Indo-China War Rhetoric

[Blademaster]

What purpose would that serve ? Wouldn't defences be better judged by UAVs and the kind ?
Their frequent incursions will just reduce the reaction times.

Not really. There are some things that UAVs and the kinds cannot tell you that a Mark 1 eyeball can tell you. Besides, by noting the responses and reaction times, you can judge the effectiveness and preparedness of the Indian forces.

 

[Soham]

Not really. There are some things that UAVs and the kinds cannot tell you that a Mark 1 eyeball can tell you. Besides, by noting the responses and reaction times, you can judge the effectiveness and preparedness of the Indian forces.

Thats fine. I agree with you on the "Mark 1 eyeball."
My question is,
Wouldn't incursions on such frequent and in gradually more "un-stealthy" forms(Coming right in with their helos) just go on to reduce the reaction times of an Indian response ?

 

[Blademaster]

Thats fine. I agree with you on the "Mark 1 eyeball."
My question is,
Wouldn't incursions on such frequent and in gradually more "un-stealthy" forms(Coming right in with their helos) just go on to reduce the reaction times of an Indian response ?

Perhaps so. It is hard to know what the other side is thinking of. The only thing you can do is to speculate. I could be wrong. perhaps the pilot was a rookie and made a mistake and went back.

 

[NSG_Blackcats]

Dragon's war dance​

Brahma Chellaney
Friday, September 11, 2009

The 32-day surprise Chinese invasion in 1962 lasted longer than the 1965 and 1971 wars with Pakistan and claimed the lives of more Indian soldiers than any other aggression faced by India since Independence, with the exception of 1971. Yet the myth still being peddled internationally is that 1962 was a brief war. Today, as Chinese cross-frontier incursions grow and border tensions rise, the situation is becoming similar to the one that prevailed in the run-up to 1962. The several parallels raise the spectre of another Chinese attack. First, like in the pre-1962 period, it has become commonplace internationally to speak of India and China in the same breadth. The aim of "Mao's India war", as Harvard scholar Roderick MacFarquhar has called it, was largely political: To cut India to size by demolishing what it represented -- a democratic alternative to the Chinese autocracy.

The brute force with which Mao Zedong humiliated India helped discredit the Indian model, boost China's international image and consolidate Mao's internal power. The return of the China-India pairing decades later is something Beijing viscerally loathes. Second, the Dalai Lama's flight to India in 1959 -- and the ready sanctuary he got here -- paved the way for the Chinese military attack. Today, 50 years after his escape, the exiled Tibetan leader stands as a bigger challenge than ever for China, as underscored by Beijing's stepped-up vilification campaign against him. With Beijing now treating the Dalai Lama as its Enemy No 1, India has come under greater Chinese pressure to curb his activities and those of his government-in-exile. The continuing security clampdown in Tibet since the March 2008 Tibetan uprising parallels the harsh Chinese crackdown in Tibet during 1959-62.

Three, the present pattern of cross-frontier incursions and other border incidents, as well as new force deployments and mutual recriminations, is redolent of the situation that prevailed before the 1962 war. According to the Indian army chief, "This year, there were 21 incursions in June, 20 in July and 24 in August." Such is the rising graph of Chinese cross-border forays that such intrusions nearly doubled in two years, from 140 in 2006 to 270 in 2008. Little surprise the defence minister warned as early as April 2008 that there is "no room for complacency" along the Himalayan frontier. Four, the 1962 invasion occurred against the backdrop of China instigating and arming insurgents in India's northeast. Although such activities ceased after Mao's death in 1976, China seems to be coming full circle today, with Chinese-made arms increasingly flowing into guerrilla ranks in northeastern India, including via Burma.

