Discussion in 'Politics & Society' started by Bornubus, Nov 19, 2017.
PV Narasimha Rao>>>>>>>>> Modi and Indira.
the original and true Hindu hriday samrat.
I prefer that Iron Lady to the other one ! Indira Gandhi is a legend. Same class as JFK .
On a side note, I had the curiosity of looking at old videos from French television and was totally bluffed by her fluent French .
Narasimha Rao was literate in 16 languages.
Popularly known as the Iron Lady of India, Indira Gandhi earned a formidable reputation across the globe as a ‘statesman’. Her sheer sense of politics and exceptional skills catapulted her position in the Indian politics, so much so that she went on to become the first woman elected to head a democratic country. Till date, she is the only woman to hold the office. Born in a politically influential dynasty and growing in an intense political atmosphere, Indira Gandhi had learned the trick of the trade quite early in life. She possessed an authoritarian streak and became the central figure of the Indian National Congress party, post her father’s death. She was known for her political ruthlessness and extraordinary centralization of power. It was during her premiership that India became the regional power in South Asia with considerable political, economic, and military clout. She also presided over a state of emergency and made considerable changes to the Indian Constitution. She used the army to resolve numerous internal disputes and encouraged a culture of sycophancy and nepotism, due to which she rubbed many Indians on the wrong side. Gandhi initialized the Operation Blue Star, which gave her a critical reputation and eventually scripted her assassination.
Whether or not what people say about her , she might have been a Modi-like figure in her days. She had both lovers and haters. Though people will say many things about her now , criticizing some of her policies and ideals , she had been a true "Iron Lady" , a nation like India deserved making India a regional power.
All legendary figures are controversial. There are lovers, there are haters. But no one stays indifferent and that is how legend survives !
The entire Gandhi family has been nothing but a curse for India. The Gandhis are descendants of Parsis and Muslims. They were the ones responsible for the death of Netaji.
On Indira Gandhi, she could only be praised for the 71 Bangladeshi liberation war. She did not have much power to keep the captured territories as India was not a global superpower at that time.
Actually Indira Gandhi led India hardly had the global political clout to keep the captured Pakistani territories. Infact in each Indo-Pak war we could have annexed Pakistan but the fear of international repercussion,mainly from Big Brother US prevented that. If Indira had kept the territories the US would have threatened war.
Actually, this quote has been attributed to many people. Who originally said it?
Indira Gandhi? Dwight Morrow? Harold Nicolson? Father Kemper? Motilal Nehru? Anonymous?
I recall one story, which is hearsay, that Indira Gandhi visited the Puri Temple and one of the priests threw a rock at her.
Up until that point, Indira Gandhi was a lady-like person. However, after being hit with a rock, she transformed herself into a no-nonsense personality. She never took a no for an answer, except in one occasion, and this was during the 1971/72 war.
There was one person, a real professional soldier, who resisted her demands. That is Maneckshaw. He stood up to her demands that were untenable. A good general knows when to fight, when to wait, and when to stand up to political pressure.
P.S.: Nobody in the Indian Army gets the highest rank. There are only two exceptions: Cariappa and Maneckshaw.
Indira Gandhi gets credit for securing diplomatic and military backing from the USSR before a war which pitted India not only against Pakistan, but also PRC and the USA.
We keep these territories for almost a year ,there was uncertainty if we ever giveup... where was bigdaddy US ?
This is a myth that propagate by congi media houses to justify the step taken by IG ..
We don't condemn her for reversing partition and gone full anschuluss to capture whole Pak or lahore-Sialkot ..bla bla bla ..she made utter blunder in J&K.
LOC was't establish by then , changing border in J&K was't change in international border , we gain turtuk, nengitakri ...but our media and congitard never mention that we lose Chamb too ..as paki army capture those area even in 10 day war...if possible paki will surely went for whole state ...but our beloved IG let them have it ..why ?
There are many theories , don't need to visit them as we loss the golden opportunity ,which appear once ina century ...
And about that USA/USSR drama , We almost capture Lahore but US was nowhere to save it's CENTO partner ,US like all player in geo-politics is negotiable if u ready compromise ...and if for that important strategic location if we have to change side ..then it's worth it .
Do you have sources for that? The PoWs were released after a year in 1972, did we also have territories till later 1972?
It's even in wiki page with links...
Actually India could not keep the territories. They only occupied the regions,however prolonged occupation would have had repercussions.
In Kargil War why did the BJP led govt back down from annexing Pakistan despite having the means to do so ?
As I have stated in each and every Indo-Pak war we could have annexed Pakistan but global powers do not want an Akhand Bharat or the anschluss of Pak into India as you have put it.
Indira Gandhi was a whore woman who slept with Babas,Muslims and Parsis alike. Sanjay Gandhi was an illegitimate son of hers by a Muslim.
Pakistan continue to have "occupied territory" for more than 70 years and running and thats too well accepted in world , nobody give a damn to our whole J&k map , POK to almost whole world is AJK/GB ....The land where u can send ur soldier is ur territory and ur region ..thats it.
AVB did similar blunder , but keep in the mind that IG 's one is bigger , because even after capturing kargil , to capture POK he need to "approve another war" in POK .
And now think about IG , she had 93000 enemy soldier ,the presurre in Pakistan to civil govt is high from family and press ,from everything we don't know that land hungry Paki regime might not accept land against POW deal , but she did't even try ....
many medi shows that we give up on it as international pressure eventually force us to send them back to Pak...hahahah ..why not send them back to bangladesh instead ?
Fact is even she regrets it , thats why she later approve many brave decision liek OP meghdoot , etc ...but the oportunity is lost...even Congimedia knows that too...thats why shameless attempt everywhere to defend Simla agg...
@Willy2 say a hypotheical situation where a war happens now and we capture sindh and POK. Would we be able to keep it? Now taking account of the military but geopolitics.
In modern standard of fast 2 week war , we can't capture POK ..though it's possible to capture large chunk of Sindh and then trade it with POK...offtopic anyway...she made that blunder , invoking Punjab insurgency for political gain is bigger crime from her,
Indira gandhi was in the top three of Indian leaders since British occupation ended.
She was clearly not stupid and had more courage than any Indian leader since including vajpayee
I rate her second behind Modi and far ahead of vajpayee and Rao
Both Thatcher and Indira Gandhi did their higher studies at Somerville College, Oxford University,which was then an all-female institution. Indira did a history degree,which she didn't complete.
Thatcher did a chemistry degree, during World War 2 ,and did her fourth year chemistry dissertation,under Dorothy Hodgkin,who later went on to win a Nobel Prize in Chemistry,. She later went on to train as a barrister,at the Inns of Court. I think there have been British prime ministers,with better academic records than Thatcher,but this combination of scientific and legal training ,is quite unusual -for politicians in the UK,at least.
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Any idea why she didn't take back PoK? Did it have no strategic value at that time?
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