Indo-Pak joint statement at Cairo on Baluchistan, and the aftermath

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Anyone here a fan of the BBC series Yes Minister (there are some clips in the multimedia section).

This reminds me of the time the minister's daughter hands him a "fat book of signatures" protesting against his policy. The fat book full of signatures proved to be a a few names which would not have filled a sheet of paper.

Wonder if that dossier simply had a picture of those uncircumcised p***$e$ that we keep hearing about:wink:
 

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Pak handed no dossier to India: Govt sources


New Delhi: In a new revelation, Government sources have told CNN-IBN, the reports coming in Pakistani media detailing Indian involvement in Balochistan is a total fabrication designed to spread disinformation.
The sources say accusations of the involvement of Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) in terrorist activities in Pakistan - including the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore and on a police academy on the outskirts of the city earlier this year - is absurd.
Government sources have also confirmed that Pakistan never handed any dossier to India.
On Wednesday, Dawn newspaper had published a report claiming that when Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in Sharm el-Sheikh, a dossier was handed over to India detailing the involvement of RAW in Balochistan and hinting at a RAW hand in the attack on Sri Lankan cricketers in March, 2009.
Speaking to CNN-IBN a senior Government official said, "This report is totally fabricated. No dossier was handed over to India by the Pakistan side, except the one detailing the steps taken on the 26/11 terror attacks. There is no question of any Indian involvement in Pakistan."
Meanwhile, Dawn newspaper had reported on Wednesday that the dossier had a description of Indian arms and explosives used in the attack on the Sri Lankan team.
Besides this, the names and particulars of the perpetrators who illegally entered Pakistan from India and joined their accomplices - who had reached Lahore from Waziristan - have been mentioned.
The dossier is also said to contain a list of the safe houses being run by RAW in Afghanistan where terrorists are trained and sent out for missions in Pakistan.


Pak handed no dossier to India: Govt sources
 

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Figment of Dawns imagination. Even their government has denied anythingof that sort.
 

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While logistical difficulties have clearly impaired any active role for India(RAW) in the Baloch insurgency,in all likelihood RAW has continued to maintain contact with Baloch nationalist groups.However now, as in the 70's,Afghanistan continues to be the principal actor behind the resurgence in the nationalist activities and considering India's close ties to the Afghan govt,Pak suspicion is not without merit.

Unless Pakistan makes a more determined effort to combat the Taliban insurgents who regularly infiltrate the Afghan border from the Pakistani held side(and exfiltrate once the heat is turned on)Afghanistan will consider all legitimate modes of response to bear down upon Pakistan the need to act against the Taliban,including aiding the Baloch nationalists.

It doesn't help Pakistan's case that this time,unlike the past,Iranians and Americans too may have an active hand in making this pudding.
 

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Dawn just acting up,no dossier was given.
Indian weapons and ammunition recovered indeed,i'd like to see those!
 

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there is something up with the dawn off late, and it is a strange behavior to which at least i am not witness to so far. they have a very good list of columnists who write some great articles where they tend to call a spade a spade, a trait i always admire and appreciate in others but they have unnecessarily tried their hands at creating false news on india which has no standing.

either there is a overhaul at the top with editor, sub-editor etc have been changed and the new set are india baiter's, or they are trying to get into sensationalism which might help increase their viewer/readership or the agency they are taking their news is not reliable. which ever way it might be but it is not good news for the dawn group at large, for they are fast loosing reputation that they have earned over the years.

first it was the a baseless news of 6indians being killed in a'stan and now this, well something is for sure wrong with the group.
 

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India not involved in Baloch unrest, says Baloch Republican Party

ISLAMABAD: The Baloch Republican Party (BRP) has rejected the Pakistan government's allegation that India is responsible for the unrest in the
province.

BRP president Nawabzada Barmdagh Bugti rebuked the government's claims saying the Baloch people were fighting for their independence without any foreign help.

Bugti termed Islamabad's claims about India's involvement in the Baloch struggle as 'baseless propaganda', saying it wants to divert the international community's attention from the atrocities being meted out to Balochis.

"The government wants to hide its atrocities perpetrated against the Baloch people from the world by launching a baseless propaganda," The Dawn quoted Bugti, as saying.

Bugti urged the international community to address the brutalities of security forces against the Baloch people.

"The international community should send independent observers to monitor the situation in these areas," he said.

Earlier reports in the Pakistani media had said that Islamabad had handed over a dossier to New Delhi detailing India's covert subversion in the restive province of Balochistan.

According to the report, the dossier also blamed India for carrying out terror attacks on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore and the Manawan police academy.

However, India has termed the allegations 'baseless'.