India has taken up this matter with Beijing at the foreign minister-level. Indeed, Pakistan-based terrorists targeting India now rely on Chinese arms -- from the AK-56 assault rifles to the Type 86 grenades made by China's state-owned Norinco firm. To add to India's woes, Beijing has blocked efforts to get the United Nations to designate as a terrorist the Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Muhammad group chief, Masood Azhar. Five, then-prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru's slogan, "Hindi-Chini bhai bhai" (Indians and Chinese are brothers), is today matched by the "Chindia" concept, which -- disregarding the rivalry and antagonisms -- blends the two Asian giants together. Sixth, just as India had retreated to a defensive position in the border negotiations with Beijing in the early 1960s after having undermined its leverage by accepting the 'Tibet region of China' through the 1954 Panchsheel Agreement, New Delhi similarly has been left in the unenviable position today of having to fend off Chinese territorial demands.

Whatever leverage India still had on the Tibet issue was surrendered in 2003 when it shifted its position from Tibet being an 'autonomous' region within China to it being 'part of the territory of the People's Republic of China'. Little surprise, the spotlight now is on China's Tibet-linked claim to Arunachal Pradesh than on Tibet's status itself. That explains why Beijing invested so much political capital over the years in getting India to gradually accept Tibet as part of China. Its success on that score narrows the dispute to what it claims today. The issue in 1962 was Aksai Chin; the issue now is Arunachal, particularly Tawang. But had Beijing really believed Tawang was part of Tibet and hence belonged to China, the Chinese military would have held on to that critical corridor after its capture in 1962, just as it kept the territorial gains of that war in Ladakh. With India in serious danger of sliding into a 1962-type dragon trap, the country needs high-quality statecraft to handle the present situation and ensure the nation is not again told what Nehru stated the day China attacked -- that Beijing returned "evil for good".

Brahma Chellaney is professor at Centre for Policy Research in New Delhi

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[Yusuf]

Such articles will help if it reaches the corridors of power. Mr Chellany is a respected figure in strategic circles.
More than anything else, India has to improve it's infrastructure near thr border to male sure troops and supplies can be dispatched fast and easily.
Second, India has to dig the Tibet card out and play it. If India were to declare it's support for Tibet and internationalize it now, I'm sure we would find a lot of support in the world. Use that as a bargaining chip.

India has to call the Chinese bluff and force the issue. China prides on it's economy right mow. A war will he too costly for it at this stage. Tibet can be the ice breaker. Indian leaders have to stop being sissy and play hard ball.

 

[prashant2a]

LEH (J&K): The Chinese army has done some construction activities along the international border across Karakoram ranges in Ladakh sector for
the first time since the 1962 stand-off between the two countries with a report of Jammu and Kashmir government saying that they have been taking "land in inches and not in yards".

The Chinese Army - PLA - has been engaged in construction activities across the Karakoram ranges which could be used for either stationing of additional personnel or mounting a camera for monitoring Indian troop movement, official sources said.

The Karakoram pass falls precisely on the boundary between India and China's Xinjiang Autonomous Region, marking northern end of Sino-Indian border, known as the Line of Actual Control.

It also plays a major geographic role in the dispute between Pakistan and India over control of the Siachen Glacier area immediately to the west of the pass.

This situation arose from the Simla Agreement, signed in 1972 between India and Pakistan, when the treaty failed to specify the last 100 km of ceasefire line from end of the Line of Control to Karakoram Pass. The West of the Pass is also referred as China-Indian-Pakistani tripoint.

While Army tried to downplay this development, they, however acknowledged that some digging activity had been noticed. "There has been no report of concrete huts being built across Karakoram Pass. However, some digging has been noticed well inside Chinese territory," an Army spokesman said in a written reply to PTI.

In a related development, the report of Jammu and Kashmir government highlights the Chinese incursions into various parts of Ladakh.

"They (Chinese) have threatened the nomadic people who had been using Dokbug area (in Ladakh sector) area for grazing since decades long, in a way to snatch our land in inches. A Chinese proverb is famous in the world - better do in inches than in yards," the report filed by a former Sub Divisional Magistrate (Nyoma) Tsering Norboo said.

