunachal Pradesh.

    The hosts were surprised when Dai, couching his query in diplomatic niceties, asked Menon how much territory New Delhi would part with.

    The intransigent stand adopted by the Chinese was a response to India's proposals for a framework for boundary negotiations that the two countries shared during the border talks.


    Superficial bonhomie: An Indian soldier poses with Chinese soldiers for a photograph at a border post

    Menon, a former envoy to Beijing and an old China hand in India's national security set-up, argued that under article 3 of the guiding principles of the Sino-Indian boundary discussions, all sectors (eastern, western and middle) needed to be discussed and a package solution required to be thrashed out. India argued that the western sector in Jammu and Kashmir, which includes the Aksai Chin area, should be discussed along with the eastern portion of the boundary.

    Under a previously agreed principle, the two sides had concurred in 2005 that settled population would not be disturbed. New Delhi articulated this, too, at the meeting.

    But Beijing simply stuck to its guns and told India to first put on the table its proposal for the division of Arunachal Pradesh, specifying the proportion of territory swap.


    'The meeting was held in a productive, fruitful and friendly manner,' Menon had said after the two-day session that began on January 16.

    Speaking at a banquet subsequent to the talks, Dai also struck an optimistic note, saying Sino-Indian ties had made 'substantial progress' and they (the two countries) could 'work miracles' together.

    POINTS OF AGREEMENT

    ARTICLE I

    The differences on the boundary question should not be allowed to
    affect the overall development
    of bilateral relations... Neither side shall use or threaten to use force against the other by any means.

    ARTICLE II

    The two sides should, in accordance with the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence, seek a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable solution to the boundary question through consultations on an equal footing.

    ARTICLE III

    Both sides should, in the spirit of mutual respect and mutual understanding, make meaningful
    and mutually acceptable adjustments to their respective positions on the boundary question, so as to arrive at a package settlement to the boundary question.

    ARTICLE IV

    The two sides will give due
    consideration to each other’s strategic and reasonable interests, and the principle of mutual and
    equal security.

    ARTICLE V

    The two sides will take into account, inter alia, historical evidence,
    national sentiments, practical difficulties and reasonable concerns and sensitivities of both sides, and the actual state of
    border areas.

    ARTICLE VI

    The boundary should be along well-defined and easily identifiable natural geographical features to
    be mutually agreed upon between the two sides.

    ARTICLE IX

    Pending an ultimate settlement of the boundary question, the two sides should strictly respect and observe the line of actual control and work together to maintain
    peace and tranquillity in the border areas.

    The special interlocutor added that he hoped the two nations would never go to war again.

    'In the China-India boundary negotiations, although we have not yet arrived at the summit - that is, we have not reached full agreement on the framework of settlement of the border question - yet we have scaled substantial heights and made much progress,' he declared.

    The Indian delegation also included foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai, the country's envoy to China, S. Jaishankar as well as the representatives of the ministries of external affairs and defence.

    The only forward movement during the interaction was that Dai and Menon agreed to put in place a mechanism for border management to discuss intrusions on the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

    The mechanism was mooted by Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao during his visit to India in 2010.

    The present arrangements under the peace and tranquillity agreement between the two countries include communication channels between local-level commanders along the LAC.

    The joint border mechanism will focus specifically on how it will function on a routine basis, particularly for taking spot decisions. It would, however, not replace existing border interactions.

    This mechanism may create a plan beyond just the maintenance of peace along the LAC that was enunciated by the 1993 and 1996 agreements.

    In 1993, India and China signed an accord to reduce tension along their border and respect the LAC. The boundary settlement process was originally envisaged as a three-step process.

    The first was to establish guiding principles, the second included evolving a consensus on a framework for the boundary and the last step comprised carrying out its delineation and demarcation.

    The SR-level dialogue was initially scheduled for November 28-29 last year. It had to be postponed after India and China disagreed over the Dalai Lama's participation in the Global Buddhist Congregation in Delhi on those very dates.

    This was the 15th round of boundary negotiations which commenced in 2003 and have remained inconclusive. It came just ahead of a report accessed by Headlines Today that said that over 500 Chinese intrusions had taken place in the last two years on all the three sectors of the boundary.

    In fact, allegations of contravention by Chinese troops were common in 2009 and 2010.


    In 2005, the two sides agreed on political parameters and guiding principles for a boundary settlement, which would form the basis of the final settlement. Insiders say the Chinese gameplan was to put pressure on India to reassert claims over territory.

    At the centre of the Sino- Indian boundary dispute is the McMahon Line which the Chinese refuse to recognise. While China claims over 90,000 sq km of territory, the Indian claim extends over 3,68,846 sq km.

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    Read more: China plays the bully on Arunachal: Beijing tells Delhi to work out Eastern sector formula | Mail Online
     

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