Government sources denied that any such dossier was given to Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh at Sharm-el-Sheikh in Egypt.
 

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An opportunity is knocking at our door guys.......will we make use of it while the time is still ripe or let it pass and curse our fate later?

An old article, but nonetheless relevant.

How India's Intelligence Establishment Sees the Balochistan Situation

Editorial: By Kanchan Lakshman

NEW DELHI, December 21: The stage for escalated, and possibly extraordinary, violence has been set in Balochistan. Addressing the media at Turbat in the province on December 16, 2004, President Pervez Musharraf declared that his Government would crush all anti-Pakistan movements: "We are gathering information through intelligence and other sources that who is doing what in the area and I warn them because when the Government starts action against them, they will be crushed."

This declaration of intent only completes what has been on the cards, at least since 31st March 2004, when the General had declared on the Pakistan Television (PTV) "Newsnight" program, that the problem with Balochistan was that only 5 per cent of the area was 'A area', while 95 per cent was 'B', where the police did not operate. Soon, he had stated, the entire 95 per cent 'B area' would be made into 'A area'. Already, he disclosed further, five districts in the 'B area' had been declared 'A area'.

[The British colonial administration divided Balochistan into A and B Areas: the former were under direct British control and administration; in the latter, the British exercised proxy control through the Sardars or tribal chiefs. The system was continued after Independence by the Pakistan Establishment.]

With its vast potential for a wide range of natural resources, including oil, uranium, copper and other minerals, its critical strategic location - it commands over 900 miles of the Arabian Sea coastline, and the development, particularly, of the Gwadar Port with massive Chinese financial and technical assistance, 'stabilizing' Balochistan and consolidating Islamabad's administrative hold over the province is emerging as an overarching objective of the present regime.

These objectives militate directly both against the long-standing system of near autonomy most of the province has enjoyed since and even before the creation of Pakistan, and against a number of critical demands consistently held by the Baloch people and leadership. Specifically, the Baloch Ittehad (Baloch Unity) movement seeks, among a range of other objectives, to bring an end to the exploitation of Baloch resources by Islamabad, particularly by North Punjab; to secure fair royalties for Baloch gas; to secure employment for locals in projects being executed in Baloch areas; and to ensure that revenues from various projects in Balochistan are invested in the province itself.

More significantly, the Baloch have long and bitter memories of Islamabad's repression and betrayal over the past, and there is great venom against the 'Punjabis' in the Baloch discourse. In the 1950s, after an unsuccessful insurrection, Pakistan offered a General Amnesty to the rebels, but when their leaders came out they were hanged. This betrayal weighs heavily in the consciousness of the Baloch, as does the brutality with which the rebellion of the 1970s was suppressed, with indiscriminate use of superior firepower - including air power - against Baloch camps and villages in which thousands were killed.

But the current sentiment goes well beyond the bitterness of historical memories to a fear of an existential threat, as Islamabad unfolds its plans to transform the very character of all of Balochistan. The military regime has reportedly decided to replace the Levies (the local enforcement apparatus) and to provide full powers to the police to control law and order. This would bring 25 districts of Balochistan into province-wide policing, and do away with the traditional institution of Levies, which are manned substantially by the locals. The Federal Interior Ministry is reported to have finalized a Rupees 9.6 billion security plan under which the 'B areas' would be converted into 'A areas' under this scheme, and for which 9,866 personnel would be recruited.

Changing the structure of policing in Balochistan is central to a deeper re-engineering of the entire power structure in Balochistan. Many of the tribes have already been bought over or neutralized and it is only among a few dominant tribes such as the Bugtis and the Maris that an independent power base survives.

The Pakistan Establishment has systematically diluted the traditional system of working through the Sardars, because the local leadership is no longer trusted. The Sardars, in turn, jealously guard their socio-political and financial control in the regions, and seek to 'keep the destiny of Balochistan in their own hands'. Each of Islamabad's new experiments at social engineering is, consequently, deeply resented, as is the increasing dominance of the 'Punjabis' in Islamabad.

Clearly, the Sardars now realize that Musharraf has confronted them with a 'do-or-die' choice. If the General succeeds in transforming all of Balochistan into 'A areas', the power of the Sardars will have ended. The current struggle is, consequently, quite different from the insurrections of the 1950s and the 1970s. The Sardars, in the present instance, are completely united. Earlier movements had individual tribes rebelling, and these were individually targeted in concentrated areas in the mountains into which they escaped.