Norboo had been deputed by the state government to probe incursion of Chinese Army in Dokbug area and threatening the local shepherds to leave the land as it belonged to them. The area has been used by the shepherds to graze their livestock as the area is warmer compared to other parts of Ladakh.

The SDM pointed out that it was another attempt by Chinese to claim the territory as disputed in the same fashion as they had taken Nag Tsang area opposite to Phuktse airfield in 1984, Nakung in 1991 and Lungma-Serding in 1992.

 

[Sridhar]

^^^^^^[mod] Post the Link for the above news [/mod]

 

[ajay_ijn]

Such articles will help if it reaches the corridors of power. Mr Chellany is a respected figure in strategic circles.
More than anything else, India has to improve it's infrastructure near thr border to male sure troops and supplies can be dispatched fast and easily.
Second, India has to dig the Tibet card out and play it. If India were to declare it's support for Tibet and internationalize it now, I'm sure we would find a lot of support in the world. Use that as a bargaining chip.

India has to call the Chinese bluff and force the issue. China prides on it's economy right mow. A war will he too costly for it at this stage. Tibet can be the ice breaker. Indian leaders have to stop being sissy and play hard ball.

although offtopic,Yusuf don't you think Indian leaders don't play hardball and play sissy because they simply don't care.

Most of Indian voters care much more about jobs, prices, public services, development than what happens at sparely populated border with China. Most poor n remote rural india would not even know that we have border dispute with China.

forget China, let us take the mumbai blast . Most public would talk about for few days and few weeks, angry with govt, shocked to see those images. a month later, people again are back to the normal. They would worry about road accidents or life threatening diseases than death or injury due to terrorist incidents.

Many say people give knee jerk reaction to such incidents. But the reaction is because majority of people have many other things to worry about. Nobody would make dispute with China as an election issue except for may be sparesly populated Arunachal. Even disputes with Pakistan matters only during J&K elections.

Even much of educated middle class don't think that they are influenced or effected by these disputes, relations in some or the other way in very long term.

How many votes Congress would have lost by playing sissy and how many votes BJP has gained by promising that they will play hardball.

 

[mattster]

Chinese Bullying around the border will never stop until...

This never ending Chinese bullying on the border is a low-level, low-risk, high reward(in terms of pyschological gain) tactic that humiliates the Indian Government and the Indian People without any major international repercussions for China.

It allows the Chinese to increase their leverage against India in other areas of negiotiation like the Dalai Lama's activities, and it also humiliates the Indian government in the eyes of its own people since the government is impotent to stop it, or even challenge these incursions.

This will never stop until India has a robust nuclear deterrent that is aimed squarely at China. This will include a strong submarine based nuclear deterrent. Its not that India and China will ever go to a nuclear war with each other, but the implicit threat of a conventional border war getting out of control with a country that has a strong nuclear deterrent is too great and could devastate the Chinese economy. Its the MAD strategy.

The international pressure would be enormous if India & China got into a short conventional border war, provided that India's submarine & land based nuclear deterrent was indisputable. The Chinese being the pragmatists that they are will quickly stop all border incursions.

I am sure the Chinese have land disputes with many countries including Russia, Japan....but they know they cant f*ck with the Russians. For that matter, they wont even screw with the Japanese, because Japan is under the US protective defense umbrella. The Chinese will only screw with countries that are significantly weaker than them.

The spineless nature of Indian policy makers for the past 40 years has costed India big-time. They should have closed the gap in both ballistic missile technology and nuclear weapons with China. They should be going all out to accomplish this regardless of the cost...even if they have to beg, borrow, or steal the technology.

Past Indian leaders lacked the will & foresight to push hard for what is necessary, and that is why India is getting bullied by China and even Pakistan. Every other day you read of a border incursions in the paper.

