Indigenous Next Generation Anti Radiation Missile Thread

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    India To Test Anti-Radiation Missile On Su-30MKI
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    India’s Defense Research Development Organization (DRDO) scientists will test prototypes of indigenous new generation anti-radiation missile (NGARM) for captive flight trials on Su-30 MKI aircraft to validate its seeker, structural integrity, navigation and control system, and aerodynamic capability in June.

    “India’s DRDO scientists will undertake ground testing of NGARM in April and will develop two prototypes by June,” Defense News quoted unnamed officials as saying Thursday.

    The Indian Air Force (IAF) has raised objections to the NGARM which is under development. The 60-km-range NGARM is too bulky, IAF officials said.

    DRDO is developing NGARM for the service's Mirage-2000H, Jaguar, Su-30 MKI and the upcoming Light Combat Aircraft.

    "NGARM being developed by DRDO weighs around 140 kilograms and is too heavy, whereas IAF wants only such missiles that do not weigh over 100 kg; this one will not meet our requirement," said a senior Air Force official.

    "DRDO has never kept us in the loop about this missile, and we are not sure if we will at all use it," the IAF official said, adding, "Infrared radiation seeker technology from Russia will make it too bulky."

    However, one DRDO scientist said the missile should meet all Air Force fighter requirements: "We will make sure it is proven successful."

    He claimed that NGARM is largely an indigenous missile. But one DRDO source said the agency could not develop the missile on its own and that DRDO has sought help from Russia for seeker technology.

    NGARM's broadband seeker is able to pick up radiation or signals emitted by radars and communication systems, home onto the target and destroy the network.

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    IAF’s says DRDO’s Anti-radiation Missile (ARM) is Bulky but open to heavier foreign import

    What could fall into the classic case of ” Ghar ki murgi dal barabar” which roughly translates into ” Personel possession are always undermined and other’s possessions seem better”, according to report prepared by defensenews.com IAF has flagged indigenous developed new generation anti-radiation missile (NGARM) as too bulky?

    DRDO developed NGARM is a tactical Anti-radiation Missile (ARM) which is a 100km ranged missile which picks up radiation or signals emitted by radars and communication systems, homes on to the target and destroys the network.

    According to the report missile weights 140kg which IAF feels is too heavy to be used on all fighter jets currently in Indian Air force and lambasted DRDO for not keeping Indian Air force in the loop about technical features of the missile and wanted missiles ideal weight around 100kg. ARM which was under development for last 4-5 years likely will be test fired in next few weeks.

    Reports blame Russian provided infrared radiation seeker technology which makes the missile bulky. DRDO is reading two prototypes of NGARM which will be integrated with IAF’s Sukhoi-30 MKI by June to begin its Captive flight trials before it can commence developmental trials later in the year.

    The report also mentions that Indian Air Force also is negotiating to buy AGM 88 missiles from the US and plans to induct more than 1,500 in the next five years. The irony is that AGM-88 High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM) which IAF wants to acquire weighs more than 355 kilograms and at present Anglo-French Martel anti-radiation missile (ARM) used by IAF on its Jaguar Ground strike fighters weighs 550 kg.

    Other Similar Anti-radiation Missiles (ARM) like British ALARM (Air Launched Anti-Radiation Missile) weighs 268 kilograms, Brazilian MAR-1 ARM weighs 350 kg all much heavier than DRDO developed NGARM.

    NGARM is a single-stage, solid-fueled system which will be using dual-pulse propulsion system instead of thrust propulsion and missile’s front-end comprises a sensor to pick up various radio frequencies.

    Defence Analyst Ranesh Rajan speaking to idrw.org added that ” if NGARM ARM really does weigh 140kgs than it can be carried by LCA-Tejas has earlier promised by DRDO”, while it was still under design stage few years back recollected Rajan.
     
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    Indian Air Force Says Indigenous New Generation Anti-Radiation Missile Will Be Too Heavy
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    by Vivek Raghuvanshi

    NEW DELHI — India's Air Force has raised objections to the indigenous new generation anti-radiation missile (NGARM) currently in development.

    The 60-kilometer-range NGARM, developed by state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), will undertake flight trials in three months but Indian Air Force (IAF) officials say the missile is too bulky.

    DRDO is developing NGARM for the service's Mirage-2000H, Jaguar, Su-30 MKI and the upcoming Light Combat Aircraft.

    "NGARM being developed by DRDO weighs around 140 kilograms and is too heavy, whereas IAF wants only such missiles that do not weigh over 100 kilograms; this one will not meet our requirement," said a senior Air Force official.