The current and mounting insurgency is radically different. Presently, a majority of Balochistan is covered, and almost all tribes have been united in their opposition to Islamabad in the enveloping Baloch Ittehad The political leadership of the Ittehad comprises Khair Buksh Marri, Akbar Bugti, Attaullah Mengal, Abdul Hayee Baloch and Hasil Bizenjo. Marri rejects the Parliamentary system, and is more prone to 'direct action'. Bugti leads a political party - the Jamhoori Watan Party (JWP), but also retains armed cadres. Mengal has adopted the path of political protest and mobilization, and is the Chairman of the Pakistan Oppressed Nations Movement (PONAM). Hayee Baloch and Bizenjo are leaders of the National Party (NP).

While Marri, Bugti and Mengal are Sardars, Baloch and Bizenjo come from ordinary middle class backgrounds. All have come together in a loosely cooperative structure under the banner of the Ittehad This present movement, consequently, is an inclusive movement representing wide Balochi interests, not just the Sardars and there has been increasing popular consciousness of exploitation among the common Baloch, which now transcends elite interest groups.

This has translated into a calibrated and widely dispersed campaign of attacks virtually across the length and breadth of Balochistan. Total casualties have, however, remained relatively small - given the South Asia context - with some 94 dead and 303 wounded in the current year (till December 14). However, vital installations and state actors have been repeatedly targeted and the strife in Balochistan is emerging as a critical internal security problem for Islamabad.

The most alarming aspect of this crisis, from Islamabad's perspective, is the sheer spatial and temporal distribution of attacks on the Army and security forces, vital installations and sporadic skirmishes. These have been reported throughout the year from north-central Balochistan (Kohlu and Dera Bugti), the capital Quetta (also the hub of sectarian terrorism) in the west, and Gwadar, Kech, and Khuzdar in the south. Encounters between the troops and 'Baloch nationalists' have been on the upswing since the middle of 2004 and furthermore, increased army presence ('protective deployment' according to military regime spokesperson Major General Shaukat Sultan) has led to high-profile targets like Chief Minister Jam Muhammad Yousaf falling under the compass of violence.

Nevertheless, the pattern of insurgent violence thus far suggests that the Balochis are essentially demonstrating their capabilities, rather than using them to the fullest. Hence, the low fatality levels, uncommon for violence-wrecked South Asia. Actions are being calibrated to a threshold that keeps the movement alive, while a fuller commitment is kept at abeyance till clearer assurance of support is secured from one or another external power. It is significant, in this context, to note that, though fatalities have been kept low, rocket attacks and improvised explosive device explosions have been an almost daily affair throughout 2004. In May 2004 alone, for instance, approximately 140 rocket attacks were recorded, targeting the gas pipelines in Sui, while some 120 rocket attacks were reported in June.

The insurgency has gradually spread across the whole of Balochistan, and is not concentrated in any one sector. Strikingly, there is no locus of command either, and the Balochis, wiser for their experience in the 1970s, appear to have ensured that their movement will not easily be 'decapitated'. A deeper scrutiny of the insurgency also reveals that no single leader is central to its survival, and there are indications derived from operational patterns that suggest that the movement has, in fact, been dispersed down to the level of cells comprising 2 to 10 persons.

Widening the strategic depth of the insurgency, the Baloch have sought to exploit the situation prevailing in Waziristan as well. Insurgents from the tribal belt have reportedly begun crossing into the mountain ranges of Balochistan. Tarique Niazi notes that, "they seamlessly melt into the latter's capital city, Quetta, which houses predominantly Pakhtun population, alongside the burgeoning demographic growth of Baluchs on its skirts."

However, the current insurgent activities are like warning shots fired over the bow, not an open insurgency as yet. While it is true that grievances which form necessary conditions for an insurgency are a reality in Balochistan, they have not been adequate enough, thus far, to trigger a major conflagration. Most violence is 'nationalist' and there is no co-operation between Islamists in the North and the Balochs, and there is little love lost between the Mullahs and the Sardars. Fortunately for Islamabad, though the Balochis are devout, they are not fundamentalist. Indeed, efforts by the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) to consolidate the influence of the Mullahs in Balochistan is seen as a direct threat to the power and influence of the Sardars.

The crisis has acquired additional urgency as a result of a multiplicity of 'externalities' linked to the strategic location and natural resources of the province. Chinese involvement is clearly growing in Balochistan, and as the region becomes increasingly important, its security dimensions cannot be neglected. Gwadar is, in fact, being projected as a major economic hub in the region, facilitating imports and exports between Pakistan and China. While negotiations are currently underway for investment and collaboration in coal-fired power generation, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz during his visit to China from December 14 to 18, 2004, signed a Memorandum of Understanding for the expansion of Gwadar seaport channel capacity for facilitating large vessels.