 

[ajay_ijn]

The spineless nature of Indian policy makers for the past 40 years has costed India big-time. They should have closed the gap in both ballistic missile technology and nuclear weapons with China. They should be going all out to accomplish this regardless of the cost...even if they have to beg, borrow, or steal the technology.

when it comes to WMD, I think indian policy makers spineless nature is because of US pressure. Indian policy makers are even more spineless to US pressure because they do not dare to offend a sole superpower and think the longterm loss of having bad relations with US will be more costly than not closing gap with China in case of WMDs.

But i do not see direct or indirect relation between WMDs & border incursions. I dunno how it matters, India may be having more WMDs & superior military compared to Pakistan but that didn't stop Pakistan from sending terrorists every other time in border
and I should underline that every incursion terrorist make does many times more damage to Indias longterm security than chinese incursion.

So conventional military or WMD don't seem to matter much, what is required is probably only political will which should be created with kind of public pressure.

I also feel that China or Pakistan simply don't fear war (even nuclear). There is no other way that one can explain such things.

if they deliberately pushed India and if India reacted, they are probably ready to take on India in open battlefield.


what would Pakistan have done if India began full scale war in Kargil and launch large scale attack in some other sector. Muharraf probably thought that even if Pakistan lost, they will turn Pakistan into another Afghanistan with mujahideen, tribal force and bleed and frustrate Indian Army.

similar situation in Parliament attack and standoff between India-Pak. Pakistan was fully ready for nuclear exchange while India was not. if at all Pakistan feared nuclear war, they would have cracked down on LeT, ISI and terrorist attacks in India or incursions into J&K later wouldn't have taken place.

China is probably testing how long can India remain patient and not get pissed off. It seems be they themselves would get be pissed because of no reaction from Indian leaders.

 

[mattster]

But i do not see direct or indirect relation between WMDs & border incursions. I dunno how it matters, India may be having more WMDs & superior military compared to Pakistan but that didn't Pakistan from sending terrorists every other time in border
and I should underline that every incursion terrorist make does many times more damage to Indias longterm security than chinese incursion.

The Pak example is exactly the reason that India should have robust WMD programme. If Pakistan did not have nuclear weapons; I guarantee you that India would have conducted surgical air strikes against Pakistan immediately after 26/11 mumbai incident.

India could not punish Pakistan because they know they could not afford a war with a nuclear Pakistan. That is why the Israelis always conduct surgical strikes against any pending nuclear program in their neighbourhood. They recently(last year) attached a Syrian facilty that was not even reported in the Syrian Press. They know that if any of their Arab neighbours get nuclear weapons - then the whole equation changes.

Pakistan is a rogue state that is willing to take great risks and damage its reputation severely in order to give India a bloody noose. Most responsible countries will not take the risks that Pakistan takes.....but at the end of the day, they know that their nuclear program gives them insurance against any strong Indian retaliation.

 

[Yusuf]

Ajay,
National security is not understood by all and that's why it's not an election issue.
Many are just pretenders.

National security is not even handled by the politicians who are just rubber stamps but conducted by the babus in the foreign office.
But the politicians are just scared about the after effects of war and that makes them sissy.
National security cannot be compromised at any cost and the babus in charge have to start thinking.

 

[IBRIS]

ITBP jawans injured in China border shootout

KOLKATA/GUWAHATI: Simmering tensions along the mountainous frontier with China appear to have become serious with a revelation that two jawans of
the Indo-Tibetan Border Police, the sentinel force along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), were injured in bullets fired from the Chinese side.

The firing in an area identified as Kerang in northern Sikkim took place a fortnight ago but has been kept under wraps. It was confirmed on Monday by a highly-placed intelligence source, who is not authorised to give information to the media. ITBP officials at its headquarters in New Delhi declined to confirm the incident.

It was the first incidents where bullets have been fired since the landmark 1996 Sino-India agreement in which both sides pledged not to open fire, no matter what the provocation, as a part of confidence-building measures.

Sources cite this as yet another instance of China's maintaining pressure on the 2.1 sq km area of `Finger Tip' in northern Sikkim. Last year, China had sent a vehicle-mounted patrol into this area, penetrating 1 km into Indian territory. The Kerang shootout prompted an unscheduled border personnel meeting on August 30.