    "DRDO has never kept us in the loop about this missile, and we are not sure if we will at all use it," the IAF official said, adding, "infrared radiation seeker technology from Russia will make it too bulky."

    However, one DRDO scientist said the missile should meet all Air Force fighter requirements: "We will make sure it is proven successful." He claimed that NGARM is largely an indigenous missile. But one DRDO source said the agency could not develop the missile on its own and that DRDO has sought help from Russia for seeker technology.

    NGARM's broadband seeker is able to pick up radiation or signals emitted by radars and communication systems, home onto the target and destroy the network.

    DRDO scientists will undertake ground testing of NGARM next month and by June two prototypes will be ready for captive flight trials on Su-30 MKI aircraft to validate its seeker, structural integrity, navigation and control system, and aerodynamic capability, officials said.

    DRDO for the first time is using a dual-pulse propulsion system instead of thrust propulsion for the NGARM, said a DRDO scientist.

    NGARM is a single-stage, solid-fueled system and is expected to be ready for induction in the next three years. It will be produced jointly by state-owned Bharat Dynamics and Bharat Electronics.

    NGARM will carry sensors and an RF seeker in its head, and a fixed antenna on its nose to detect radar by tracking its electro-magnetic radiation.

    Currently the Air Force equips its Su-30 MKI fighters with the Russian Kh 35 missile, and uses the French Martel anti-radiation missile on its Jaguar and Mirage aircraft.

    The Air Force also is negotiating to buy AGM 88 missiles from the US and plans to induct more than 1,500 in the next five years. Alongside NGARM, DRDO is also planning to develop a ground-based anti-radiation missile to be launched from a mobile launcher but no details have been made public.

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    Guys, this is extreme level of stupidity.
    IAF says its too heavy

    Yet
    all missiles of this class has almost same weight as that of it.
    Really, IAF is a mere import hungry Air Force.
    :frusty:
     
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    that sh!t article already get criticized by fake inputs.
     
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    Blame the article writer not the IAF
     
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    This is a shitty propaganda article!!
    Author is heavily constipated!
     
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    Why? 140kg anti radiation missile with 100-125km range.
    What's wrong that IAF denied. o_O
     
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    You mean IAF never gave contrary view to NGARM! So was it just a fake article?
     
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    Hats off to DRDO if they could really come up with an ARM weighing mere 140 KG. AFAIK only 122 Sidearm was the only one within this weight category. But again it was not accurate. So I would be not surprised if the weight does comes near to 200KG.
     
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    its just the first of its kind the send one might me 200-240 KG with 60 KG warhead and 100 mile/160+ KM range with an israeli seeker and daul pulse motor
     
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    Most likely. But the report make me think, do our media really know what is weapon development and logic and knacks behind it? It seems all of these reporters and writers are serious Star War franchisee fan :hail:.
    And god save us if something like this really did came out from the mouth of any IAF personel.
     
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    There must be some thing more to it otherwise IAF would have not rejected it but if weight is the only reason then some clean up in IAF must done to get rid of the lobbyist.
     
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    Let us not worry about such articles.

    It seems misleading.

    We should never believe articles with anonymous sources.

    Let information come from official sources.
     
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    I believe we have foreign anti radiation missiles? An Israeli one and a glide bomb from France?


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    I think they got it mixed up , IAF may be talking about weight of the seeker . Why do I think DRDO is going to use the broad band 9B-7735K passive seeker of Kh-58UShK which weighs around 148 kgs which can work in the 1.2-11 GHz region making it an overkill anti radiation missile mostly used for destroying ABM systems which work in multiple bands.
    DRDO should keep the seeker weight under 100 kgs . Seriously if they are using the 9B-7735K passive seeker of Kh-58UShK against Pak will be overkill .
     
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    IAF and HAL again on opposite sides.
     
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    When it comes to PAK there is nothing like overill, Rather i might say .. kill it a few more times just for good measure
     
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    Let us have this one tested, but also inform DRDO/HAL about what is expected for future, and then let us go for the better designed one later. IF we are say not using any ARM, a heavy indigenous one is better than not having anything
     
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    But who gonna tell this to IAF.
    Because indigenous isn't heavy. ARMs of this class and range aren't lighter than 150kg but it's just 140kg.
    Meanwhile IAF is demanding for foreign missiles which are heavier. :frusty:
    NGARM could be proved great success like Akash but first I wish government to control imports of IAF, meanwhile IA and IN are expanding power with indigenization and IAF is just jumping here and there for foreign stuff when private Co's and state governments are ready with huge money to invest in aerospace.
     
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