Further, China is to continue work on the Rupees 16 billion Saindak Project as Pakistan has reportedly expressed its willingness to extend the lease of Saindak copper-gold mines in Balochistan for another 20 years. Crucially, the Gwadar Port is part of China's long-term strategy to consolidate its strategic presence in the region, and its maritime dominance in the Persian Gulf. The security of these and a widening spectrum of projects for 'economic cooperation' in the province is, consequently, pivotal, and it is believed that China has made it amply clear to Islamabad that a repeat of the incident of May 3, 2004, at Gwadar Port, in which three Chinese engineers lost their lives, would be 'unacceptable'.

US interests in the province are also increasing. While the Government has sought to dispel notions that the US may be permitted to locate military bases in Balochistan, analysts point out that the US military has, for long, targeted the development of a base near Dalbandin and Pasni, 180 miles west of Karachi, close to the Gwadar Port. A further deepening of Pakistan's relations with the United States, including plausible base access, are to a certain extent co-terminus with the plans underway to consolidate the Army's control over Balochistan, which could project 'strategic depth' into Central Asia and the Gulf region.

Another, albeit ambivalent, externality relates to Iran's interest in Balochistan. Iran's population includes about two per cent of Baloch, who nevertheless dominate or have very significant presence in the Zahedan , Khorasan, Seistan and Balochistan (Iran). The Baloch are Sunnis, and Baloch separatism - and the unity of the Baloch across the Iran-Pakistan border - is seen as a threat by Teheran as well.

Indeed, at the height of the suppression of the Baloch movement in Pakistan in the 1970s, US-supplied Iranian combat helicopters, at least some of them manned by Iranian pilots, had joined the Pakistan Air Force in its strafing and bombing of Baloch camps and villages. At other times, Iran's general hostility to predominantly Sunni Pakistan, and its involvement in the sectarian conflict within Pakistan, has tempted it to support the Baloch’s. Currently, however, there is no evidence of such support.

Other complexities also color the situation in Balochistan. At least one of these involves an internal clash of interests in US policy. While the US is broadly committed to the general 'stabilization' of Pakistan, it does have a vested interest in delaying projects that would establish a dominant Chinese strategic presence in the region, particularly the Port of Gwadar. There would, consequently, be some US interest in persistent, though low grade, violence in the province.

The cumulative force of these considerations, however, is that the Islamabad now places the highest priority on the 'pacification' of Balochistan. Given his temperament, Musharraf's first inclination is to crack down. By nature an impatient man, he would seek to cement Islamabad's dominion in the province during his own tenure, and his decisions would be based more on his assessment of how necessary tranquility in the region is for Pakistan's economic and strategic interests, and not on objective assessments of the Baloch insurgency.

The primary response, consequently, has been military. In October this year, Lieutenant General Hamid Rab Nawaz was handpicked to head the 12 Corps based at Quetta, which is in charge of the Baloch Operations. Nawaz, a Punjabi from Chakwal and, like Musharraf, a Commando, shares Musharraf's belief structures and orientation, and is believed to have been sent specifically to Quetta to 'take care' of the situation. The 12 Corps comprises two divisions, the 33rd and the 41st, both headquartered at Quetta, but currently projected in 'protective deployments' across the province. In addition, the Frontier Corps (FC) - a paramilitary force - has its units present all over Balochistan.

The FC is officered and overwhelming manned by non-Baloch’s, and is deeply resented, with most recent rebel rocket attacks targeting its personnel. There has, till now, been no additional allocation of Forces to Balochistan, though available evidence suggests that counter-insurgency operations are being carried out in wide areas of the province, including in Kohlu, Dera Bugti, Gwadar, Turbat and Makran.

There is, however, a danger here that Islamabad may well be biting off more than it can chew. In November 2003, in what was possibly a moment of braggadocio, Musharraf had declared that only five per cent of Balochistan was a 'trouble spot' and that he would 'straighten out' the trouble-making Baloch leaders. This is clearly a misreading of the situation on the ground, and while the present Force deployment may be sufficient to 'contain' the violence at existing levels, particularly given the present proclivities of the rebels themselves, it is far from adequate to secure the radical structural transformations that Musharraf appears to be committed to, and to suppress the natural local responses these can be expected to provoke in an entrenched, deeply traditional and historically hostile society.

The troubles in the Federally Administrated Tribal Areas (FATA) have already stretched Islamabad's Forces, with over 70,000 troops stationed in South Waziristan alone. Additional commitments in Balochistan would demand a dramatic redrafting of national strategies, and it appears that the military regime has not, in fact, visualized the deployments that would be required in a rapidly worsening internal security scenario in Balochistan.

Crucially, Balochistan's unforgiving terrain would not yield to marginal increments in deployment. Topography provides undetectable gateways to the Baloch on both sides of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. Some areas of Afghanistan (Nemroz, Helmand and Farah) also have significant Baloch population, and historically these have constituted safe areas for rebels during earlier uprisings.