Also last week, the entire situation along the LAC was reviewed in a war game by the Eastern Command top brass in Kolkata's Fort William, Eastern Command HQs, in the presence of Army chief General Deepak Kapoor.

Violations aren't new but have rarely involved casualties. What is alarming is the report of shooting along the LAC which has remained peaceful for decades since the Chinese invasion of 1962.

At Asaphila in Upper Subansiri Division of Arunachal Pradesh, for instance, a contingent of 22 Chinese troops had intercepted an armed Indian patrol of two policemen, three porters and five Special Service Bureau personnel in June 2003, disarmed them and returned them to the Indian Army.

In contrast, the Kerang incident could be a significant and dangerous deviation from the practice of talks before bullets.

Despite ceremonial border personnel meetings (BPMs) at Nathu La in Sikkim and Bum La and Kibithu in Arunachal, Chinese troops continue to violate the LAC with brazen regularity.

According to Army sources, People's Liberation Army patrols have been sighted crossing over the LAC six times since January this year -- four times in Upper Subansiri district in June and July, and twice in Lohit district in January. A Chinese post continues to occupy Sumdorong Chu valley since 1986.

The situation has been worsened by the fact that the border is unguarded at some places in Arunachal Pradesh, mainly due to inhospitable terrain marked by high mountains and hostile weather throughout the year. At some locations there are no field units on either side. There is no deployment of Indian forces in at least one district, the backward Kurung Kumey (Tawang's neighbour).

Such forays by Chinese troops have left the population near the LAC insecure. "Chinese patrols encroached into my district in June and July,'' said Upper Subansiri deputy commissioner H G Shalla.

Western Arunachal Pradesh MP Takam Sanjay -- whose constituency has many areas where Chinese incursions have happened -- said the local people felt unsafe. "People of Arunachal do not want to face 1962 all over again,'' he said. He has taken up with the Centre the issue of securing the border. "It seems, somewhere we have lost involvement.''

Indian troops on the LAC have even sighted Chinese grazers and fishermen crossing over and pushed them back, say sources. Bhutan, too, faces the same problem. People from Tibet cross over in search of medicinal herbs.

According to Army sources, there is no PLA build-up across the border, but what worries the Indian top brass is the definite edge the Chinese have in terms of infrastructure, particularly road communication. Because of this, they can move reinforcements to the LAC at a short notice, which is difficult for India. In Asaphila, the last road on the Indian side ends 50 km away from the LAC.

Political leaders from Arunachal, like former MP Kiren Rijiju, have been vocal against the Indian policy of not developing infrastructure on the border for fear the Chinese would use them in case of a war. He has described this as a "defensive policy''. Sanjay, however, said that with prime minister Manmohan Singh granting Rs 24,000 crore to Arunachal for infrastructure development, the situation is set to change.

One of the most important projects is the construction of the trans-Arunachal highway, connecting Tawang with Changlang district. It is learnt that the Cabinet committee on infrastructure has given approval for bidding for two sections of this highway.
ITBP jawans injured in China border shootout - India - NEWS - The Times of India

 

[IBRIS]

India is beefing up China border defences

New Delhi: A massive upgrade of infrastructure and military capabilities is under way along the disputed India-China border in a bid to be prepared for any misadventures from the other side.

To this end, a huge jump in military strength along the border is under way. While a decision to locate Sukhoi-30 fighters at Tezpur from June 2009 has already been announced, the Indian Air Force (IAF) may also beef up its presence in the Chabua airbase and maintain heli-lift capabilities in other parts of the north-east.

For decades since the 1962 war, India had officially decided not to develop its border with China fearing that it would provide easy access to invading Chinese troops. A few years ago, that policy was junked and India plunged into an aggressive development of its border infrastructure.