More significantly, harshness of the terrain and the sheer expanses of the province - 347,641 square kilometers, nearly 43 per cent of Pakistan's total area - are such that, in conventional counter-insurgency operations, virtually the whole of the Pakistan Army could sink into the province without being able to establish full control. Sir Charles Napier once remarked that Balochistan was "the place where God threw the rubbish when He made the world."

Selig Harrison in his authoritative work, In Afghanistan's Shadow, notes that "getting from one of these valleys to the next on foot can be a precarious business: there are few passes, and many of them are not negotiable even by local donkeys accustomed to the jagged terrain." But for the Baloch, according to a 16th century war ballad, he adds, "the lofty heights are our comrades... the pathless gorges our friends." With an insurgency dispersed across the whole geographical area of Balochistan, it will be impossible to repeat the successes of the 1970s, when small locations in the mountains where particular rebellious tribes had fled were targeted with overwhelming force..............
 

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Continued from previous article.....

.............Further, vast areas of Balochistan can easily be cut off from the rest of Pakistan and there are just two routes from provincial capital Quetta to Karachi, both of which can be disrupted or interdicted. The evidence of earlier Baloch rebellions indicates that the Baloch knows and can live off the terrain, is a hardy fighter, virtually 'born with weapons', and makes a formidable adversary. There is, moreover, no shortage of weapons among the rebels. These can easily be purchased from the Afghan surplus, both within Pakistan and in Afghanistan. Wide and relatively indiscriminate state violence will be necessary if the Baloch are to be 'crushed' once again.

Such violence is, of course, not beyond Islamabad's capacities. The insurrections of the 1950s and 1960s were, in fact, suppressed through unrestrained violence, with air power widely used to strafe and destroy civilian concentrations. Musharraf himself may, also, not be particularly averse to such extreme measures - he had, after all, earned himself the sobriquet of the 'Butcher of Baltistan' during his campaigns as a Brigadier in the Northern Areas.

It is questionable, however, whether such state repression would be sustainable within the current international context - despite the extraordinary indulgences the 'international community', and particularly the US, has inclined to extend to this persistent offender against international standards. Pakistan appears, currently, to be preparing grounds to justify extreme use of force in the province, planting reports that Osama bin Laden may be in Balochistan and that some Al Qaeda leaders, who were discovered in Iran, had escaped to that country through Balochistan. The presence of Taliban and Al Qaeda elements (essentially supported by the Pashtuns in the North Balochistan areas) is being projected in order to justify action against wider Baloch targets further South.

Some diversionary 'political initiatives' have, however, also been announced to manage the dissent in Balochistan. The most significant of these was the appointment during Shujaat Hussain's brief tenure as Prime Minister, of a Parliamentary Committee comprising two sub-committees, one to look into the problems in Balochistan, and the other to examine the question of 'Provincial Autonomy'. The former was headed by Mushahid Hussain, who has since made more than one visit to Balochistan and has met all the chieftains.

The Balochistan Sub-Committee's report is to be submitted on January 7, 2005. The Provincial Autonomy sub-committee, which has only met a couple of times, has seen little movement. These committees essentially constitute a classical South Asian tactic that relies on delay to diffuse political crises. Given the circumstances in Balochistan, it is improbable that such stratagem will significantly influence the larger course of events.

The military crackdown in Balochistan is clearly slated for intensification. The operations against the jirgas in Waziristan have already demonstrated that no one can be exempt from punitive action if Islamabad's authority is challenged, and that Musharraf believes that there are certain areas of Pakistan that have to be 'quietened' in the immediate future. With the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) relatively secured, it is now Balochistan's turn.

Other events that may propel such action beyond a 'turning point' would include an act of major sabotage at Gwadar; a major disruption of the gas pipeline; or the linking up of Baloch forces across international borders. Even absent such extreme provocation, the province appears to be headed for an extended period of bloody violence that may well have defining consequences for the future of Pakistan itself.