It is now reactivating several airstrips built during World War II or the 1962 war and abandoned later. On May 31 this year, the IAF reactivated the world's highest airstrip, at Daulat Beg Oldie in Ladakh, originally built during the 1962 Sino-Indian war. The strip, close to the Karakoram pass, is capable of landing AN-32 transport aircraft.

Several other advanced landing grounds, such as Fukche, Chushul and Nyama have also been made functional. "The logistics disasters of 1962 will never be repeated," says an air force officer, referring to India's inability at the time to provide support to its army in the
frontlines.

India has also been trying to quickly catch up with China in building all-weather connectivity almost up to the last post, essential for a strong response to any Chinese misadventure, say many within the military leadership. "They are much ahead
of us in infrastructure, but we are fast catching up," said a military source. A large network of roads is also being built; over 30 major new road links are in progress, besides several smaller strips.

In the north-east, the army is raising two divisions, with 15,000to 30,000 soldiers. They would add strength to the defence of the Arunachal Pradesh border, especially Tawang, which China is very keen to reclaim.

"We did exhibit our ability to carry out swift beefing-up of deployment during Operation Falcon in 1986-87," says a senior army officer. Operation Falcon refers to India's troop movement during the standoff with China at Sumdorong Chu. raising the country's third artillery division along the northeast border, with Bofors howitzers and indigenously manufactured Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers.

The absence of noise from the military leadership on the alleged Chinese incursions is because India wants to be discreet about its build-up, so as not to spark off any unnecessary complications between the Asian giants.

Military leaders also insist that though India may not match up to China in numbers, it is capable of responding well in the event of a major skirmish. "We are not the army of 1962. We have a competent presence, and technologically we are superior on many fronts," says a former commander of an army corps deployed along the northeast, an opinion shared by many senior army officers.

"I don't frankly see any change in the situation along the border. But, hypothetically, if it came to a military confrontation, we are confident of our capabilities," a senior officer in the army headquarters said.

India is beefing up China border defences - dnaindia.com

 

[IBRIS]

'Chinese Army entering Indian territory in civil dress'

New Delhi, September 14:
Uttarakhand Chief Minister Ramesh Pokhriyal on Monday demanded the formation of a new Mountain Security Force on the lines of the Coast Guards to maintain security on borders along the mountains.


Pokhriayal said: "I demand the formation of a Mountain Security Force for guarding the borders along the mountains, on the lines of the Coast Guard."

His demand came days after he revealed that the Uttarakhand Government had mentioned that the Chinese were entering Indian territory in the state.

"I mentioned this matter with Prime Minister during the Chief Minister's conference on internal security," Pokhriyal said.

"The Chinese are taking advantage of our traditional trade relations with the Tibet, and they have entered Indian territory in civil dress again and again, using the traditional trade routes linked with Tibet," Pokhriyal said.

Uttarakhand shares a 2,75 kilometre-long mountain border with China and 250 kilometre long border with Nepal.

India has two exclusive border guarding forces - the Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB) and the Indo-Tibet Border Police (ITBP) for the security along the Indo-China and Indo- Tibet borders respectively.




On Sunday Pokhriyal, quoting reports from locals in Rimkhim in Chamoli district, of Uttarakhand said the Chinese had entered the state on September 5 and left behind biscuit packet wrappers and cigarettes.
Chinese Army entering Indian territory in civil dress

 

[masterofsea]

A defeated war and controllable internal unrest are good for China.China need a defeated war badly.Too many people are indulging in the present prosperity and forgot the resurgence mission of China.

 

[Sridhar]

After Ladakh, China opens fire along Sikkim border: Report

Updated on Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 09:59 IST ​

Tags:China, Sikkim border, Firing
​

Zeenews Bureau

New Delhi: Amid rising number of instances of Chinese incursions into the Indian territory, a media report on Tuesday claimed that two ITBP jawans were injured in firing from across the Chinese side along the Indo-China border in Sikkim.

However, government sources in New Delhi told a news channel that no jawan of the Indo-Tibetan Border Police has sustained bullet injuries in the border firing that never took place.