The writer is a Research Fellow, Institute for Conflict Management and Assistant Editor, Faultlines. This article was published in the South Asia Intelligence Review. [/I]
 

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WRT involvement of RAW in Pak, it is true that most Indians want to see the worst befall Pakistan (agreed we have historical reasons enough to be angry) but is it more important to have the best bargained position for ourselves or to spite the enemy. I agree with Energon the long term goal should be for RAW to be working to further the Indian interests and to to break up Pakistan (I dont doubt the ability of RAW to achieve that even if not exactly at bargain cost). But Hey how would break up of Pakistan help India, considering that even the pakistani state uses drug money to finance its campaigns every where. It is common knowledge that drug business is carried out through proxies that are mostly (TTP, LET apologists, Taliban etc) ably supported by D-Company. It is this nexus that is the real enemy along with the crooks in their Army.
Destruction of Pakistan (the way US did in USSR) should I guess wait till the reasonable part of world believes that Pakistan cannot come back. In any case US will not at present allow that to happen (and they can actually prop up as well as keep down just about any country for now).
Helping Baloch in there cause may not be in the same class of support that Pak provides to terror in India. Intelligence is actually the best help that Indians can provide to them which can actually be controlled better then a full scale covert ops (Pak did that in Afganistan and Kashmir and look what they made of themselves between 1978 and 1999).
 
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Pakistan does not want Indian help on terror, terror is their cash machine, if they really wanted help why not have Indian troops come and clear the terror infrastructure? Breakup of Pakistan may not help India this is debateable when Pakistan's whole existence is the destruction of India why would an Intact Pakistan be good for India? A broken pakistan into 2 -3 different countries may bring the possibility of some being friendly with India? and we can help them militarily and financially against the unfriendly ones.
 

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Baloch leader says Pak using India’s name to divert attention from real issues in Bal

July 23rd, 2009

New Delhi, July 23 (ANI): A senior Baloch leader has said Pakistan is using India’s name to divert attention from real issues in Balochistan, and rubbished Islamabad’s claim of New Delhi playing a leading role in fomenting unrest in Balochistan.

He also emphatically stated that this is an “age old tactic” promoted and projected by Islamabad.

“Balochistan is in Pakistan, not in India It is not a border area and, blaming India, is Pakistan’s old tactic,” Samad Baloch, the general secretary of the Baloch Human Rights Council (BHRC), told ANI over phone from London.

He also said that Islamabad’s claim of a diplomatic victory in Sharm-el Sheikh, Egypt, by securing the mention of Balochistan in a joint India-Pakistan statement for the first time, would be neutralized in due course by leaders of the Baloch nationalist movement.

He said the situation in Balochistan is of Pakistan’s own making, and added that the country’s armed forces were using every weapon at their disposal, including chemical weapons and helicopter gun ships, to kill and maim innocent Baloch civilians.

“These are the same weapons which are provided by the allied (NATO) forces to fight against terrorism in Afghanistan,” Samad Baloch said.

Stating that there is widespread resentment in Pakistan’s largest province over the huge large influx of Punjabis, Samad Baloch said locals often call Balochistan a colony ofPakistan Punjab.

He also said that there is widespread disappointment over the disappearance of Baloch nationals.

According to Samad Baloch, a majority in Balochistan feels that countries like India and Iran should come forward and rescue them from Pakistan’s clutches.

“We would like India or any other country to support the Baloch cause. They should come forward to help us in our fight for fundamental rights. We wished India were helping Balochistan. Our condition would have been much better,” Samad Baloch said.

On Pakistan’s accusation that Indian consulates in Afghanistan are being used to funnel money and weapons into volatile Balochistan, Samad Baloch said: “Pakistan is hiding its own sins. These consulates have been in Afghanistan since 1950. Countries will keep their consulates.” (ANI)


Baloch leader says Pak using India’s name to divert attention from real issues in Balochistan
 

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members,

four threads have been merged into one, those merged are:

1 India interfering in Balochistan: Gilani - Pakistan - World - NEWS - The Times of India
2 Baloch leader says Pak using India’s name to divert attention from real issues in Bal
3 Proof of RAW involvement in terror acts given to India
4 Baloch leaders back Manmohan on Sharm el-Sheikh Declaration

and as you all can make out the thread header has been changed to : “Indo-Pak joint statement at Cairo on Baluchistan, and the aftermath”, so it is requested that henceforth any news article related to the subject be posted and discussed on this thread.


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Govt rethinks PM’s Pakistan initiative

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s bold new initiative towards Pakistan looks set to crash even before it has taken off.

A week after, Singh and his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani agreed upon a joint statement which sought to delink terrorism from the composite dialogue between the two countries, his own party and other members of his government are questioning the sagacity of the step.

Opposition members had already castigated the joint statement earlier, claiming it was a sellout.

On Thursday, the Congress party simply refused to discuss the subject. “Go and ask the government,” said spokesperson Abhishek Singhvi.

The government was just as ambiguous.

“The joint statement is a diplomatic paper that is given to the press,” said Shashi Tharoor, minister of state for external affairs. “It is not a legal paper. Ultimately what matters is not the perception of the words on paper, but the conduct of the government.”

“The joint statement is not legally binding,” said Shivshanker Menon, foreign secretary, while speaking to officers at the National Defence College.

“We have said that India cannot go for a composite dialogue with Pakistan, until and unless we have absolute assurances and we have seen credible action from Pakistan,” Tharoor added.

In Parliament, most of the Congress members maintained a studied silence when the opposition attacked the joint statement.

They are said to be particularly upset over the reference to Balochistan in it.

Sonia Gandhi has been consulting party leaders on dealing with the issue. Singh is believed to have explained the joint statement to her.

In sharp contrast to the current silence, the party and president Sonia Gandhi had backed the prime minister with full force when he decided to proceed with civil nuclear deal with the US in early 2008. This time, the party is more anxious to insulate itself from adverse public reaction ahead of an election season. Three states including Maharashtra will go to elections in a few months.

“It’s all very well for the people to say that somehow India’s interest compromised by few words on a piece of paper that is not a legal document. It is a diplomatic paper that is released to the press - different from the legal papers,” said Tharoor.
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The Baloch enigma

It is curious how nothing has exercised the Indian foreign policy establishment the past few weeks more than the single line on Balochistan in the Indo-Pakistan joint statement issued at Sharm el -Sheikh. This is less about the substance of the line than a combination of two factors. One, while the two countries are moving on different trajectories, the fact remains that relations with Pakistan are still a matter of great public sensitivity. After all, with no other country is an error of diplomacy more likely to result in the spilling of Indian blood and a huge economic cost. Two, the Manmohan Singh government has opened itself to criticism by allowing diplomacy to move off the beaten track — and then failing to provide any explanation as to motives or expectations. Nothing is more telling than how tongue-tied Congress members become when asked to explain the Baloch enigma.

The sophisticated argument against this move is that it legitimises Islamabad’s claims that India is sponsoring insurgents in Balochistan. This puts at risk the moral high ground India now occupies on Kashmir. It has taken years for India to persuade the rest of the world that Pakistan is the “epicentre of global terrorism.” If Baloch terror is pinned on New Delhi, then the world will see Kashmir as part of a tit-for-tat exercise between two countries rather than proxy aggression done in alliance with international terrorism. The counter-argument, of course, is that India’s hands are clean in Balochistan. If Islamabad’s declares a bomb blast in Quetta is India’s handiwork, New Delhi should call for an international inquiry and watch Pakistan squirm. The skeletons that line Pakistan’s Baloch closet will be exposed.

Ultimately, these arguments are academic. What really matters is the country’s foreign policy process. Prime Minister Singh himself has said the primary barrier to India’s rise is the instability of its neighbourhood — and clearly this refers mainly to Pakistan. This alone is sufficient reason for the government to take its own party and its people into confidence. Either “Balochistan” is a cavalier, throwaway line or it indicates a new policy path in India’s handling of the Pakistan problem. Either way an explanation is needed.

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India has nothing to do with Balochistan: Chidambaram
IANS 25 July 2009, 03:03pm IST


NEW DELHI: Aiming to stem the controversy over the inclusion of Balochistan in the India-Pakistan joint statement, home minister P Chidambaram has asserted that New Delhi has "nothing to do with Pakistan's internal affairs".

"We have nothing to do with Pakistan's internal problems, why should we get involved?" Chidamabaram said in a TV interview.

He was replying to a question on the contentious move by India to allow a mention of "threats to Balochistan" in the joint statement which was issued after talks between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his Pakistani counterpart Yousaf Raza Gilani at Sharm-el-Sheikh in Egypt July 16.

Although Pakistan has been accusing India of fomenting trouble in its resource-rich southwest province for decades, this is the first time Balochistan has found mention in a joint statement between the two countries.

The opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and some experts have slammed the government for "conceding" to Pakistan on the Balochistan issue and have contended that its mention in the joint statement is tantamount to giving credibility to Pakistan's allegations.

Manmohan Singh has, however, defended the move saying the joint statement was merely taking cognizance of what Pakistan said at the Egypt talks and stressed that India was ready to discuss the issue as it has nothing to hide.

At a meeting with senior party leaders here Friday evening, Congress president Sonia Gandhi backed the prime minister on the issue.

A recent Pakistani media report claimed that Islamabad had given to New Delhi a "dossier" about India's involvement in Balochistan during talks at Sharm-el-Sheikh. Official sources here have vehemently denied the sharing of any such dossier.

"Our hands are clean. We have nothing to hide," the sources said.

If Pakistan wants to bring up its "internal issue" in bilateral talks and internationalise Balochistan, India does not have any issue with it, the sources added.

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India has nothing to do with Balochistan: Chidambaram

Aiming to stem the controversy over the inclusion of Balochistan in the India-Pakistan joint statement, home minister P Chidambaram

has asserted that New Delhi has "nothing to do with Pakistan's internal affairs".