A report that appeared today in a leading national daily had claimed that the firing took place in an area identified as Kerang in northern Sikkim. The newspaper claimed that the incident happened some 15 days back and has been kept under wraps.

Following the Kerang shootout, border personnel held an emergency meeting on August 30, the report further claimed.

The incident was confirmed to the daily yesterday by a top intelligence source.

While the government has refuted the report, officials at the ITBP headquarters in New Delhi refused to comment on the incident.

If it is confirmed that the incident did take place, it would be the first instance where firing has taken place along the Indo-China border since the 1996 bilateral agreement pledging not to open fire, no matter what the provocation, as a part of confidence-building measures.

Analysts see the latest incident as Beijing’s bid to maintain pressure on the 2.1 sq km area of ‘Finger Tip’ in northern Sikkim. Last year, a Chinese vehicle had patrolled into this area, entering as deep as one kilometre into the Indian territory.

The Sikkim incident comes on the heels of reported Chinese incursions into the Indian territory in Leh and Ladakh. A Jammu and Kashmir government report also claimed that Beijing was carrying out construction work along the International Border in Karakoram Ranges.

China has however officially denied any breach of the Indo-China border of the Line of Actual Control.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing yesterday denied reports of Chinese airspace violations and incursions in border areas. A team of the ministry officials also met Indian media representatives based in Beijing to convey a message, that India is China’s partner and not a rival.

“China does not pose any threat to India. For us, the biggest task is to develop ourselves so that 1.3 billion people can lead a good life. I don’t think it’s logical to say that when a country grows strong it will bully others,” said Sun Weidong, deputy director-general of the ministry’s Asian department.

“It’s in China’s interest to have a prosperous neighbour,” said Sun adding “both are developing nations, both need a peaceful surrounding environment.”

After Ladakh, China opens fire along Sikkim border: Report

 

[Sridhar]

Indian Army seeks lifting of border patrol restrictions

(TibetanReview.net, Sep15, 2009) With Chinese border incursions becoming ever more frequent and aggressive, the Indian Army is pushing for a rethink on its own patrolling restrictions in certain “sensitive areas” of the Line of Actual Control along the border of Chinese occupied Tibet, according to the Indian Express newspaper Sep 13. It said the restrictions, imposed by the China Study Group (CSG) many years ago, prevents Indian troops from going up as close as possible to India’s claim line in certain areas where Chinese incursions have increased of late.

The CSG, made up of the secretaries from Defence, Foreign and Home ministries, besides the two intelligence heads, had in the past placed restrictions on the Indian Army in certain areas of the LAC so as to avoid any confrontation or clashes with Chinese troops. These reportedly relate roughly to 10-odd areas in the Western Sector of the LAC in Ladakh, almost the entire Central Sector which includes Sikkim and about four areas in the Eastern Sector where perceptions vary and are hence, “sensitive”.

The current restrictions prevent the Indian Army from going right up to the front while China has imposed no such restrictions on its Army on occupied Tibet’s side.

The report said that about three months back, the CSG is had relaxed a few restrictions, given the heightened Chinese activity in Sikkim but that the military was clearly not satisfied and now wanted complete lifting of restrictions.

The relaxation includes the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) being allowed to carry out an occasional patrol in many of these sensitive areas but with strict instructions not to provoke. In fact, in some areas of Sikkim, the ITBP personnel are asked to go without weapons to prevent provocation, the report said.


Indian Army seeks lifting of border patrol restrictions - Tibetan Review

 

[ppgj]

But i do not see direct or indirect relation between WMDs & border incursions. I dunno how it matters, India may be having more WMDs & superior military compared to Pakistan but that didn't stop Pakistan from sending terrorists

don't forget-that did not even stop pakistan from doing KARGIL.

 

[AJSINGH]

after reading all these post ,one thing came in my mind.actually it was a news article i read few days back
it says that USA and Tiwan are on China radar,not India