"We have nothing to do with Pakistan's internal problems, why should we get involved?" Chidamabaram said in a TV interview.

He was replying to a question on the contentious move by India to allow a mention of "threats to Balochistan" in the joint statement which was issued after talks between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his Pakistani counterpart Yousaf Raza Gilani at Sharm-el-Sheikh in Egypt July 16.

Although Pakistan has been accusing India of fomenting trouble in its resource-rich southwest province for decades, this is the first time Balochistan has found mention in a joint statement between the two countries.

The opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and some experts have slammed the government for "conceding" to Pakistan on the Balochistan issue and have contended that its mention in the joint statement is tantamount to giving credibility to Pakistan's allegations.

Manmohan Singh has, however, defended the move saying the joint statement was merely taking cognizance of what Pakistan said at the Egypt talks and stressed that India was ready to discuss the issue as it has nothing to hide.

At a meeting with senior party leaders here Friday evening, Congress president Sonia Gandhi backed the prime minister on the issue.

A recent Pakistani media report claimed that Islamabad had given to New Delhi a "dossier" about India's involvement in Balochistan during talks at Sharm-el-Sheikh. Official sources here have vehemently denied the sharing of any such dossier.

"Our hands are clean. We have nothing to hide," the sources said.

If Pakistan wants to bring up its "internal issue" in bilateral talks and internationalise Balochistan, India does not have any issue with it, the sources added.

India has nothing to do with Balochistan: Chidambaram - India - NEWS - The Times of India
 
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India has nothing to do with baluchi separatist and Pakistan has everthing to do with kashmir insurgency, indian government is doing something wrong maybe we should support the baluchis.
 
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Freedom is not free , it grows from the guns of free men . Baloch brothers and sisters , it's time to close ranks and fight Punjabi pakistani oppression and secure our freedom for our future generations . Together We Stand & Fight - Together We Win .

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PUBLIC NOTICE: All Muslim Punjabis must vacate Balochistan immediately

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KALAT, Balochistan – The crisis in Balochistan is escalating into a full-fledge “Baloch War of Independence” in Pakistani-occupied Balochistan due to the oppressive policies of the Pakistani military dictatorship of General Pervez Musharraf. The Punjabi-dominated Pakistani armed forces have launched ethnic cleansing in Balochistan against the ethnic Baloch people; they are systematically kidnapping, imprisoning and murdering Baloch nationals by the thousands.

The Baloch are resenting this Punjabi invasion and oppression, and retaliating with full vengeance. While defending themselves, the Baloch view all Muslim Punjabis in Balochistan as collaborators of the Pakistani occupying forces (which is a fair assessment regarding the role played by the majority of Punjabis in Balochistan), and henceforth, they are considered the enemies of the Baloch people.

In defense of Balochistan in this “Baloch War of Independence”, GOB (Exile) has instructed all Baloch nationals to consider any employee of the Government of Pakistan in occupied Balochistan as an enemy soldier no matter what their ethnicity (including Baloch loyalists) and engage in battle with them unless they surrender and are taken as prisoner of war. Since, the majority of the Pakistani government employees in Balochistan are Punjabis most of them are not required to wear any government-issued uniform, which may cause confusion for the Baloch soldier to differentiate government employees (enemy soldiers) from non-government employed civilians.

To minimize collateral damage and avoid civilian casualties, GOB (Exile) has issued the following Proclamation for all ethnic Punjabi Muslims in Balochistan to immediately leave Balochistan for the sake of their own safety. Due to the escalating ethnic tension created between the oppressed Baloch people and the arrogant Punjabi-dominated Government of Pakistan, the likelihood of any innocent ethnic Punjabi getting killed or injured will be increased significantly as the “Baloch War of Independence” progresses.
 

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Pak cashes in on Baloch reference?

With the reference to supposed Indian interference in Balochistan in the joint Indo-Pak statement in Sharm-el-Sheikh, Egypt -- the US media reports have suggested Islamabad is now going all out, cranking up its propaganda machinery to exploit the Baloch reference in the joint agreement.

US media reports quoting official Pakistani sources have said Pakistan army chief Ashfaq Kiyani had recently sought to link Pakistan's actions against the Lashkar-e-Toiba with India putting a stop to its alleged covert operations in Balochistan.

The report says Pakistan could use the Baloch factor to put RAW on the same footing as the ISI.

Kiyani's comments are also clearly aimed at further delaying action on the 26/11 accused and using Balochistan as a rider against New Delhi to counter the latter's repeated claims on Islamabad's softness in dealing with the Lashkar-e-Toiba and other terrorist outfits engaged in anti-India activities.

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